On cycle: What will help "bring me down" in the evenings. WIRED!

[Whacked]

Running a very mild cycle of 40 mg of var/day

Usually go to bed at 10 pm or so; passout and sleep fine!

Now: I'm staring at the ceiling WIRED until midnite then waking up exhausted.

Only 14 days in. This began at day 7.

Some info:
--All stims taken in the morning as I work out at 7am
--Var dosed: 20mg at 6 am and 20mg at 3pm
--USP PowerFULL at night (have been for over a year -works great)
--I tried: Theanine+Tryptophan - they are not helping. They make me relaxed but dont help me fall sleep
--Im 40+
--VERY experienced gear user but have been OFF for years (other than 150/week Cyp-TRT)


Any advice?

Is it my adrenals!?!? OR Cortisol!???

 

[Whacked]

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[wedlund6]

try moving 2nd dose of var to 1 pm. do a short cardio after dinner i find when im on cycle and take a day off i can not sleep its like i have to burn it off by working out then i sleep fine. you working out in the morning then getting joj all day has you pritty pumped at night.
somnidren works good for me

 

[Whacked]

Will certainly try it. Getting desperate

 

[CrazyChemist]

Valerian root calming blend - they taste like **** but put me to sleep quick.

 

[Quinc]

Taurine pretty damn cheap too.

 

[GregW]

Are you consuming ANY caffeinated beverages within 5-6 hours of going to sleep? Even one diet coke 3 hrs before bed will make it difficult for me to fall asleep.

Also, odd as it may sound, I find giving myself a foot massage for 5 minutes makes me relaxed and sleepy.

 

[CrazyChemist]

Are you consuming ANY caffeinated beverages within 5-6 hours of going to sleep? Even one diet coke 3 hrs before bed will make it difficult for me to fall asleep.

Also, odd as it may sound, I find giving myself a foot massage for 5 minutes makes me relaxed and sleepy.

Yeah you giving me a foot massage for 5 minutes sounds like a great way to get to bed, lol. Although i'd rather it be rosie or guesjn :fing02:.

 

[GregW]

i heard ur feet were stinky. ;P

 

[thebigt]

Running a very mild cycle of 40 mg of var/day

Usually go to bed at 10 pm or so; passout and sleep fine!

Now: I'm staring at the ceiling WIRED until midnite then waking up exhausted.

Only 14 days in. This began at day 7.

Some info:
--All stims taken in the morning as I work out at 7am
--Var dosed: 20mg at 6 am and 20mg at 3pm
--USP PowerFULL at night (have been for over a year -works great)
--I tried: Theanine+Tryptophan - they are not helping. They make me relaxed but dont help me fall sleep
--Im 40+
--VERY experienced gear user but have been OFF for years (other than 150/week Cyp-TRT)


Any advice?

Is it my adrenals!?!? OR Cortisol!???

you have been on powerful for a year straight???

as far as sleep goes somnidren!!!

 

[monstermash]

try moving 2nd dose of var to 1 pm. do a short cardio after dinner i find when im on cycle and take a day off i can not sleep its like i have to burn it off by working out then i sleep fine. you working out in the morning then getting joj all day has you pritty pumped at night.
somnidren works good for me

I don't believe it has to do with the dose timing.

Valerian root calming blend - they taste like **** but put me to sleep quick.

This works great for me as well. Valerian is cheap and effective. Also Melatonin for the duration of the cycle won't kill you 1-2mg 1hour prebed should do the trick. One nice thing about valerian is that you can use it during the day too.

If the var is legit i doubt it's what is keeping you up.in my opinion I'd try an anti-cortisol product and see if anything changes.

Being a "very experienced" gear user have you ever had this problem with var before? How long have you been on TRT?

 

[Whacked]

Yes sir

Instead of getting on HGH for life, I decided to go the natty route. Im over 40.

you have been on powerful for a year straight???

 

[Whacked]

You bring up a dammm good point.

As much as I assumed my stuff is 100%legit; I've never experienced this before fromn Var. I just attributed it to getting OLD (lol) and not being able to handle/mitigate some of the effects of gear ther same way.

Being a "very experienced" gear user have you ever had this problem with var before? How long have you been on TRT?

 

[CrazyChemist]

i heard ur feet were stinky. ;P

tis true.



OP - I actually don't smoke much marijuana but when i do i sleep pretty great.

 

[Whacked]

Would relora help?

 

[criticalbench]

1 gram valarian root, or 500mg l-theanine.. both work wonders for me.

 

[tsantsa]

Melatonin. Helps me when I can't sleep. Figuring out your effective dosage and timing might be crucial though. I take 1.5 mg (half of a 3 mg pill) 2 to 3 times a week sometimes. You aren't supposed to take it every night from what I know.

 

[Screwtape]

Phenibut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut

 

[TxHomeGrown]

Xanax or Temazepam

 

[Rhyno]

Would relora help?

It tends to keep me awake but it may have a different effect on you. Imo, bacopa would be a better choice in terms of adaptogens.