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Site lagged posted too manyWhere did you get the "Per Pump" confirmation? The label only states "Pumps per Bottle 130", not any type of "serving size" ml measurement. Did you contact BPS?
Site lagged posted too manyWhere did you get the "Per Pump" confirmation? The label only states "Pumps per Bottle 130", not any type of "serving size" ml measurement. Did you contact BPS?
Site lagged posted too manyWhere did you get the "Per Pump" confirmation? The label only states "Pumps per Bottle 130", not any type of "serving size" ml measurement. Did you contact BPS?
I'm gunna dose it at 1 Pump AM and 1 Pump PM. Do the same as I was dosing Dermacrine but with 1 Pump at both times instead of 2.I think the problem when trying to figure out a comparison dosing, between Dermacrine and Super-DHEA - is with Dermacrine. 72mg sure, but what does that mean? How many pumps give you 72mg?. OL, puts all the required info on the label. Maybe a BPS rep can get us this info? If you go by "Pumps", for a 200lb'er, Dermacrine recommends 4, and Super - DHEA recommends 1.5 - 2 IIRC. I actually plan on mixing equal parts of each, and dosing 3ml
Based on Rx AndroGel, I always do Neck, Traps, and Shoulders and 2x/Day for even better sustained release (theory).
You apply to wrists and use it to spread it on desired location. Yes due to thinner skin. Hands do not absorb as well due to the thicker skin.I'm gunna dose it at 1 Pump AM and 1 Pump PM. Do the same as I was dosing Dermacrine but with 1 Pump at both times instead of 2.
Still don't understand why it's applied to the wrists though. Thinner skin/blood barrier maybe?
Awesome! Seeing as I wear T-shirts year and have my hoodie sleeves rolled up all year round application is going to be much easier, and I don't have to worry about residue on my clothesYou apply to wrists and use it to spread it on desired location. Yes due to thinner skin. Hands do not absorb as well due to the thicker skin.
Well you still apply it to upper back, upper chest and shoulders - you just use your wrist. Another option would be using rubber gloves. It dries so quickly though, I've never had issues with residue on clothing.Awesome! Seeing as I wear T-shirts year and have my hoodie sleeves rolled up all year round application is going to be much easier, and I don't have to worry about residue on my clothes
I know that Dermacrine still dries quick and doesn't leave much, if any, resudue but the Sup3r-DHEA might be different. Applying it to the wrists still interests me though, easier, more convienient and thinner skin barrierWell you still apply it to upper back, upper chest and shoulders - you just use your wrist. Another option would be using rubber gloves. It dries so quickly though, I've never had issues with residue on clothing.
If it's anything like their forma was, it'll be super fast drying with no residue. It's the only TD I used from them. Oh how I miss forma. I still recommend applying it to the shoulders, chest, back simply because the enzymes and receptors for better conversion. Only pain I have is keeping those areas shaved all the time lol.I know that Dermacrine still dries quick and doesn't leave much, if any, resudue but the Sup3r-DHEA might be different. Applying it to the wrists still interests me though, easier, more convienient and thinner skin barrier
i still have 2 bottles of forma saved for a rainy day one of them happens to be OL transformIf it's anything like their forma was, it'll be super fast drying with no residue. It's the only TD I used from them. Oh how I miss forma. I still recommend applying it to the shoulders, chest, back simply because the enzymes and receptors for better conversion. Only pain I have is keeping those areas shaved all the time lol.
I know you mentioned you're gonna do 1 pump am 1 pump pm - is the PM pump prebed? I tried pm pumps and just couldn't do it - I get a rush of energy after applying it and I seemed to sleep worse. I also generally only shower in the morning. So I just apply it in the AM.
Oh you lucky lucky man!i still have 2 bottles of forma saved for a rainy day one of them happens to be OL transform
Was always slightly sceptical of the receptor site thing, never really questioned it though because that's just how I used it. As long as it gets into the blood stream the ingredients will surely find their way to the receptors quickly and effectively?If it's anything like their forma was, it'll be super fast drying with no residue. It's the only TD I used from them. Oh how I miss forma. I still recommend applying it to the shoulders, chest, back simply because the enzymes and receptors for better conversion. Only pain I have is keeping those areas shaved all the time lol.
I know you mentioned you're gonna do 1 pump am 1 pump pm - is the PM pump prebed? I tried pm pumps and just couldn't do it - I get a rush of energy after applying it and I seemed to sleep worse. I also generally only shower in the morning. So I just apply it in the AM.
I'm sure it's not a significant difference between application sites between conversions to desired androgens. But I've never wanted to try it myself.Was always slightly sceptical of the receptor site thing, never really questioned it though because that's just how I used it. As long as it gets into the blood stream the ingredients will surely find their way to the receptors quickly and effectively?
Am pump would be about 5/6am and Pm pump would be about 1/2pm. I made the same pre-bed mistake with Dermacrine, could not for the life of me get to sleep.
Will probably do Shoulders for my Am pump and Wrists/Foarearms for my Pm pump. I should be on my break for my Pm pump so it'll just look like I'm applying some lotion and wont have to spend 5 minutes in the toilets with my top off haha!I'm sure it's not a significant difference between application sites between conversions to desired androgens. But I've never wanted to try it myself.
It's also an easy place to clean do you don't have to shower againWill probably do Shoulders for my Am pump and Wrists/Foarearms for my Pm pump. I should be on my break for my Pm pump so it'll just look like I'm applying some lotion and wont have to spend 5 minutes in the toilets with my top off haha!
Inner wrist/forearms? Not in theory. Most prominent concern would be that those areas tend to be high-exposure...so, there is a potential increased transference risk (compared to other areas).NewAgeMayan
Any reason why Sup3r-DHEA shouldn't be applied and dried into the wrists/forearms?
Since intratesticular pregnenolone production is severly hindered when on a cycle(unless using HCG, which helps maintain this function.) even with test, would it be recommended to run sup3r-dhea alongside test as well?Inner wrist/forearms? Not in theory. Most prominent concern would be that those areas tend to be high-exposure...so, there is a potential increased transference risk (compared to other areas).
I do personally. I just stop four weeks before I get bloods done for TRT. Since I started I always used Dermacrine alongside. Gonna use super DHEA now.Since intratesticular pregnenolone production is severly hindered when on a cycle(unless using HCG, which helps maintain this function.) even with test, would it be recommended to run sup3r-dhea alongside test as well?
Interesting question. Will confer with my fellow demigods as to a worthy answer to that query.Since intratesticular pregnenolone production is severly hindered when on a cycle(unless using HCG, which helps maintain this function.) even with test, would it be recommended to run sup3r-dhea alongside test as well?
The general consensus in R&D is that yes, it would prove beneficial along the lines of what you are indicating.Since intratesticular pregnenolone production is severly hindered when on a cycle(unless using HCG, which helps maintain this function.) even with test, would it be recommended to run sup3r-dhea alongside test as well?
Added preg is fairly common in many HRT regiments. The Anti-Aging section of this forum has threads on it.The general consensus in R&D is that yes, it would prove beneficial along the lines of what you are indicating.
Safe, or a good dose without worrying about too much conversion competition?What doses of 4 andro and epiandro would you consider 'safe'?
Spot on. I hope people don't mega-dose this stuff thinking it's benign, no matter the dose.Also worth noting that more DHEA isn't better (to take nothing away from OL's new product). The right amount to feel good for YOU is the right amount. It's not something where more is better, it's about balance to feel good (and it's only one piece of a bigger equation).
Considering how you've used Dermacrine quite a few times, would you recommend it as a good Test Base for an 8 week LGD and 1-Andro Lean Bulk Cycle? Or would something more powerful like Sup3r-DHEA be more suitable, especially for things like staving off lethargy?Dermacrine is 72mg of DHEA per 5 pumps. The older bottles had this label and some websites currently list that breakdown. A bottle is 234ml (7.9 fl oz).
Each pump contains: (Text quoted from a Dermacrine Vendor)
DHEA 14.4mg
7,8-Benzoflavone (99%) 7.2mg
Resveratrol (99%) 7.2mg
Pregnenolone 3.6mg
Chrysin (99%) 1.8mg
I've seen it listed as 130, 115, and 110 pumps per bottle.
Assuming 130 pumps per bottle, this equals 1872mg of DHEA per bottle.
This would equate to 8 mg of DHEA per ml (234 ml bottle)
Super-DHEA lists it's dose as 100mg of DHEA per ml (120 ml bottle). The proof will of course be in the pudding, as far as how effective the product is. I've used a few OL TDs and they always perform well.
Before anyone jumps on the difference in DHEA/ml, lets remember that Dermacrine has been around for a long time and is well regarded for a reason. I've used Dermacrine numerous times now and I have always thought the product was great and effective. It does what it says it should do and I've never needed to go above 4 pumps per day, with 3 being the norm. Having said that, I'm anxious to use my Super-DHEA which should arrive within a week or so, and I will start using it immediately to compare. I have some Dermacrine on tap as well..
DHEA info links for those that care:
http://www.futurescience.com/dhea.html
http://www.herbs2000.com/h_menu/dhea.htm
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If I've misrepresented any of the "current" numbers for Dermacrine, I'm happy to be corrected by BPS.
Also note that the drug company Abbvie, who makes AndroGel, also recommends the same areas, being even more cautious due to possible transfer issues:Q: Where do I apply SUP3R-11? What are the optimal application sites for absorption?
A: The two most important factors when using transdermals are site of application and surface area of application. In a paper published in the book "Transdermal Absorption of Dermatological Products", the percutaneous absorption of benzoic acid was measured at 11 different sites. From this paper it would appear optimal to apply transdermals to the postauricular/neck/clavicle region. This would be behind the ear, down the side of the neck, around the front of the traps and over your collar bones.
Depending on the dosage, you may be able to apply to both sides of the neck and not require other application sites. However with 2 transdermals, you likely require other sites unless you are using very low dosages. For this, we need to consider the thickness of the stratum corneum at the site of application, because the thicker it is the less flux you'll achieve. And thickness of the stratum corneum is highly variable across different areas of the body, due to differences in the number of stratum corneum cell layers. According to one Japanese study (Z. Ya-Xian, 1999) where hundreds of subjects had their number of stratum corneum cell layers at many points measured: Genitals: 6, Face: 9, Neck: 10, Scalp: 12, Trunk: 13, Limbs: 15, Palms and soles: 47, Heels: 86. Now Genitals, Face and Scalp should be avoided. We are already utilizing the Neck. So the Trunk is the next logical location for application. I apply to the upper chest and upper abdominal region.
The second factor regards surface area, and for this we must consider transdermal flux, which is measured in µg/cm²/hour, so the more square centimeters you spread your dose over, the more flux you'll achieve. Spread the transdermal as thinly and as broadly as possible for optimal results. (Note: Please do not apply to the face or genitals. Those areas contain a lot of sensitive nerve-endings, and application at these areas may cause pain or discomfort.)
In summary, spread your transdermals as thinly and broadly as possible behind the ear, down the neck, around the traps, and over the collar bones. And if you require more application sites, utilize the trunk, specifically upper chest and the upper abdominal region.
I've only used Dermacrine as a base for 22-25mg of Ostarine for 8 weeks. Applied 2 pumps, twice a day (6AM-6PM). I felt great. Osta suppresses a lot (see Uncle SARM's log on Osta - mid 200's ng/dl at end of cycle), so it *may* be fine for LGD and 1 Andro... then again, that's two heavy hitters combined, it may be fine for one, but not two combined. I always have some 4-DHEA on hand when I'm thinking of just using TD DHEA as a base - just in case.Considering how you've used Dermacrine quite a few times, would you recommend it as a good Test Base for an 8 week LGD and 1-Andro Lean Bulk Cycle? Or would something more powerful like Sup3r-DHEA be more suitable, especially for things like staving off lethargy?
Yoeman's work my friend - nice job and thanks. Copied to a Text File for future use :thumbsup:Dermacrine is 72mg of DHEA per 5 pumps. The older bottles had this label and some websites currently list that breakdown. A bottle is 234ml (7.9 fl oz).
Each pump contains: (Text quoted from a Dermacrine Vendor)
DHEA 14.4mg
7,8-Benzoflavone (99%) 7.2mg
Resveratrol (99%) 7.2mg
Pregnenolone 3.6mg
Chrysin (99%) 1.8mg
I've seen it listed as 130, 115, and 110 pumps per bottle.
Assuming 130 pumps per bottle, this equals 1872mg of DHEA per bottle.
This would equate to 8 mg of DHEA per ml (234 ml bottle)
If I've misrepresented any of the "current" numbers for Dermacrine, I'm happy to be corrected by BPS.
From the Super-11 Thread:
Also note that the drug company Abbvie, who makes AndroGel, also recommends the same areas, being even more cautious due to possible transfer issues:
http://www.rxabbvie.com/pdf/androgel1_62_medguide.pdf
Just do what the FDA approved drug companies do for trans-dermals...
Cheers for that write up from the Sup3r-11 Thread.I've only used Dermacrine as a base for 22-25mg of Ostarine for 8 weeks. Applied 2 pumps, twice a day (6AM-6PM). I felt great. Osta suppresses a lot (see Uncle SARM's log on Osta - mid 200's ng/dl at end of cycle), so it *may* be fine for LGD and 1 Andro... then again, that's two heavy hitters combined, it may be fine for one, but not two combined. I always have some 4-DHEA on hand when I'm thinking of just using TD DHEA as a base - just in case.
Disagree. Ostarine is ****ing poison imo. First run ended in gyno. Second and third in severe hairloss, and I am not prone to hairloss nor have I had any problem with either masteron, proviron, mdht or dbol. LGD not only resulted in better muscle gains but also in lesser side effects, for me that is. We all react differently. Ran LGD on top of a TRT base ofcourse.Ostarine is a much better sarm imo. Lgd is basically an oral steroid and will suppress your T levels significantly whereas ostarine has minor suppression with nice lean gains
This is exactly what I remember from PP's Dermacrine so everything make sense.Dermacrine is 72mg of DHEA per 5 pumps. The older bottles had this label and some websites currently list that breakdown. A bottle is 234ml (7.9 fl oz).
Each pump contains: (Text quoted from a Dermacrine Vendor)
DHEA 14.4mg
7,8-Benzoflavone (99%) 7.2mg
Resveratrol (99%) 7.2mg
Pregnenolone 3.6mg
Chrysin (99%) 1.8mg
I've seen it listed as 130, 115, and 110 pumps per bottle.
Assuming 130 pumps per bottle, this equals 1872mg of DHEA per bottle.
This would equate to 8 mg of DHEA per ml (234 ml bottle)
Super-DHEA lists it's dose as 100mg of DHEA per ml (120 ml bottle). The proof will of course be in the pudding, as far as how effective the product is. I've used a few OL TDs and they always perform well.
Before anyone jumps on the difference in DHEA/ml, lets remember that Dermacrine has been around for a long time and is well regarded for a reason. I've used Dermacrine numerous times now and I have always thought the product was great and effective. It does what it says it should do and I've never needed to go above 4 pumps per day, with 3 being the norm. Having said that, I'm anxious to use my Super-DHEA which should arrive within a week or so, and I will start using it immediately to compare. I have some Dermacrine on tap as well..
DHEA info links for those that care:
http://www.futurescience.com/dhea.html
http://www.herbs2000.com/h_menu/dhea.htm
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If I've misrepresented any of the "current" numbers for Dermacrine, I'm happy to be corrected by BPS.
Dude... you CLEARLY RAN A PROHORMONE. Ostarine does not cause hairloss or aromatize cmon man use your common sense. Let me guess, was it a capsule form from a supplement company? Stick to reputable RESEARCH companies not capsules when u know there are companies out there who have stockpiles of prohormones after the ban and have no where to put them... oh wait they do, they can sell them as sarms!Disagree. Ostarine is ****ing poison imo. First run ended in gyno. Second and third in severe hairloss, and I am not prone to hairloss nor have I had any problem with either masteron, proviron, mdht or dbol. LGD not only resulted in better muscle gains but also in lesser side effects, for me that is. We all react differently. Ran LGD on top of a TRT base ofcourse.
Let me just clarify a few things from your posts.Dude... you CLEARLY RAN A PROHORMONE. Ostarine does not cause hairloss or aromatize cmon man use your common sense. Let me guess, was it a capsule form from a supplement company? Stick to reputable RESEARCH companies not capsules when u know there are companies out there who have stockpiles of prohormones after the ban and have no where to put them... oh wait they do, they can sell them as sarms!
False, and False, and yet another False. First off it's not as cut and dry as a compound doesn't aromatize therefore it's not possible for it to cause gyno. Look at Epistane A PURE DHT DERIVATIVE, exacerbated or even caused gyno in tons of users. Anything you put in your body that effects hormones can cause estrogen to go out of whack. ANYTHING. Also hair loss is also highly possible with ostarine, it's very androgenic and just because it's SUPPOSED to be selective doesn't mean this is a perfect world and it won't bind to any AR it comes in contact with. Also do you guys not realize THESE ARE RESEARCH CHEMICALS, that were also ABANDONED. To say a research chemical can't have said side effect whenever we don't even know the entire list of possible side effects. Don't get me wrong they're documented here and there but we can't make blanket statements and just assume that because the majority of the users don't experience said side effects that those side effects aren't possible for outliers.Dude... you CLEARLY RAN A PROHORMONE. Ostarine does not cause hairloss or aromatize cmon man use your common sense. Let me guess, was it a capsule form from a supplement company? Stick to reputable RESEARCH companies not capsules when u know there are companies out there who have stockpiles of prohormones after the ban and have no where to put them... oh wait they do, they can sell them as sarms!
I'm no BioTech expert or anything, but from what I can find, Ostarine MK-2866 has been re-designated GTx-024 'Enobosarm' and is still in Phase II trials.Also do you guys not realize THESE ARE RESEARCH CHEMICALS, that were also ABANDONED.
http://www.gtxinc.com/pipeline/Enobosarm: Phase II data 09/12/2016
Week in Review, Clinical Results
GTx Inc. (NASDAQ:GTXI), Memphis, Tenn. Product: Enobosarm (Ostarine) (GTx-024) (formerly MK-2866) Business: Cancer Molecular target: Androgen receptor Description: Non-steroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (…
CLINICAL NEWS: GTx gains on Phase II breast cancer milestone 09/08/2016
The Daily Extra, Clinical News
GTx Inc. (NASDAQ:GTXI) added $0.14 (22%) to $0.77 on Thursday after it said a sufficient clinical benefit had been shown for the low-dose cohort of a Phase II trial of breast cancer candidate enobosarm (GTx-024) to …
Ostarine enobosarm: Phase II started 02/29/2016
Week in Review, Clinical Status
GTx Inc. (NASDAQ:GTXI), Memphis, Tenn. Product: Ostarine enobosarm (GTx-024) (formerly MK-2866) Business: Genitourinary Molecular target: Androgen receptor Description: Non-steroidal selective androgen receptor …
Enobosarm: Phase II started 11/09/2015
Week in Review, Clinical Status
GTx Inc. (NASDAQ:GTXI), Memphis, Tenn. Product: Enobosarm (Ostarine) (GTx-024) (formerly MK-2866) Business: Cancer Molecular target: Androgen receptor Description: Non-steroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (…
Enobosarm: Phase II started 10/05/2015
Week in Review, Clinical Status
GTx Inc. (NASDAQ:GTXI), Memphis, Tenn. Product: Enobosarm (Ostarine) (GTx-024) (formerly MK-2866) Business: Cancer Molecular target: Androgen receptor Description: Non-steroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (…
I'm not sure you're in a position to call on me to use common sense, my friend. Ostarine has been shown to raise estradiol levels. There are numerous reports on gyno flares caused by Ostarine. Some of these guys could very well had been given "spiked" sarms, yet many compounds can cause gyno without the ability to aromatize, Anadrol is a great example.Dude... you CLEARLY RAN A PROHORMONE. Ostarine does not cause hairloss or aromatize cmon man use your common sense. Let me guess, was it a capsule form from a supplement company? Stick to reputable RESEARCH companies not capsules when u know there are companies out there who have stockpiles of prohormones after the ban and have no where to put them... oh wait they do, they can sell them as sarms!
i understand your point, but ostarine can raise test and est levels, so gyno is a possibility.Dude... you CLEARLY RAN A PROHORMONE. Ostarine does not cause hairloss or aromatize cmon man use your common sense. Let me guess, was it a capsule form from a supplement company? Stick to reputable RESEARCH companies not capsules when u know there are companies out there who have stockpiles of prohormones after the ban and have no where to put them... oh wait they do, they can sell them as sarms!
Assuming the pump to be reliably accurate:NewAgeMayan and Woody
Am I right in thinking that at 2 pumps per day of Sup3r-DHEA one bottle will last me the whole 8 weeks? Like how strong and accurate is the pump on this bottle.
Sorry for all the questions but I want to plan this right and get everything in one order
again, those are threads and written by whom? could they be just pp information looking to promote a product? who knows but honestly this was really the first i read about it. did some more looking around and its scattered info.Good to know. And yup can never be to prepared.
you as well my friendYou always have good input brother! Thanks
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