The_Old_Guy
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You aren't really expecting continued, serious discussion after that passive-aggressive ending, are you? LOL.But it is you after all..
You aren't really expecting continued, serious discussion after that passive-aggressive ending, are you? LOL.But it is you after all..
You might want to tapper down.... Im personally going for 25/25/20/20 (maybe 15 the last week).I am giving clomid a ttry starting the 1st at 25 mg per day for 5 weeks and then get bloods
That is not necessary at all.You might want to tapper down.... Im personally going for 25/25/20/20 (maybe 15 the last week).
Just curious, why would you say that? Tapering down allows your body to adapt to having a lower percent of the drug in your system vs. stopping all at once... but ill admit, I could be missing something here.That is not necessary at all.
There's a phrase that goes: "Just because something doesn't happen, doesn't mean it's because of what you're doing"Just curious, why would you say that? Tapering down allows your body to adapt to having a lower percent of the drug in your system vs. stopping all at once... but ill admit, I could be missing something here.
Some more on benefits of Estrogen:Castro MR, Nguyen TT, O'Brien T. Clomiphene-induced severe hypertriglyceridemia and pancreatitis. Mayo Clin Proc 1999;74(11):1125-8.
Clomiphene has been available for clinical use since 1960 and has been successfully used to aid fertility in women with certain anovulatory disorders. It is a synthetic estrogen analog, of the triphenylethylene derivative group, and its biochemical structure is similar to that of tamoxifen. Estrogen and tamoxifen lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and increase triglyceride and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels. In patients with baseline hypertriglyceridemia, these agents can induce severe hypertriglyceridemia and pancreatitis. The actions of clomiphene on lipid metabolism have not been studied, and to our knowledge, no cases of severe hypertriglyceridemia related to the use of clomiphene have been described. We report the case of a woman who developed 2 episodes of clomiphene-induced hypertriglyceridemia and pancreatitis while receiving this drug for treatment of infertility. Given the striking structural similarity between clomiphene and tamoxifen, it is likely that clomiphene is capable of inducing severe hypertriglyceridemia in patients with certain underlying lipid disorders by a mechanism similar to that of tamoxifen.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044663From a scientific perspective a huge 2011 case study gave young men (average age 29) with low testosterone levels clomid for an average of 19 months. It proved that continued clomid administration can maintain testosterone levels within normal range with minimal (if any) side effects. They gave the men varying doses but all were between 25 to 50 mg’s every other day. You can see the before and after results in various hormonal markers in this chart **(See Chart Below)**
One thing you might notice from the chart above is an increase in estradiol or “bad estrogen”. This is a common occurance with the administration of any SERM, simply because a SERM blocks the action of estrogen at the hypothalamus. The body responds by increasing circulating estrogen. This isn’t inherently bad, a new paper showed men with higher estrogen levels (and testosterone levels) had a better libido than men with just high testosterone levels.
The one problem with higher estrogen levels is a believed reduction in bone density. This is the same reason why women are more susceptible to osteoporosis (higher lifetime estrogen levels). But in men it seems to work a bit differently. Again a large case study in 2011 gave older men clomid (same dose as previous study) for 3 plus years and measured bone density. They found that clomid had no negative effect on bone density, and if anything it was improved.
To be blunt, because you just don't need to. I've used Clomid many times now up through 100mg, typically 20-50mg depending on time in PCT. 25mg may be plenty of Clomid for best effects, but it's a small amount as far as sides go. Generally anyone who tolerates Clomid normally won't feel the difference between 5mg adjustments. Due to its half-life, the drug will naturally taper off a little before totally vacating the system upon cessation of usage.Just curious, why would you say that? Tapering down allows your body to adapt to having a lower percent of the drug in your system vs. stopping all at once... but ill admit, I could be missing something here.
Another thing to consider is if you get thru a month and things still don't seem back up to speed, who am I to say you shouldn't go on longer? Your individual mileage may vary, as they say.The_Old_Guy Hyde
Well that clarifies things, thanks. The shelf life, and natal tapper is def the strongest argument. Looks like Ill be sticking with 25 for 4 weeks.
most of the studies I've seen are at least 6 weeks.... that's usually the shortest timeline I recommend for PCT.Another thing to consider is if you get thru a month and things still don't seem back up to speed, who am I to say you shouldn't go on longer? Your individual mileage may vary, as they say.
I like 6-8 weeks myself.. is that good mileage ? :stooges:Another thing to consider is if you get thru a month and things still don't seem back up to speed, who am I to say you shouldn't go on longer? Your individual mileage may vary, as they say.
I'm usually taking something for about 6 weeks myselfI like 6-8 weeks myself.. is that good mileage ? :stooges:
based off what I've seen/read, I think clomid could definitely give you a boost.... it just depends on other factors, as to why your testosterone was low in the first place...I just got my blood work back and everything looked good, test at 499.
I talked my Dr in to give me a month dose of Clomid at 25mg ed.
I been on trt in the past but stopped because I wanted another kid, have no desire to go back on test since my levels is in normal range, when I started trt it was low 200...
What you guys think of a month of Clomid, it should give me a noticeable "boost" right, or should I do a oral short cycle before?
I don't want shutdown myself too much, but miss being "on"
I been "off" any PED for almost 2 years and why my test was so low was because I was losing an extreme amount of weight in a very short period of time, I could turned it around but at the time it made sense to go on trt. I have better lifestyle now with a balanced diet.based off what I've seen/read, I think clomid could definitely give you a boost.... it just depends on other factors, as to why your testosterone was low in the first place...
It's worth a shot, since your doc gave it to you anyway... the only issue is, when you come off, your levels are apt to go back to where there are now.
Same here....also will throw some sustain alpha in there.Will be PCTing with enclomid in about 6-7 weeks.
Seems people were getting into the 600's pretty easy in those studies with 12.5 mg ED of enclomiphene.Will be PCTing with enclomid in about 6-7 weeks.
FWIW,
I had low T numbers about a year ago (285).... I used clomid and arimidex and brought them up to 895 in 6 weeks, and they stayed there for about a year.
however, later on I was dabbling with DHEA in raising my E2 (which was very low), and my T numbers are back down now, even tho I ran a PCT after the DHEA.
my plan is to give enclomiphene a trial, and see how that goes.... the unfortunate thing, is it is becoming clear that I might need to stay on that long term, or transition to a convention TRT regimen.
Sweet, you went the pharma route?Same here....also will throw some sustain alpha in there.
Research chemical- but a good reputation one.Sweet, you went the pharma route?
Where did you get your clomid from?Didn't really have an enjoyable and noticeable experience with clomid.
Ran a 10 week cycle of Osta at 25mg ed with OL cycle support. Great gains but libido tanked.
Ran clomid for pct at 50//25/25/25/12.5 with sustain alpha, inhibit-p and OL pct support. I feel that clomd did nothing for me. Libido took months to fully recover.
Posted about it and a couple of guys mentioned that had gotten same results with clomid.
Will be trying Nolva next time.
I was gonna ask the same...Where did you get your clomid from?
Like Afi140 already said, I would question the source instead of blaming Clomid.Didn't really have an enjoyable and noticeable experience with clomid.
Ran a 10 week cycle of Osta at 25mg ed with OL cycle support. Great gains but libido tanked.
Ran clomid for pct at 50//25/25/25/12.5 with sustain alpha, inhibit-p and OL pct support. I feel that clomd did nothing for me. Libido took months to fully recover.
Posted about it and a couple of guys mentioned that had gotten same results with clomid.
Will be trying Nolva next time.
its just you bro... I love that combo!!!I repeat DO NOT take viagra while taking clomid..... it's very uncomfortable.....
It was awful man, 5 days in to my pct.... kinda stuff you have nightmares aboutits just you bro... I love that combo!!!
How so?I repeat DO NOT take viagra while taking clomid..... it's very uncomfortable.....
Issues tend to.... arise... if you know what I meanHow so?
I've never take Viagra, but I thought the whole point was to "arise" Are you saying stuff just doesn't wear off after you finish? If that is the case, then its sounds like round 2 is around the corner, hahaIssues tend to.... arise... if you know what I mean
Probably just me tho but still it was awful
Yeah I don't see the problem at all. That's why I'd take it lolI've never take Viagra, but I thought the whole point was to "arise" Are you saying stuff just doesn't wear off after you finish? If that is the case, then its sounds like round 2 is around the corner, haha
I don't see sides to be honest but a week in from what I've heardHow long until you normally see the emotional sides?
I've got them after 4 days. It always takes me back 6 years or so tho, always find myself thinking about an old girlfriend and things her happened so long ago.... it's very strange
I am only doing 25mg with 20mg nolva atm coz it gets me bad... seems strange how always goes back to same point in my life.... maybe it's subconscious heyI don't see sides to be honest but a week in from what I've heard
Probably something subconscious but idk I haven't taken psych in years.I am only doing 25mg with 20mg nolva atm coz it gets me bad... seems strange how always goes back to same point in my life.... maybe it's subconscious hey
From a chemist who works all day in India.Where did you get your clomid from?
Everyone has one bigger than the other, it will prob just be magnified by the clomid as they are coming back.... IMOSo I am on day 12 of clomid @25, and noticed my left nut is much larger. I never noticed this the last time I ran it, is this normal, there is no pain.
Thats what I was thinking, but after them feeling like I stepped into the cold for 2-months, I was like... Holy Sh*t, I got some big balls now!Everyone has one bigger than the other, it will prob just be magnified by the clomid as they are coming back.... IMO
Famous Chinese Proverb - "One Hung Lo"Everyone has one bigger than the other, it will prob just be magnified by the clomid as they are coming back.... IMO
I'm about 3 weeks in, and not noticing too much yet. 25 mg/day.... I also never got sides on regular Clomid (but I keep the dose to 25 mg/day as well), so I can't tell much difference.Trying a research chemical enclomiphene now and will let you know how that product compares to regular clomiphene with the sides. Supposed to be a lot better. Only running 12.5mg a day. I did feel some ache in the balls after three days now and had some libido earlier so that's a good sign. This is after a short Epistane/dermacrine cycle.
I'm 2 weeks in, 25mg/day as well, unfortunately haven't been able to lift as hard as would of liked to the last couple of weeks so have not gained anything, wasn't expecting too much but if get a 100-200 jump in test I'm happy, guess only blood work will tell...I'm about 3 weeks in, and not noticing too much yet. 25 mg/day.... I also never got sides on regular Clomid (but I keep the dose to 25 mg/day as well), so I can't tell much difference.
I'm planning on getting bloodwork in a couple weeks and will be able to update on the effect on my TT, LH, FSH, etc...
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