RAD 140 Experience

[EMPIREMIND]

thanks man. Im definitely trying to stay away from the drugs. do you guys think theres a need for a pharma AI? the doc who ordered my bloods was mentioning anastrozole so i could prob get a script for it if you guys think it would benefit.

If your going to do an AI I would go with aromasin over anastrozole, but until you have blood work no way to tell if an AI is needed. If hes saying that maybe he's leaning towards trt?

 

[DennisC1986]

Possibly, I know my father has had low T for his whole life so if its hereditary at all that might be a possibility.

 

[DennisC1986]

Ok well i spoke to my doc on the phone today. I advent received my copy of the blood work yet but he said all the levels (FSH, estradiol, etc) were normal except test. He said it was a little low, I believe he said in the low 200s. I was expecting it to be lower after almost 5 weeks on RAD. Once i get my copy i will post the exact numbers in here.

 

[K_pem]

So I was supposed to be getting my bloods in the mail instead I got a letter from my doc stating "very low test" make an appointment to see me soon. Soonest he's available is over 2 weeks away lol. Of course my test was low after running RAD at apparently 30mg for a week. I noticed my decrease sperm production though for sure.

So...
I'm starting clomid 50mg ED for the next couple weeks and probably will redraw when I see him on the 17th. If he's not cool with it I'm gonna start seeing a local Endo specialist that I know a lot of other guys see.

My guess is he's gonna wanna put me on TRT but I really just need clomid and maybe HCG wouldn't hurt if I'm super shut down.

I'll keep you guys posted. May include a light AI for pct along side the clomid. At 2 weeks in I'll add in my super pct and drop clomid down to 25mg

 

[DennisC1986]

So I was supposed to be getting my bloods in the mail instead I got a letter from my doc stating "very low test" make an appointment to see me soon. Soonest he's available is over 2 weeks away lol. Of course my test was low after running RAD at apparently 30mg for a week. I noticed my decrease sperm production though for sure.

So...
I'm starting clomid 50mg ED for the next couple weeks and probably will redraw when I see him on the 17th. If he's not cool with it I'm gonna start seeing a local Endo specialist that I know a lot of other guys see.

My guess is he's gonna wanna put me on TRT but I really just need clomid and maybe HCG wouldn't hurt if I'm super shut down.

I'll keep you guys posted. May include a light AI for pct along side the clomid. At 2 weeks in I'll add in my super pct and drop clomid down to 25mg

no idea what your number is? I'm a little confused because if normal range is like 250 to 1000, then low 200s doesn't seem to bad, but at the same time its like the very low end of normal range

 

[AllTheGainz]

I thought normal for people in their 20s was like 700-1000

 

[DennisC1986]

me too, I'm just going by what I've found online for normal range was between like 200 and 1000

 

[NewAgeMayan]

You bros are delivering the lulz.

 

[K_pem]

Normal at our age would be 500-800 for sure. But no of course they say they're going to send me copy of my bloods then don't and want to give me the fckin run around and scheduling appointments and sh!t....

I'm going to call the Endo today and see if I can at least chat with someone.

 

[K_pem]

Care to elaborate NewAgeMayan ??

 

[DennisC1986]

Yeah please let us in on the joke.

 

[DennisC1986]

Thinking about throwing in some Rebirth. has anyone used this?

 

[allbrawn]

Thinking about throwing in some Rebirth. has anyone used this?

Yup. It's good stuff stacked with sup3r pct.

 

[DennisC1986]

Rather than start a new thread, since I'm gonna keep this going at least until pct is done, I'll ask it here. What is the normal protocol for trying to get rid of existing gyro? I don't think its a major case, you can look for yourself at my chest in those 2 pics. but for years I've had severe pain if i get any kind of contact with my nipples, i.e. catching a football against my chest or something. its like a real quick jolt of sharp pain. other than that i don't think its very noticeable visually, maybe a little puffy at times. I did a test/deca cycle about ten years ago, followed up with nolva, but before then i had used a lot of PHs with no real pct. before flaming me just keep in mind it was over a decade ago and i didn't know the deal, hind sight is 20/20. But Mag10, M1T, and a couple of the original andros, all used without any kind of pct. Just trying to give you guys an idea on what might be the cause, if you're gonna comment jus tot say how dumb that was, please keep it to yourself. I asked this on here because the guys on this thread are knowledgeable and I'd like to get your input. would surgery be the only cure or possibly Arimidex or something?

 

[AllTheGainz]

You could try letro, there's another product out there that works better but I've forgotten the name of it

 

[StanleyG]

Raloxifene is the absolute best gyno treatment there is. It is a serm so you dont have to systemically crush your e2 and deal with all the discomfort and unhealthy effects that come along with doing so. It blocks e2 at the receptor site in breast tissue better than any other serm.
You dose it at 60mg/day for one week then drop to 30mg/day every week after. Plan on at least 8 weeks of use.

 

[EMPIREMIND]

Raloxifene is the absolute best gyno treatment there is. It is a serm so you dont have to systemically crush your e2 and deal with all the discomfort and unhealthy effects that come along with doing so. It blocks e2 at the receptor site in breast tissue better than any other serm.
You dose it at 60mg/day for one week then drop to 30mg/day every week after. Plan on at least 8 weeks of use.

Being that this is from past use you think this will really solve anything though? From what I'm getting surgery would be the only true solution.

 

[dynamo]

Being that this is from past use you think this will really solve anything though? From what I'm getting surgery would be the only true solution.

If it's real gyno, you know, the hard ball you can literally feel, surgery is the only thing that will get rid of it. A lot of people confuse chest/nipple fat with gyno.

Rather than start a new thread, since I'm gonna keep this going at least until pct is done, I'll ask it here. What is the normal protocol for trying to get rid of existing gyro? I don't think its a major case, you can look for yourself at my chest in those 2 pics. but for years I've had severe pain if i get any kind of contact with my nipples, i.e. catching a football against my chest or something. its like a real quick jolt of sharp pain. other than that i don't think its very noticeable visually, maybe a little puffy at times. I did a test/deca cycle about ten years ago, followed up with nolva, but before then i had used a lot of PHs with no real pct. before flaming me just keep in mind it was over a decade ago and i didn't know the deal, hind sight is 20/20. But Mag10, M1T, and a couple of the original andros, all used without any kind of pct. Just trying to give you guys an idea on what might be the cause, if you're gonna comment jus tot say how dumb that was, please keep it to yourself. I asked this on here because the guys on this thread are knowledgeable and I'd like to get your input. would surgery be the only cure or possibly Arimidex or something?

I don't notice gyno in either of your pics. If you had it at your leanness, we should be able to see it in the pictures.

 

[AllTheGainz]

Being that this is from past use you think this will really solve anything though? From what I'm getting surgery would be the only true solution.

Surgery is like a last resort option. I'd say have a doc look, your old enough to where you won't "grow out of it" and if he doesn't do anything then that's when I'd take matters into my own hands. I think you'll be okay it may just take a while for it to go away. I'm kinda in the same boat as you are mines just not as bad (small lump under the nipples, makes them look puffy) and it was caused by puberty and running an epi cycle with no PCT like 5 years ago...

 

[K_pem]

I had some gyno from puberty as well hanging around until I was about 20-21 and started cycling pros. Of course it flared up and got worse cause I was a dumb kid and didn't know better and listened to the typical gym bro. Anyhow it used to be a pea sized lump I could feel that was hard to the touch and it amplified when I ran a tad Trestolone cycle last winter. Since then I have ran an epi cycle and some SARMS. I can honestly say it's kinda dealt with itself and it went away. I'm 24, don't recall your age but maybe I grew out of it? Maybe the other cycles assisted in getting rid of it

 

[Blergs]

Raloxifene is the absolute best gyno treatment there is. It is a serm so you dont have to systemically crush your e2 and deal with all the discomfort and unhealthy effects that come along with doing so. It blocks e2 at the receptor site in breast tissue better than any other serm.
You dose it at 60mg/day for one week then drop to 30mg/day every week after. Plan on at least 8 weeks of use.

exactly, NVM this letro or AI for gyno BS..... on cycle yes use an AI and control your estro, avoid the issues. but post cycle or already with gyno use a SERM and i agree ralox is one of the best options, though tamox is good to.
your best bet is a coupel runs of ralox before considering surgery IMO

 

[EMPIREMIND]

I was going to mention chest fat. I've dealt with that as well and once I bulk up my chest is more pronounced. I'm very cautious about gyno none the less so the first signs of a flare up and I address it asap. I don't f around

 

[DennisC1986]

Wow thanks for all the info guys. dynamo , if its not noticeable it might be in my head, I've always been self conscious about my chest. People always tell me that it just looks like i work out, not like there man boobs but I'm still self conscious about it sometimes. But there is definitely that pain issue i mentioned. But now that I think of it i haven't felt it in a while, could be because i got so used to being super careful about not hitting my chest. I did notice a strange-isn feeling in my nipples the past day or so, not pain exactly but just strange, but I started the Abieta a few days ago and i haven't felt it since then.

 

[DennisC1986]

What is your guys take on Formestane? I was reading it could be useful as far as anti-estrogen? does anybody still make this?

 

[StanleyG]

What is your guys take on Formestane? I was reading it could be useful as far as anti-estrogen? does anybody still make this?

Its got horrible oral bio-availability and it was actually discontinued in Europe where it was a prescription AI due to ineffectiveness so despite any hype you may read you have other much better options like adex or exemestane and in extreme cases letrozole.

 

[dynamo]

What is your guys take on Formestane? I was reading it could be useful as far as anti-estrogen? does anybody still make this?

Check your bloodwork and use exemstane as needed.

 

[DennisC1986]

yeah i was just more curious about it, not really planning on using it. hopefully i won't have any issues as RAD isn't supposed to be too bad in that area.

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

yeah i was just more curious about it, not really planning on using it. hopefully i won't have any issues as RAD isn't supposed to be too bad in that area.

Transdermal formestane has been made and was very successful... If you can't get exemestane transdermal formestane is the next best thing and has high TD availability.

 

[StanleyG]

Transdermal formestane has been made and was very successful... If you can't get exemestane transdermal formestane is the next best thing and has high TD availability.

The formastane in Europe that was discontinued for ineffectiveness was injectable so despite all the hub bub and hype transdermal formastane was given, I strongly suspect it was shilling and ignorance.
Id stick with exemestane or arimidex for sure.

 

[DennisC1986]

Transdermal formestane has been made and was very successful... If you can't get exemestane transdermal formestane is the next best thing and has high TD availability.

Yeah, the stuff I was reading about that seemed to work well was the transdermal.

 

[DennisC1986]

Goin to add in the Rebirth when it gets here today. Decided to run the Inhibit E through the whole thing since I think I'm pretty prone to e2 sides. Everyone says DAA is worthless but i took it solo a few years ago and after a few days my nipples were itchy so i think thats what that means. Might stagger some arimistane in after 2 weeks as like a mild AI/cortisol control, to kinda bridge that gap

 

[DennisC1986]

Ok so heres my bloods that i got in the mail. Testosterone, total, 204. Range 250-1100, so pretty low. Free testosterone, 62.6. Range, 35-155. Prolactin 3.5, range 2-18. Estradiol 29, < or = 39. Im not super informed on this. What do you guys sthink of these numbers? Also my liver enzymes are high, 71, range 9-46. Thinking about adding som milk thistle for the liver levels. Are these high, low or what? estradiol at 29 out of 39 seems high. This was before i started my Pct so hopefully idf i get it thick in a month or so they will get better. Prolactin seems low which is goo because lactating is one of my biggest fears. Any insights?

 

[DennisC1986]

I will hopefully be able to get new bloods in a month or so and see what they say

 

[DennisC1986]

Bump?

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

Not sure what type you have, and ive never used rad, but i have heard from some guys who have taken it at 5 and 10mgs and at even 5 they have complained about significant increases in agression and irribility. Alot of guys from what i hear dont like it much compared to others like lgd. Keep in mind the sources are different. The ones i know of have all used a top grade research product, not capsules...

Minimum effective dose is 3mg for a 220 lbs man...
*edit I still found it highly suppressive at even the minimum dose. :-(

 

[Uncle_E]

OP, I read this whole thread - can you come back with a long term update?

 

[3000vr4tt]

subbed looks good