No, I can be an ass....talking out of your ass is your territory. :notworthy:So you mean you can talk out your a$$ now like I do eh? :thumbsup:
No, I can be an ass....talking out of your ass is your territory. :notworthy:So you mean you can talk out your a$$ now like I do eh? :thumbsup:
lol...better to burn out than fade away!!!!I no longer have to be one of the faces of a company now, so I don't have to hold back, haha. The two BB companies I am affiliated with now are a bit easier in that regard, BoardAdmin @ PHF is even more direct than I am, and the other company I own, and we don't sell products.
Designer steroids have always been illegal. It does not have to be on a banned list or controlled substance list to make it illegal. If it is not a naturally occurring substance than it is not DSHEA compliant and therefore illegal.
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So condescending. Thanks!this is quite absurd stance, and of course carries the air of one crying "conspiracy!" again
of course the FDA has issues, and may be involved in issues that it really has no worthwhile time/business being involved with..to say they are a flat-out corrupt organization is ludicrous
as for no warning letters sent out as you claim:
uhhh, i think it was not too long ago that one of the biggest "busts" in the industry went down, bodybuilding (dot) com, pertaining to illegal product being sold
this raid was AFTER repeated letters sent to bb.com and DeLuca to cease and desist (which they ignored)
i could care less what you believe, but again all this conspiratorial nonsense...WOW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substance_Analogue_Enforcement_of_1986Then explain why there are still designers that have passed the test of time with the FDA, while others have not? H-drol, Dienolone currently is floating around without resistance..trying to understand how that assumption holds up when time after time companies redesign the compounds to be something new and unlisted...
huh, interestingSo condescending. Thanks!
this is quite absurd stance, and of course carries the air of one crying "conspiracy!" again
of course the FDA has issues, and may be involved in issues that it really has no worthwhile time/business being involved with..to say they are a flat-out corrupt organization is ludicrous
as for no warning letters sent out as you claim:
uhhh, i think it was not too long ago that one of the biggest "busts" in the industry went down, bodybuilding (dot) com, pertaining to illegal product being sold
this raid was AFTER repeated letters sent to bb.com and DeLuca to cease and desist (which they ignored)
i could care less what you believe, but again all this conspiratorial nonsense...WOW
In bold, as it was written. Just ask yourself this quesiton. I f I had responded to you in that fashion, regardless of the relevancy or accuracy of your post, how would you have responded? Don't be a liar and tell me something like, "oh I would've been ok with it. I would've understood your point-of-view.." right..I'd be danged if you would talk to a stranger to his face like that and then turn around and wonder where the condescending talk came from.. hahuh, interesting
i correct your mistaken attempts at factual relevancy, and you say i am condescending?
okay..
i will no longer attempt to edify you in your erroneous posts, no worries - as i said, i could care less what you think
highly doubt anyone with common sense bought into your synopsis anyway
best to you
props for using 'DANGED" in a sentence!!!In bold, as it was written. Just ask yourself this quesiton. I f I had responded to you in that fashion, regardless of the relevancy or accuracy of your post, how would you have responded? Don't be a liar and tell me something like, "oh I would've been ok with it. I would've understood your point-of-view.." right..I'd be danged if you would talk to a stranger to his face like that and then turn around and wonder where the condescending talk came from.. ha
Too many people on this board just can't be friendly at all. You brought my post down like I wasn't educated or something. Thanks. That kind of treatment to others won't take you very far in life.
now wait a minute..here you said they don't send out warning lettersThey don't send letters to anyone giving them warnings because that means no fines! FDA wants fines, not law-abiding citizens..
now you show that they do indeed send out warning letters?The FDA sent this letter http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2009/ucm173874.htm to ACL
I appreciate all the condescending talk by your fan boy, too. Seems like no one else is allowed to have a correct or accurate perspective on this board if it disagrees with certain people..
:lol:Don't be a liar
was a little skeptical about this being a real word, but as it turns out...I appreciate all the condescending talk by your fan boy, too.
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isnt PP based out of oregon? i could be wrong but i thought it wasThen explain why there are still designers that have passed the test of time with the FDA, while others have not? H-drol, Dienolone currently is floating around without resistance..trying to understand how that assumption holds up when time after time companies redesign the compounds to be something new and unlisted...
But lets get serious..the real reason they were banned was not because the FDA really had grounds to say, " your product is illegal"..in fact, designer steroids aren't illegal until the FDA tests them, proves they are steroids and then puts them on the banned list. How am I sure of this? Because the Oregon senator has this law changed some years ago to encourage more companies to start up in Oregon, conveniently located on the West coast (nearest China). The law states that the FDA cannot test any substance BEFORE going to the market with it. The substance can later be checked after being put into production and can later be deemed unsafe and therefore removed, but not before. Notice PP's company was based in Oregon...
The FDA sent this letter Americell-labs.com VMG Global Inc 7/27/09 to ACL which actually claims the problem was in the labeling, not the substance. Learn something new every day I guess.
According to this letter, had ACL just added a dietary supplement to the mix, they could have gotten away with it. This is also why we usually see companies combining all sorts of other dietary compounds to the designers in effort to avoid all this non-sense. So there you have it...
Designer steroids aren't illegal, at least for a certain window until FDA has some grounds for pulling it off the shelf. Some of them have somehow survived all the banning movements by the FDA. Dienolone (not pro-dienolone) is one of them, hence why we still see Trenazone being sold. If they were illegal, companies wouldn't be so stupid as to market them in plain sight for the FDA to see.
I appreciate all the condescending talk by your fan boy, too. Seems like no one else is allowed to have a correct or accurate perspective on this board if it disagrees with certain people.
And just to add to it, the FDA also deshelved the estrogen-blocker from ACL as well. Yet, we know it wasn't an illegal compound because IT IS STILL LEGAL. It's called Formestane! They got these guys due to misleading or inaccurate labeling.
that was intelligently statedThis doesn't mean that every part of these agencies are corrupt. But they all have corrupt parts.
That's your opinion, right? It's also their opinion that it isn't a waste of time, rather quite interesting to them, which is why they're discussing it. Some dudes think aliens are real, it's not fair to walk around kicking them all in the Dick for their interests.that was intelligently stated
it's one thing to discuss in thoughtful, intelligent manner
quite another to take on paranoid frame of thought and compare agencies in our government to the coke dealer on the wrong side of town
yet still -- end of the day, provides fruitless wasted time, as there will be nothing done here to change anything
all government is doomed to fail; it has happened time and time again, thruout history
ppl seem to forget we as a world power have only been in existence a couple hundred yrs..
yes democracy and the US are doomed to failure in time, just as powerful nations before us have crumbled and fallen
it is unavoidable..government of ppl just does not work, it cannot
and all the worries we got, as a country, and you're worried about supplements? really?
god forbid they ever pass that law banning ALL otc supplements..i think that one is a lot closer than many of you realize
but you want to sit around and bitch about it? does it make you feel better?
simply wasteful, imo
bro -That's your opinion, right? It's also their opinion that it isn't a waste of time, rather quite interesting to them, which is why they're discussing it. Some dudes think aliens are real, it's not fair to walk around kicking them all in the Dick for their interests.
I personally have no hard feelings with anyone in this thread, quite the opposite really. Snags, I've always gotten along with you. Same goes for HTS but take it easy guys. No reason to come in belittling people for discussing (somewhat conspiracy driven) something they find interesting. Calm down, if it's such a waste of time and completely ludicrous, drive on.
You have both already stated what happened numerous times, you've done your parts. You've both stated
that you have since moved on and are now onto new ventures which are both going well, so let them talk. Who gives a ****? Quit letting something ruffle your tail feathers to this degree.
- Valdez
Right there! Condescending!!!! You calm down first, bro...bro -
i think you are reading things into things, that simply aren't there
this all started with a late bump, and i was actually having fun with it even tho i found it quite silly..
and then, misinformation started coming out (misstating the ACL situation..saying feds don't send warning letters..likening our gov agencies to cartels LOL)
simply, erroneous - has nothing to do with opinion
but let's talk about opinions: the .02 has been stated that FDA are crooks
my .02 is that that .02 is ludicrous
where, please tell me, am i belittling/condescending/fighting/or upset?
:lol:
you calm down, bro
just chill
I believe in aliens.. juss saying
Dick kick!
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but of course someone with the screen name halfhuman would like this postI actually think it is quite arrogant (or naive) of someone to dismiss the probability of aliens. Considering the elements that make up life are the most common elements in the universe, I would be surprised if there werent other life forms out there
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i will say, however, that i am now scared to "like" someone's post going forward..
lest, i be called a "fanboy"
You and me both....
Lest
Agreed... Dismissing something of that nature to me feels somewhat narrow minded. Basic biology should really be enough to make you wonder. The evolution of life could just as easily happen anywhere else.I actually think it is quite arrogant (or naive) of someone to dismiss the probability of aliens. Considering the elements that make up life are the most common elements in the universe, I would be surprised if there werent other life forms out there
what if the fda were run by aliens?????I actually think it is quite arrogant (or naive) of someone to dismiss the probability of aliens. Considering the elements that make up life are the most common elements in the universe, I would be surprised if there werent other life forms out there
Grab some Uni-liver pills and much emThese threads never cease to entertain, that is for sure. We are now on Aliens, haha.
As for why I wasted the wind on this, was because a similar question (inspired by this board's thread) came up on my forum, and I was literally shocked by how fast people seem to buy into this ****. When this thread was finally mentioned, it was brought to my attention that it was being encouraged by some of the same ol' suspects, I figured it was time to take a step over and keep the thread from spreading what is a false theory. The thread has spiraled out of control, but I think now it was start to die as their is no more basis behind this than "What if the clouds were to rain protein shakes tomorrow?"
Popcorn bag is running out now.
Hey budBy the way though, definitely cool to see so many of the same guys from back then still hitting these boards. Makes me remember that I need to check in a little more often.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/03/21/military-tuition-assistance_n_2924526.htmlwhat if the fda were run by aliens?????
the whole dammed government is alien to me!!!
THEY ARE, how can they not beSome dudes think aliens are real, it's not fair to walk around kicking them all in the Dick for their interests.
wait wutSome dudes like Dick for real, it's not fair to walk around kicking them all for their alien interests.
I'm going to play devils advocate; not because I don't agree with your stance, which I do, but rather because you can't have a debate if everyone agrees with you, so here goes:I actually think it is quite arrogant (or naive) of someone to dismiss the probability of aliens. Considering the elements that make up life are the most common elements in the universe, I would be surprised if there werent other life forms out there
And with some current theory proposing a universe formation that suggests infinite universes, there's almost no way life DOESN'T exist elsewhere.Agreed... Dismissing something of that nature to me feels somewhat narrow minded. Basic biology should really be enough to make you wonder. The evolution of life could just as easily happen anywhere else.
- Valdez
See below.I'm going to play devils advocate; not because I don't agree with your stance, which I do, but rather because you can't have a debate if everyone agrees with you, so here goes:
Uhm, have they found any evidence of life on any planet yet? Concrete, hard evidence that, if disputed in court, would hold up as evidence?
And with some current theory proposing a universe formation that suggests infinite universes, there's almost no way life DOESN'T exist elsewhere.
our courts and justice system don't count tho - part of that flawed government we have, y'knowConcrete, hard evidence that, if disputed in court, would hold up as evidence?
OK, allow me to points out some tid bits of info.I'm going to play devils advocate; not because I don't agree with your stance, which I do, but rather because you can't have a debate if everyone agrees with you, so here goes:
Uhm, have they found any evidence of life on any planet yet? Concrete, hard evidence that, if disputed in court, would hold up as evidence?
no YOU don't existNone of this even exists..
they would have ended the experiment had they not annihilated themselves in a war.. their equivalent of a nuclear weapon is the generation of a blackhole.. only both sides generated blackholes which collided and ended their entire galaxy..there's also the theory that aliens came down and gave the mayans the calendar..taught them astrology..built the pyramids..
there's even mention of aliens in the bible - elijah was carried up into the heavens not by a chariot, but rather a spaceship of course..
then they all went away, saying they'll be back for us if the humankind experiment works out
i don't think the experiment is working out as good as they had hoped
oh that's just ludicrous man, conspiracy talk..they would have ended the experiment had they not annihilated themselves in a war.. their equivalent of a nuclear weapon is the generation of a blackhole.. only both sides generated blackholes which collided and ended their entire galaxy..
Actually, no it's not.Considering our sun is only a medium size star.....
well we may have been part of that galaxy.. we're just fragments of energy spiraling out into the abyss..oh that's just ludicrous man, conspiracy talk..
[err, wait - can't be condescending]
hmm... interesting stuff man!
bingoDoes that have to do with the Large Hadron collider?
that would probably be sometime in the 70's...I mean when's the last time you tried to have a conversation with a worm or an ant?
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Shame on you for not paying attention in High School science classes. Our sun is a medium size star. There are stars that are waaay bigger than our sun such as the Betelgeuse star which is 700 times bigger and 14,000 times brighter.Actually, no it's not. View attachment 77430Carry on.