I need a caffiene free supp that is going to fill me with rage!!!!! please

[planetfuzz]

I tried 17-hd a few years back. LOVED the feeling it gave me but later did some research on it and that's not an option.

RPM is amazing but I don't handle caffeine well.

There was a thread on this somewhere before but I can't find it.

I need a supplement that is not necessarily going to give me energy but more focus and drive. Something that is going to make me want to break the weights over my head and then smash out the mirrors after a set. Drive by AN and BlueUp by CL look good but there might be some good home brews you guys know about.

 

[jacobcoile]

have you looked at Prime yet? I had a great motivational feeling on it combined with powerfull. I train BJJ/wrestling and those two really had me agressive, (not moody or angry really), but I was certainly in a very attacking mood which is not really how I normally am ( I am usually laid back and give back what is given in sparring).

 

[SilentBob187]

Off the top of my head

Maybe a bulk Horny Goat Weed product
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/horny-goat-weed-20-50-grams.html

Or Drive
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/applied-nutriceuticals/drive-110-caps.html

 

[josephd79]

two ideas

I love Axis Labs' Hypertest. I take 4 at night and 2 b4 workout. Trust me, by day 3 you'll be horny showing test levels are up. Expensive, but I used it daily for months.

I also love Dymatize Xpand... there is a non caffeine version whereas Energized Xpand has caffeine so don't get that one. It provides pump, BCAAs and energy.

Caffeine is horrible. I'm addicted. I need a Monster Energy Drink in the morning and, if I don't, I get headaches and lethargic. Stay away from it.

 

[12STEP]

i love monster energy drinks.

 

[dexterium]

I agree with using Prime. It will give you that alpha male feeling and give you a lot of aggression and confidence. Also, the strength gains and pumps are great. Many people have set personal records for strength while using Prime.

 

[MasterFlexx]

You could try Ragnarok Caffeine Free. I bougth a tub of it and although the mixability is a little grainy and kinda feels like your drinking very fine liquid sand it worked for me pretty well. :thumbsup:

 

[Big BAMA]

Caffiene free that gives you rage? GET MARRIED!

 

[The Tanya]

I tried 17-hd a few years back. LOVED the feeling it gave me but later did some research on it and that's not an option.

RPM is amazing but I don't handle caffeine well.

There was a thread on this somewhere before but I can't find it.

I need a supplement that is not necessarily going to give me energy but more focus and drive. Something that is going to make me want to break the weights over my head and then smash out the mirrors after a set. Drive by AN and BlueUp by CL look good but there might be some good home brews you guys know about.

You've got to try Drive! You will not be sorry and we give free samples! [email protected]

Seriously, it's great for aggression, pump and test boosting!

 

[jsp0785]

I tried 17-hd a few years back. LOVED the feeling it gave me but later did some research on it and that's not an option.

RPM is amazing but I don't handle caffeine well.

There was a thread on this somewhere before but I can't find it.

I need a supplement that is not necessarily going to give me energy but more focus and drive. Something that is going to make me want to break the weights over my head and then smash out the mirrors after a set. Drive by AN and BlueUp by CL look good but there might be some good home brews you guys know about.

just take beta alanine

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Lg Mmv2

 

[jsp0785]

I tried 17-hd a few years back. LOVED the feeling it gave me but later did some research on it and that's not an option.

RPM is amazing but I don't handle caffeine well.

There was a thread on this somewhere before but I can't find it.

I need a supplement that is not necessarily going to give me energy but more focus and drive. Something that is going to make me want to break the weights over my head and then smash out the mirrors after a set. Drive by AN and BlueUp by CL look good but there might be some good home brews you guys know about.

can i ask why 17HD is not an option?

 

[Big BAMA]

can i ask why 17HD is not an option?

cause he realized it's crap and overpriced probably.:thumbsup:

 

[just93]

yah, i dont like to say it but i tried 17-hd and all it did was give me an energy boost......i could have gotten that from a cup of coffee

 

[planetfuzz]

can i ask why 17HD is not an option?

It made me insanely horny after my workout but I read somewhere that one of the ingrediants raised estrogen. I mainly don't want to use it cause it's almost 80 bucks. :run:

Maybe a bulk Horny Goat Weed product
Horny Goat Weed 20% (50 grams) By: NutraPlanet

I actually thought about that. I noticed Icariin was in RPM so I researched it a little. How would I go about even dosing it?

 

[jakellpet]

I agree with using Prime. It will give you that alpha male feeling and give you a lot of aggression and confidence. Also, the strength gains and pumps are great. Many people have set personal records for strength while using Prime.

one better than that Dex - try a ReCreate/Prime combo - real clean energy - could sleep 3 hrs postWO no problem :thumbsup:

 

[lilGiant]

just take beta alanine

Bingo!!!!

If you are looking to get hyped up w/out the caffine get some beta alanine and waxy maize starch. Take one serving of beta alanine, w/ 40 g of waxy about 20 minutes prior to working out. If this is not an option for you, ALRi has a supplement called zero stim. I will be preping for a a regional show begining here in a couple weeks, and because i am very caffine sensitive i will be taking this for a fat burner. No caffine is added, it burns fat, and is all natural.

 

[BabyHulk]

Hey Bama, I have been looking for the strap and cannot find that mother anywhere. You don't mind telling me where you found one huh?

And to everyone that has helped me in the past, thanks. Sorry to take such a hiatus from this wonderful forum. I'm back now.

 

[dexterium]

one better than that Dex - try a ReCreate/Prime combo - real clean energy - could sleep 3 hrs postWO no problem :thumbsup:

YEAH BUDDY!

 

[theBIGcactus]

You could try Ragnarok Caffeine Free. I bougth a tub of it and although the mixability is a little grainy and kinda feels like your drinking very fine liquid sand it worked for me pretty well. :thumbsup:

ragnarok

 

[just93]

yah rhinos strategy work lol jk

 

[planetfuzz]

Just smoke some crack lol. That will have you busting mirrors in no time.

I was actually thinking about just getting some straight up cocaine. It would probably be cheaper than No-xplode.

 

[just93]

Heroin works great too!

personally, i would choose ecstasy! (just have to up your water intake to 5 gallons per day)




























NOTE: im joking every one dont use any of these drugs !

 

[just93]

ahm, look into GET DIESEL stuff, i guess it works great for aggression...

 

[jakellpet]

Heroin works great too!

personally, i would choose ecstasy! (just have to up your water intake to 5 gallons per day)




























NOTE: im joking every one dont use any of these drugs !

buddy, you ever seem a smack junkie? they're hardly bouncing off the fricken walls!

 

[planetfuzz]

ahm, look into GET DIESEL stuff, i guess it works great for aggression...

I would love to try JP8 but it's got caffeine in it. I've considered NOS Ether before though. Looks real solid.

 

[Esox Express]

do you want no stims at all, or just no caffeine?

if it's just caffeiene, grab some 1,3 Dimethylamylamine. good stuff :thumbsup:

EDIT: all this illicit drug talk got me thinkin about a a story my High school track coach told me. He said he used to run with a guy in coolege who would go into the port-a-potty and shoot up meth right before he ran 400s. I guess the guy ran sub-50s all the time.

My history teacher used to tell me the same thing about a guy who would toke up right before he ran. I don't know, i would think that would slow you down, but i guess he said the guy couldn't feel any pain or anything.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Massage some Icy/Hot on your junk before you hit the gym. Talk about rage!!

 

[jsp0785]

I was actually thinking about just getting some straight up cocaine. It would probably be cheaper than No-xplode.

na get pcp it will increase strength like crazy. you'd probably be out in the parking lot bench pressing your car

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

So wait, why isn't 17-HD an option?

IDS makes a clone of it.. I've taken it before, kicked major ass.

 

[planetfuzz]

do you want no stims at all, or just no caffeine?

if it's just caffeiene, grab some 1,3 Dimethylamylamine. good stuff :thumbsup:

I mean,especially not caffeine but I just don't want that stim'd about feeling.

So wait, why isn't 17-HD an option?

IDS makes a clone of it.. I've taken it before, kicked major ass.

It's wasn't an option because I read something negative about it but then the 80 dollar price tag was the deciding factor.

 

[jsp0785]

I mean,especially not caffeine but I just don't want that stim'd about feeling.



It's wasn't an option because I read something negative about it but then the 80 dollar price tag was the deciding factor.

was the negative thing u read about vyotech being a crap company who puts out useless products?

 

[planetfuzz]

was the negative thing u read about vyotech being a crap company who puts out useless products?

There just seemed to be lots of mixed reviews on it. Like I said the price tag was ultimately the deciding factor.

 

[just93]

dude the other stuff by ids is half the price, with more ecdy, but your right, there are lots of mixed reviews.........people are calling it a PH and stuff.which it isnt

 

[planetfuzz]

dude the other stuff by ids is half the price, with more ecdy, but your right, there are lots of mixed reviews.........people are calling it a PH and stuff.which it isnt

Yeah,the IDS stuff looks solid. I just really don't feel like dropping close to 100 dollars on something when there are so many mixed reviews.

 

[just93]

YAH $30 isnt too bad, but again, you never know the other persons experience, diet, and it could be a placebo effect or something, i havent seen any studies on MESTERONE

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

You do realize you can get a clone of it for under $40 right? I've used it in the past, worked great.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

YAH $30 isnt too bad, but again, you never know the other persons experience, diet, and it could be a placebo effect or something, i havent seen any studies on MESTERONE

Trust me.. it is not at all a placebo effect.

Also, studies done on Mesterone? Mesterone, in this case, is not an actual compound... just a name for IDS's brand of hydrolyzed smilax.

 

[just93]

yah i realize this, i didnt know the name of the actual ingredient and had to go, so i just put masterone.....i intended to come back and fix it but you did that for me lol

so what did you see from it dude, just energy or did you get weight gain, leaning effect......and thing like that

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

yah i realize this, i didnt know the name of the actual ingredient and had to go, so i just put masterone.....i intended to come back and fix it but you did that for me lol

so what did you see from it dude, just energy or did you get weight gain, leaning effect......and thing like that

Insane energy and aggression. Take it on an empty stomach (around 1.5-2 hrs after your last meal).

 

[just93]

is it comparable to RPM??

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

is it comparable to RPM??

It's pretty different. RPM, for me, was just energy.. With 17-Hydroxy Mesterone there was lots of energy, plus a psychological side to it which was pretty bad ass.

 

[just93]

any sing of increased test??

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

any sing of increased test??

Not for me, not that I recall anyway.

 

[just93]

does your thing say, "i want anabolic jeans" ??

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

does your thing say, "i want anabolic jeans" ??

Well, pants.. but yeah.

 

[just93]

well, i didnt thunk that made sense so i just assumed you were trying to say jeans lol

 

[planetfuzz]

RPM was awesome energy and amazing focus for me. 17-hd just put me on another planet. It made me so friggin horny. I just wanted to have sex with every girl in the gym and break things. Not sure if that's a good thing or not though,haha.

Think this would need to be cycled?

 

[just93]

ahhh i dont think so, i dont think it would cause negative side effects that would need it.....

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

It's a natty product, so cycling isn't completely necessary.. Although, with a product like this that produces such copious amounts of energy, you may want to give your body a break after a few weeks.