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Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
Hah, that's like comparing erase to tribulus. Definitely Pink Magic.Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
Lol i still don't understand what that means.So chingon we had to make it pink......
Is that so? Have you personally ran Free Test? I mean in order to give that kind of opinion you need to have personal experience with both products. Now if you have experience with both products and your stating that opinion then your entitled to that opinion so I have no problem with that, but if your saying that and just talking out of your ass well then you really can't make that determination.Hah, that's like comparing erase to tribulus. Definitely Pink Magic.
Although Free Test might give you a good feeling it won't give you relative strength or mass.
Oh come on. You know as well as I do Pink Magic will give you strength and mass far superior to free test. Acetyl-L-Carnitine and Resveratrol? Gimme' a break.Is that so? Have you personally ran Free Test? I mean in order to give that kind of opinion you need to have personal experience with both products. Now if you have experience with both products and your stating that opinion then your entitled to that opinion so I have no problem with that, but if your saying that and just talking out of your ass well then you really can't make that determination.
Cheers!:cheers:
Wow...strong lack of reasoning. :261:at:Oh come on. You know as well as I do Pink Magic will give you strength and mass far superior to free test. Acetyl-L-Carnitine and Resveratrol? Gimme' a break.
Well it sounds to me like you're a USP hater, seeing as how you're a rep for a competing company. Whether i'm a USP fan boy or not doesn't matter. Pink Magic works for building mass and strength better than Free Test. Period.Wow...strong lack of reasoning. :261:at:
You want me to give you a break? Are you kidding me? You put forth a lame ass explanation and opinion and don't back it up with any substance. If you didn't want to get picked on think before you type and actually provide useful feedback.
However, if you are a USPLABS fan boy then I can understand your opinion. Right now with the pattern of your words that is exactly what you sound like.
Regardless, don't come back with a weak ass explanation like that. Provide some valid reasoning.
Free Test is more than just ALCAR and T-Rez.
Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. :study:
http://www.appliednutriceuticals.com/product-free_test.php
Cheers!:cheers:
You would have to have used both and in similar conditions to answer this. And since everyone reacts differently to everything, what may work better for one individual may not work best for you.Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
FREE TEST actually gives great strength AND mass results - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/applied-nutriceuticals/155388-free-test-feedback.htmlAlthough Free Test might give you a good feeling it won't give you relative strength or mass.
Your not getting the point. If you believe that...that is fine. However, you need to provide some valid reasons as to why. Back up your opinions and you won't run into these problems.Look I'm done arguing. My opinion is that Pink Magic would work better than Free Test for the Op's Goals and situation. Whether you disagree with my opinion or not does not concern me, I'm only giving him my view. If you believe Free Test works better, then that's your opinion. Give the OP feedback on which you think is better for his predicament. That's all you have to do in this topic. Good Night.
Pink Magic dumbass:drillsergeant:Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
You know what could've saved all this trouble is if I had put "IMO" in my first post. I made it seem like a fact; but lazyness gets the best of me.Your not getting the point. If you believe that...that is fine. However, you need to provide some valid reasons as to why. Back up your opinions and you won't run into these problems.
If you could actually provide some scientific reasoning as to why you have the opinion you do then maybe your feedback would be taken more seriously. However, until you can provide some substance to back up your opinion then you are basically just talking out of your ass and providing a bullsh*t biased opinion.
I am not bashing Pink Magic or USPLABS...that isn't the point here and really I am not arguing about whether Free Test or Pink Magic is better...I am asking you to provide some evidence for making a case for Pink Magic.
Cheers!:cheers:
HaHaHa now that's one solid post! Wow lol. Reps for this.Pink Magic dumbass:drillsergeant:
I suggest you post the same question on bb.com, compare the responses you get there to the one's here and then prepared to be really confused :haha:Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
As stated above the way to really find out what works better for you is to try them both.LMFAO,
for the first time in life I have no response, pure silence and not many morons can do that to me.
OP the best way to figure this out is take each and try them for yourself.
listening to douchebags who have never tried the product run thier mouth is like competing against a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. its pointless.
I have not ran pink magic, i have no idea if stems and leaves will work
so what I suggest, is run one. take some time off run another and make your own educated decision.
How about Pink Magic with Erase?Which product is better for strength, mass, and overall feeling?
That's how I was going to roll but you know fuggin thieves in the mail system.How about Pink Magic with Erase?
So you have shown your strong scientific knowledge of the ingredient deck of Free Test. (End result you have proven you are clueless about them)Well it sounds to me like you're a USP hater, seeing as how you're a rep for a competing company. Whether i'm a USP fan boy or not doesn't matter. Pink Magic works for building mass and strength better than Free Test. Period.
Yes it is more than the two I mentioned; it has ZMA, Quercitin, and a form of DHEA. Wow. Quercitin is good but not for building good strength and mass.
The OP's question was which one would work better. Do you want me to say Free Test? He needs an answer, and a good one at that. Why would you tell him to spend his money on something that doesn't work well for his goals? Now if he were looking for a safe testosterone booster then you could safely say Free Test.
Cheers! :cheers:
I agree. Double the dollars into Jacob's pocketsHow about Pink Magic with Erase?
The active in Erase is one of the same actives in Free Test. I think this was originally discussed in the SuperHuman Radio interview, from what I have been told. I have yet to hear it myself though.That's how I was going to roll but you know fuggin thieves in the mail system.
Pink Magic does supply some pretty significant strength gains. So far using a HST program I have been able to put 15-35 lbs on almost all of my lifts and I'm about 15-20 lbs lighter than I was last time.
Samboz is right though, I can't compare something I haven't used, I only know one side of the story. Traditionally for me a good test booster will fall short of what Pink Magic displays in the way of strength.
Oh and what Natty says about stacking with and Estrogen control agent is a very solid idea for either product.
In that case free-test and erase may not be the right choice. One coud use it with Formestane but perhaps a lighter dose depending on how strong the estrogen inhibition is on Free Test.So you have shown your strong scientific knowledge of the ingredient deck of Free Test. (End result you have proven you are clueless about them)
Now, please proceed to explain the ingredients in Pink Magic and how they will better build mass and strength.
I agree. Double the dollars into Jacob's pockets
The active in Erase is one of the same actives in Free Test. I think this was originally discussed in the SuperHuman Radio interview, from what I have been told. I have yet to hear it myself though.
Might be another good option, I saw some good bloodwork on it in another thread.This thread is a Fustercluck..
What you're looking for is called Triazole.
Triazole definitely looks to be a solid product.Might be another good option, I saw some good bloodwork on it in another thread.
Good to hear man!That's how I was going to roll but you know fuggin thieves in the mail system.
Pink Magic does supply some pretty significant strength gains. So far using a HST program I have been able to put 15-35 lbs on almost all of my lifts and I'm about 15-20 lbs lighter than I was last time.
Samboz is right though, I can't compare something I haven't used, I only know one side of the story. Traditionally for me a good test booster will fall short of what Pink Magic displays in the way of strength.
Oh and what Natty says about stacking with and Estrogen control agent is a very solid idea for either product.
You could still use Free Test with Erase, you would just have to be careful with dosing. Probably only 1 capsule of Erase with a full dose of Free Test. You could call it super free test.In that case free-test and erase may not be the right choice. One coud use it with Formestane but perhaps a lighter dose depending on how strong the estrogen inhibition is on Free Test.
I agree all of these products need more feedback, and more stacks need more feedback. They are all still relatively newthis is great, i love it, it doesn't appear as anyone has tried both so no one has any clue what they are talking about....i'm going to use PM soon and i'd like to try Free Test but so far for me the best test booster in terms of strength and size has been Testopro
This thread is a Fustercluck..
What you're looking for is called Triazole.
Might be another good option, I saw some good bloodwork on it in another thread.
Triazole definitely looks to be a solid product.
Wow, unexpected but definately welcome support and feedback. Thanks fellas!!I'm insulin resistant and as a consequence my test levels fall into the low normal range. I ran pink magic on a six week cycle, saw no marked improvements, relative to increased test levels. Upon completion of the cycle, blood was drawn by endo with only a subtle increase in test levels. On Triazole I've noticed marked improvements in recovery, strength and libido within 5 days. Just sharing my experiences with respect to both products.
You can't go wrong with quality. Honestly, Free Test and Triazole are products worth using simply because there is legit science and evidence backing up the products, both Triazole and Free Test have blood work showing the effectiveness of each respective product.Wow, unexpected but definately welcome support and feedback. Thanks fellas!!
By both, what products are you referring to?Stacking both work?
LMFAO,
for the first time in life I have no response, pure silence and not many morons can do that to me. especially 165lb ones who have never ran the product yet tell me what it does lol
OP the best way to figure this out is take each and try them for yourself.
listening to douchebags who have never tried the product run thier mouth is like competing against a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. its pointless.
I have not ran pink magic, however I and many others have ran free test, with blood work to prove it
so what I suggest, is run one. take some time off run another and make your own educated decision.
..And this is one of the reasons you won 4 bodybuilding.com awards :goodpost:Our consumer base are all about 165 and trying to improve....I mean look at labane, seriously, he has made a transformation.
never understood the insult aspect of weight lifting as I know some 165lbers that would maul some 250lbers.
Not the brightest approach to insult your consumer base..
Huge reason for our success is that no one at USPlabs take the high and mighty approach. Who cares that you are a rep for a supplement company.
I own one and would rather chill with the 165lber than the egotistical bodybuilder still leaving with his mom.
While you guys are gossiping at trade shows, I'm chilling with the guys behind the supplement counter moving my product.
This attitude makes it extremely easy for us to be the brand of choice...
keep it up...PLEASE
Its funny that you try to twist his words against him. He wasn't putting you or your products down at all. Re-read with an open mind and you may note this.Our consumer base are all about 165 and trying to improve....I mean look at labane, seriously, he has made a transformation.
never understood the insult aspect of weight lifting (I'm bigger therefore I am smarter, therefore I am better than you and therefore i can insults you because i am bigger than you) as I know some 165lbers that would maul some 250lbers.
Not the brightest approach to insult your consumer base..
Huge reason for our success is that no one at USPlabs takes the high and mighty approach. Who cares that you are a rep for a supplement company. Who cares if you bench 400 and I bench 200. Who cares!
I own one and would rather chill with the 165lber than the egotistical bodybuilder still leaving with his mom.
While you guys are gossiping at trade shows, I'm chilling with the guys behind the supplement counter moving my product.
This attitude makes it extremely easy for us to be the brand of choice...
keep it up...PLEASE
Well actually..Its funny that you try to twist his words against him. He wasn't putting you or your products down at all. Re-read with an open mind and you may note this.
Originally Posted by Outside Backer
I have not ran pink magic, i have no idea if stems and leaves will work
I see that now. He obviously noticed his folly and corrected it quickly. USPLabs is known to use the edit function quite often as well. It's fair for the most part.Well actually..
That is what happens when you only listen to bb.com as the only source of feedback. Our reach extends much further...Nothing against Pink Magic... seems to be get an equal amount of amazing feedback as it does bad feedback. Worth a shot
So instead of educating on the ingredients on free test or posting links to logs as Rosie does SO WELL, he goes for the insult.I see that now. He obviously noticed his folly and corrected it quickly. USPLabs is known to use the edit function quite often as well. It's fair for the most part.
Joe's issue was with you poorly explaining Free Tests ingredients, dismissing them as inconsequential, and then touting the benefits of Pink Magic. If you noticed, I asked you to explain to us the actions of the ingredients in Pink Magic that make it so superior. If you're an expert in the product you oppose, I assume you are an equal expert in the product you support?
Nothing against Pink Magic... seems to be get an equal amount of amazing feedback as it does bad feedback. Worth a shot
Good thing I am reading and seeing a huge cross section of feedback, and not just BB.com.That is what happens when you only listen to bb.com as the only source of feedback. Our reach extends much further...
I have no issues on how you conduct business...keep it up!
What works for one does not work for the other...just like supplements, go figure.
If you had read my posts more carefully you would see that I am not anti-FreeTest I am simply Pro-PM when they are compared; especially on size and strength benefits. Most of the feedback from users I have read on FreeTest gave it low scores or average for strength gains run 25 days. If you look at Feedback for PM run 25 days it's 10's across the board for strength/recomp in majority of users.Joe's issue was with you poorly explaining Free Tests ingredients, dismissing them as inconsequential, and then touting the benefits of Pink Magic. If you noticed, I asked you to explain to us the actions of the ingredients in Pink Magic that make it so superior. If you're an expert in the product you oppose, I assume you are an equal expert in the product you support?
There is no insult there. Only someone looking for an insult would see one in the post you quoted. I was simply challenging him to continue with his argument to show why Pink Magic is the superior product, based on his label analysis.So instead of educating on the ingredients on free test or posting links to logs as Rosie does SO WELL, he goes for the insult.
If that is what sells keep selling it....
for the record, Many of your products come from stems and leaves and even roots and berries...the most ignorant attack of PM magic to date....as many. if not ALL supplements are an extract of something naturally occurring...
I'm tickled that you are paying such close attention....Good thing I am reading and seeing a huge cross section of feedback, and not just BB.com.
Glad you have no issues; carrying on.
I agree. I never said anything to the contrary, but rephrasing what i did say is kinda.... well..... pointless?
My point is simply that you didn't leave it at anecdotal evidence.If you had read my posts more carefully you would see that I am not anti-FreeTest I am simply Pro-PM when they are compared; especially on size and strength benefits. Most of the feedback from users I have read on FreeTest gave it low scores or average for strength gains run 25 days. If you look at Feedback for PM run 25 days it's 10's across the board for strength/recomp in majority of users.
Go ahead, ask me to provide evidence. I could sit here all night posting detailed comparisons in relation to strength gains and PM would win 90% of the time. And the OP asked which would be more suited for him regarding strength so that was my reason for saying "definitely pink magic" in my first post.
Great point. On a side note I have personally witnessed many MMA athletes weighing well over 190lbs, get in a boxing ring to spar, in order to work on technique, and get their a$$es lit up by guys weighing 130lbs. Size means nada. Anyone touting their size as a means to put someone else down, is a cornball.Our consumer base are all about 165 and trying to improve....I mean look at labane, seriously, he has made a transformation.
never understood the insult aspect of weight lifting (I'm bigger therefore I am smarter, therefore I am better than you and therefore i can insults you because i am bigger than you) as I know some 165lbers that would maul some 250lbers.
Not the brightest approach to insult your consumer base..
Huge reason for our success is that no one at USPlabs takes the high and mighty approach. Who cares that you are a rep for a supplement company. Who cares if you bench 400 and I bench 200. Who cares!
I own one and would rather chill with the 165lber than the egotistical bodybuilder still leaving with his mom.
While you guys are gossiping at trade shows, I'm chilling with the guys behind the supplement counter moving my product.
This attitude makes it extremely easy for us to be the brand of choice...
keep it up...PLEASE
I pay attention to dozens of companies. No need to be flattered; or tickled as you put it.I'm tickled that you are paying such close attention....
Free Test great name beyond that not much more that I can comment on...well, I do wish it success.
StalkerYou make it sound as if you yourself pop into threads and explain the science behind Prime and Pink Magic? Have yet to see this occur.
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