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My headache is a light, but there.Were is the headache at? Base of the skull, behind the eyes, more in the temples, etc.?
It's the temple of my head, and a little behind the head.
My headache is a light, but there.Were is the headache at? Base of the skull, behind the eyes, more in the temples, etc.?
Is it safe to do that?...just stop taking them for a day? Ad then take just 1andro and then 4-AD later in the day?stop taking anything for a day, or until your headaches leave then -
take ONE product only...for example, the 1-a only by itself, and see if it gives you the headaches...if its fine, then stop the 1-a and then take the 4ad by itself and see if that gives you the headaches...
so by process of elimination, between the two, you can deduce which could be the culprit leading to your headaches
Totally agree with you steam on this process of elimination.stop taking anything for a day, or until your headaches leave then -
take ONE product only...for example, the 1-a only by itself, and see if it gives you the headaches...if its fine, then stop the 1-a and then take the 4ad by itself and see if that gives you the headaches...
so by process of elimination, between the two, you can deduce which could be the culprit leading to your headaches
How much did you increase your calorie intake from baseline to where you are now?does any LG rep want to give me a little input on my post?
about my (only) 3.5lbs gains so far?
i'm very disappointed so far and if things don't improve, won't be recommending this to anyone...
Yeah I saw that part but didn't see your baseline of 2500-2700. It seems that you increased by quite a bit so that shouldn't be an issue of not getting enough. Not sure why you are not gaining with a surplus of almost 1000 cal.It was written in my post: 3500 cal/day
Before i would eat around 2500-2700 cal/day
Macros: 50%C - 30%P - 20%F
And once I do this, and find out what one causing the problem.....then what?wouldnt I be wasting money and a cycle?Totally agree with you steam on this process of elimination.
If you're just starting out and you only stop one product for a day or two, you should be alright.And once I do this, and find out what one causing the problem.....then what?wouldnt I be wasting money and a cycle?
If you are using a bioelectrical impedance analysis scale or hand held device to come to this conclusion, it's wrong since those devices are notorious for being inaccurate and subject to variation by so many different factors including hydration level / body water.overall I gained a lot of weight...went from 183 to 192 solid body weight BUT my BF % device tells me only 3.5 lbs of lean mass gain...so I've put 5.5 lbs of fat, almost 2 lbs of fat for each of lean mass...
I don't know if it's my workout routine...i'm basically doing compounds, should I switch to a 4-day split for example?
I was "dreaming" of having 10-15 lbs of gain in two weeks, but after the first week splurge of 3.5 lbs I got stuck and it seems I won't be able to achieve my goal!
of course!Is it safe to do that?...just stop taking them for a day? Ad then take just 1andro and then 4-AD later in the day?
hence, as you correctly worded, "dreaming" ...its hard to put that much weight on even if you were on pure TEST...overall I gained a lot of weight...went from 183 to 192 solid body weight BUT my BF % device tells me only 3.5 lbs of lean mass gain...so I've put 5.5 lbs of fat, almost 2 lbs of fat for each of lean mass...
I don't know if it's my workout routine...i'm basically doing compounds, should I switch to a 4-day split for example?
I was "dreaming" of having 10-15 lbs of gain in two weeks, but after the first week splurge of 3.5 lbs I got stuck and it seems I won't be able to achieve my goal!
no disrespect, but you're comparing apples and oranges here...Steam I agree with you, and indeed my gains in terms of weights were amazing.
I'm disappointed because I expected to achieve the same results described here by the member "BeastFitness1" when he said he could get 10lbs of one cycle.
I had some good lean mass gain and also I gained a lot of fat, and that imo I could get just by doing the diet i'm doing alone without the product.
The weight gains I don't know, I'll know when I'm off cycle and be able to tell if they did persist.
That's where I am disappointed, please don't get me wrong. Hope I explained myself.
Answering another questions, my muscles feel fuller and harder.
What's the point of the eliminating what ones causing the problem, because if I find out which one it is, it would hurt my cycle and I would of wasted money.If you're just starting out and you only stop one product for a day or two, you should be alright.
Yes, if you do eliminate one of them, the money you spent on that one would be "wasted." If you think of it this way though, what is more important to you, your money or your health? There is also the supplement auction sub-forum where you could trade or sell. Let take a look at some things and I'll get back.What's the point of the eliminating what ones causing the problem, because if I find out which one it is, it would hurt my cycle and I would of wasted money.
Also, I'll be checking my BP again today, but if it's not rising, what should I do about the headaches?
Also, what's causing it?...meaning about the PH...do they thin the blood? Increase blood flow, etc?....if they thinned my blood wouldn't it flow easier and no cause headaches.
I get headaches from time to time, but not like this constant...flutter of pain.
If I remember correct, you are using the AMS 4-AD Rde right? I'm not seeing anything in that that should be causing your headaches unless you are having a mild allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in one of the products. With your BP being what it is, I'm not thinking that it is related to that, I am leaning more to a reaction to one (or a combination of more) of the compounds or ingredients in the delivery systems of either of the products.What's the point of the eliminating what ones causing the problem, because if I find out which one it is, it would hurt my cycle and I would of wasted money.
Also, I'll be checking my BP again today, but if it's not rising, what should I do about the headaches?
Also, what's causing it?...meaning about the PH...do they thin the blood? Increase blood flow, etc?....if they thinned my blood wouldn't it flow easier and no cause headaches.
I get headaches from time to time, but not like this constant...flutter of pain.
These results could be achieved without supps hard workout and good food.My expectations were not 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks, but in one cycle of 4-6 weeks like someone from here who used the product affirmed to have gained.
I can't see that gain coming since i'm on the mid of my 3rd week and still stuck at 3.5 lbs of gain. Can't imagine gaining another 10 lbs in another 3 weeks only.
And about the device, I use a handheld which was always pretty close to the caliper measurement and always measure at the same time upon waking. Even if the measurement is off, what matters to me is the difference of the before and the now, and that's 3.5 lbs of lean mass.
Thanks man.If I remember correct, you are using the AMS 4-AD Rde right? I'm not seeing anything in that that should be causing your headaches unless you are having a mild allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in one of the products. With your BP being what it is, I'm not thinking that it is related to that, I am leaning more to a reaction to one (or a combination of more) of the compounds or ingredients in the delivery systems of either of the products.
How much water are you drinking per day? That could also be the culprit. While on any PH, water consumption needs to increase.Thanks man.
My headache are getting more mild, but they are still there....they don't keep me from doing things or working out though. I go for a week before I see what's causing it, just because it's getting more mild.... And drinking water really helps with the severity of the headache.
And yes it's the AMS 4-AD.
Today I had a bitch of a back pump though....my lower back was really big....
I am starting to think it my diet.How much water are you drinking per day? That could also be the culprit. While on any PH, water consumption needs to increase.
yeah, those are some pretty good gains. i'm happy if i can put on 10lbs in a year (without ph's, of course). my friend is on the 17-pro and said its just now starting to kick in around week 2.5, so just give it some time.@ brucebarrera:
you gained 3.5 lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks? thats alot considering most guys dont gain that in the coarse of a yr.
you got stronger too? look buddy, for a 2 step PH you are doing good. if you want bigger gains from the product you will likely need to increase the dosage as well as amount of times you dose per day.
at 6-2 you could prolly eat 5k per day and switch it around a bit to hit a more protien everyday and increase the healthy fats as well upto 10g of fish oils per day!
also change your split to goto the gym 5 days per week mon-fri and just relax on the weekend.
if this is your first run at PHs you will find, even with methylated DSs and AAS you typically dont know what to expect OR do. you will get better at cycleing each time you do one. :fingersx:
thanks for the reply xR1pp3Rx!@ brucebarrera:
you gained 3.5 lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks? thats alot considering most guys dont gain that in the coarse of a yr.
you got stronger too? look buddy, for a 2 step PH you are doing good. if you want bigger gains from the product you will likely need to increase the dosage as well as amount of times you dose per day.
at 6-2 you could prolly eat 5k per day and switch it around a bit to hit a more protien everyday and increase the healthy fats as well upto 10g of fish oils per day!
also change your split to goto the gym 5 days per week mon-fri and just relax on the weekend.
if this is your first run at PHs you will find, even with methylated DSs and AAS you typically dont know what to expect OR do. you will get better at cycleing each time you do one. :fingersx:
Which results? the 10lbs in 6 weeks or the 3.5lbs in 3 weeks?These results could be achieved without supps hard workout and good food.
So true Luke my health is way more important than 40-50$ or whatever the cost. I had a similar problem and what I did was sold it to a buddy off me at the gym he had no issues with that particular product and I no longer have headaches so any way that's my little story.Yes, if you do eliminate one of them, the money you spent on that one would be "wasted." If you think of it this way though, what is more important to you, your money or your health? There is also the supplement auction sub-forum where you could trade or sell. Let take a look at some things and I'll get back.
That's awesome bro what LG products you using right now?this in 3 weeks
I gained around 3.5lbs of lean mass...and around 2.5% of body fat.
Well I guess I missed that part well just remember everybody is diff. And his gains are his gains you just need to focus in what works for you supps or no supps. That feeling when you get that right is AWESOME. This is about you not everybody else.Beast, he was replying to me showing what can be done without sups...
And I don't think this is awesome...
how old are you and what are your genetics like? at 6'2 182, it seems like you probably have bad genetics, which i know A LOT about (probably more than most people on this forum, haha). i can gain weight if i eat a ton, but a LOT of it is fat (even when eating clean), and i can lose weight when doing cardio, but a LOT of it is muscle (even when doing cardio/dieting the 'right' way).Beast, he was replying to me showing what can be done without sups...
And I don't think this is awesome...
I'm 34 years old.how old are you and what are your genetics like? at 6'2 182, it seems like you probably have bad genetics, which i know A LOT about (probably more than most people on this forum, haha). i can gain weight if i eat a ton, but a LOT of it is fat (even when eating clean), and i can lose weight when doing cardio, but a LOT of it is muscle (even when doing cardio/dieting the 'right' way).
like he said, everyone is different. i ask your age/experience, because after a while, you just realize what you personally can achieve. i know people that can gain insane amounts of strength and lean body mass by just over training, not doing cardio, and eating 3 meals of fast food a day (while maintaining a 6 pack) whereas people like me can eat 5-6 meals, clean, count calories, do specific weightlifting/cardio routines, and not gain nearly as much/can't get rid of the 'soft' look.
you've gotta take into account genetics along with what you're using. i have no experience with ph's, but this stuff is mild. if you have crappy genetics, a mild ph isn't going to give you crazy gains. i mean, i've seen people put on over 20 lbs lbm in 4 weeks on some crazy stuff, but to me, that's not worth risking my health. i think you've just got to realize that in the world of working out, life isn't fair haha. also, when you see people making the crazy gains that you seem to want, realize they're most likely on some pretty heavy stuff, and also probably have some pretty decent genetics.
not everyone can do it... myself included
I can't speak for either of those from personal experience. I haven't heard good things about the A-HD though. I won't get into that. Ones that I have tried that I liked were Prime, Titanium, T-911 caps (never used the liquid) and PCT Revolution Black to name a few. I really like the PCT Revolution Black but would not run that along side the Form-XT as it would dry you out way too much.What is good test boosters to run PCT?
I will be running form-XT and DAA....but what's another test booster to stack?
Maybe a-hd? Or animal stak? Etc
1-t/ 1 andro pro hormones don't truly kick in hard till weeks three and four. Your best gains have yet to come. If I responded late or misread your post and your further into your cycle then I thought then please disregard.overall I gained a lot of weight...went from 183 to 192 solid body weight BUT my BF % device tells me only 3.5 lbs of lean mass gain...so I've put 5.5 lbs of fat, almost 2 lbs of fat for each of lean mass...
I don't know if it's my workout routine...i'm basically doing compounds, should I switch to a 4-day split for example?
I was "dreaming" of having 10-15 lbs of gain in two weeks, but after the first week splurge of 3.5 lbs I got stuck and it seems I won't be able to achieve my goal!
I'm looking for a test booster, prime just seems like a pro anabolic, and I'll look into the other ones.I can't speak for either of those from personal experience. I haven't heard good things about the A-HD though. I won't get into that. Ones that I have tried that I liked were Prime, Titanium, T-911 caps (never used the liquid) and PCT Revolution Black to name a few. I really like the PCT Revolution Black but would not run that along side the Form-XT as it would dry you out way too much.
T-911 caps is a great choice IMO. Never tried the other two so I guess this is as far as my I put goes. LolI can't speak for either of those from personal experience. I haven't heard good things about the A-HD though. I won't get into that. Ones that I have tried that I liked were Prime, Titanium, T-911 caps (never used the liquid) and PCT Revolution Black to name a few. I really like the PCT Revolution Black but would not run that along side the Form-XT as it would dry you out way too much.
More importantly should I run a natty test booster during my pct?T-911 caps is a great choice IMO. Never tried the other two so I guess this is as far as my I put goes. Lol
All I used was the formxt so really the choice is up to you and as I said earlier I would use T-911 if I was gonna use one. But IMO the formxt is powerful enough.More importantly should I run a natty test booster during my pct?
I've heard yes and no, but majority of it being yes....i now form-XT is a powerful AI if i remember right, and DAA is a test booster.
But people tell me also get a test booster to be safe.
formxt + daa + serm = recovery from any cycleThis is completely unrelated....but on my next PH cycle, I'm going down the methyl road (just to see) and I'll be using a SERM.
Now, do you stack an AI and SERM? Based on my research that seems counter active....what do you guys think?