H-Drol and Andromass Log

[Ziyco]

So I have never logged anything before but figured I would Log this one.
Current Weight: 226
Body fat 15%
Height: 6' 1

I am running H-drol full force for 6 weeks at 75/75/75/75/75/75
and running Andromass on the 3rd Weeks full force at 6 pills a day.
I have Preloaded Cycle Assist and also take Taurine and Animal Pak for support Supps when back pumps come because last H-drol cycle
I was prone to really annoying back pumps and I ran it 50/50/75/75/75/75 Solo.
This is my 2nd cycle this year so hoping to make great gains.
I currently have Nolvadex for Pct, DAA and thinking on getting a Natty test Booster(any Recommendations?). Was curious if that is a good solid PCT or should i switch it for Clomid.(Never tried Clomid Differences are?)
If so whats the dosing for Clomid? I have done alot of research and my diet is always good. 6 meals a day. 40-80 Whole grain carbs per meal and 40-60 Grams of protein per meal. I also do a 5 Day split at the gym consisting of 2 weeks strength training and 2 weeks bodybuilding routines. Monday-Chest Tuesday-Back Wednesday-Off Thursday-Shoulders and Abs Friday-Biceps/triceps and Saturday Legs.(Legs are last because my job requires a lot of walking lol) I will be logging as much as i can and keeping everyone up to date. Let me know what you guys think.

 

[evandem27]

Very interested! I'm in bro!

 

[Ziyco]

I sucked it up and figured I would just fork out the extra money for Andromass(Why does it have to be expensive ) Hdrol got me 12LBS last time so I am excited about it again. One will end up working lol. If Andromass works great then they will have me as a customer. Seen Logs and seen good results so I have faith in it.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

In for this! Good luck I will follow closely.

 

[Ziyco]

11/24/11

So just giving a update. Started Sunday been doing 75mg of H-drol a day. Spaced out apart. So far thing are going good like last cycle of H-drol. So far usual side effects are headaches. I always get these at first but then they go away. Did Chest Monday, Back Tuesdays and Abs and shoulders Wednesday. Usually I take Wednesday off but for the holidays worked out better to take today off. It wont kick in for a little bit just notice a little bit more of a pump when lifting. Placebo effect has kicked in a little always feel more confident with everything when I am on a cycle. I Will keep you guys posted so stick around.

 

[Rodja]

Subbed for further updates.

 

[mattrag]

hmm wondering if the grapefruit extract is making the Hdrol more effective..?
Subbed.

Wonder if I should add anything to my Andromass when I run it... UD...

 

[Rodja]

hmm wondering if the grapefruit extract is making the Hdrol more effective..?
Subbed.

Wonder if I should add anything to my Andromass when I run it... UD...

Actually, it is. There's an ~30% increase in methyls while using any AS product.

 

[GetBent]

I sucked it up and figured I would just fork out the extra money for Andromass(Why does it have to be expensive ) Hdrol got me 12LBS last time so I am excited about it again. One will end up working lol. If Andromass works great then they will have me as a customer. Seen Logs and seen good results so I have faith in it.

I asked myself the same question about price, I am waiting it out~!

 

[Ziyco]

So Did arms today and was pretty much blown up like a balloon. felt good. Lifts feeling good. Noticing a little bit more of endurance but not really. Placebo effect I think. Andromass doesn't start until December 4th. I will Keep you guys Posted though. Holidays really help with the cycle. Got to love All the food that is accessible. Turkey and baked Sweet Potatoes mmmmmmm.

 

[bigdavid]

Interested in this log good luck!

Actually, it is. There's an ~30% increase in methyls while using any AS product.

Well that is a nice little fun fact!

 

[ryansm]

So Did arms today and was pretty much blown up like a balloon. felt good. Lifts feeling good. Noticing a little bit more of endurance but not really. Placebo effect I think. Andromass doesn't start until December 4th. I will Keep you guys Posted though. Holidays really help with the cycle. Got to love All the food that is accessible. Turkey and baked Sweet Potatoes mmmmmmm.

I'm kinda confused with your cycle layout, what week are you starting the AndroMass and how long is your cycle?

 

[Ziyco]

6 week cycle H-drol at 75mg a day and on the 3rd week I start andromass 6 caps a day. Running them both together at there full force.

 

[TestEinstein]

It's good you've got the patience to consume that much whole grain. I get sick of it but the higher-glycemic potatoes and bread and stuff are cool after a PWO shake too if you want.

Careful with the grapefruit juice. Messing with CP450 can cause problems with the metabolization of TONS of things...painkillers, HBP meds, sleeping pills. The pharmacokinetics vary from person to person and depend on the amount of juice, plus I seem to remember AndroMass having the equiv of some grapefruit juice constituents to increase its biological half-life anyway. If only I could get some vacutainers and do some hourly draws for TT/FT/T:E we could answer some questions about AndroMass's blood concentration curves or the benefits of grapefruit juice on Hdrol metabolism in a couple days. For those of you who've got William Llewellyn's book you know how helpful those pharmacokinetic curves can be in cycle planning/management.

Good luck Ziyco, I'm about your ht/wt so I'm looking forward to the results.

 

[abformulations]

Subbed bro.

 

[Ziyco]

Today is my Off day and kinda hating it but my body needs rest before I destroy chest tomorrow. Yesterday was legs. Went well. I have Nolva lined up. What is everyones opinion on Nolva VS Clomid for PCT? If Clomid is better I'll Order it.

 

[TestEinstein]

I was one of those people who had trouble seeing at night with nolva, so I never tried clomid. Supposedly the visual disturbances are worse. I think that both were implicated as exacerbating pituitary tumors, but clomid got the specific blame when that happened to Jason Giambi. I would stick with nolva if I were you, but maybe someone else has more to say on SERM differences.

 

[HereToStudy]

Good luck with this run!

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Today is my Off day and kinda hating it but my body needs rest before I destroy chest tomorrow. Yesterday was legs. Went well. I have Nolva lined up. What is everyones opinion on Nolva VS Clomid for PCT? If Clomid is better I'll Order it.

I can't stand days off sometimes. Like I'm driving myself insane. It was the worst when I was using Androhard... I was bouncing off the walls needing a workout, I'd go outside and do sprints for 20 minutes to bring my energy levels down

 

[Ziyco]

Yeah I think I will stick to "If it isn't Broke don't fix it" Used Nolva Before and had no sides and recovered fast. Today was chest and it felt good. On my bodybuilding routine and did really nice proper form Reps. Slow and steady reps. Was feeling a huge pump at the end. Loved today. Tomorrow is back and Can't wait. Headaches are starting to go away which is good. Seems like my body is getting used to the Methyl.

 

[ryansm]

Yeah I think I will stick to "If it isn't Broke don't fix it" Used Nolva Before and had no sides and recovered fast. Today was chest and it felt good. On my bodybuilding routine and did really nice proper form Reps. Slow and steady reps. Was feeling a huge pump at the end. Loved today. Tomorrow is back and Can't wait. Headaches are starting to go away which is good. Seems like my body is getting used to the Methyl.

Nolva is fine, in the future look into Toremifene there is a nice write-up about it a our site

 

[abformulations]

Nolva is fine, in the future look into Toremifene there is a nice write-up about it a our site

You think torem is better than nolva and clomid? If so why? I've taken clomid and had no sides. But I did hear good things on torem.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

You think torem is better than nolva and clomid? If so why? I've taken clomid and had no sides. But I did hear good things on torem.

Torem makes me bust gallon sized loads. Sustain Alpha + TCF-1 + Torem is like being a porn star. I may start adding Division 1 into the mix as I ran it recently and it was pretty ridiculous how it reduced my refractory time.

 

[abformulations]

Torem makes me bust gallon sized loads. Sustain Alpha + TCF-1 + Torem is like being a porn star. I may start adding Division 1 into the mix as I ran it recently and it was pretty ridiculous how it reduced my refractory time.

Lmfao hahahaha. Do you recommend torem over the others? Yea i been looking at division 1.

 

[mattrag]

Torem makes me bust gallon sized loads. Sustain Alpha + TCF-1 + Torem is like being a porn star. I may start adding Division 1 into the mix as I ran it recently and it was pretty ridiculous how it reduced my refractory time.

I remember Rodja saying something about not using 3,4 div in PCT because of a pathway the SERM works through. SHBG suppression to cause some kind of rebound to get your levels back to normal. Dont quote me, but I believe it was he who said that in one of the massive threads you guys have going lol.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I remember Rodja saying something about not using 3,4 div in PCT because of a pathway the SERM works through. SHBG suppression to cause some kind of rebound to get your levels back to normal. Dont quote me, but I believe it was he who said that in one of the massive threads you guys have going lol.

He has said that. A lot of guys say it... I have no idea how valid the idea of not using 3,4 divanil is during PCT.

Lmfao hahahaha. Do you recommend torem over the others? Yea i been looking at division 1.

I've never used Clomid, only Nolva. Nolvadex sucked for me. No libido at all while on it. Torem is way better... Clomid I'll probably never use at this point.

 

[HereToStudy]

I've never used Clomid, only Nolva. Nolvadex sucked for me. No libido at all while on it. Torem is way better... Clomid I'll probably never use at this point.

I actually don't mind Clomid, does the job for me and is relatively low on sides. I am always telling myself "I will use Torem next," but with access to pharm grade Clomid, and only RC Torem, I grabbed more Clomid.

 

[mattrag]

I actually don't mind Clomid, does the job for me and is relatively low on sides. I am always telling myself "I will use Torem next," but with access to pharm grade Clomid, and only RC Torem, I grabbed more Clomid.

Torem was really side free, I never ran nolva yet... soon I might. Clomid was side hell... but it did the job for recovery. At least I think it did... sad not having access to bloodwork here in Japan....

 

[abformulations]

Hmmm. Yea I had no real complaints from clomid but I might go with torem for my upcoming ultradrol cycle. Not sure exactly how to properly dose it.

 

[Ziyco]

Did Back and felt great. I took NO. Explode 2.0 and I am dropping this because I have been up all night. Insomnia is not my idea of a good time. I took it at 5pm and went to bed at 10:30pm. Normally Preworkouts never bother me but hell with it. I took Jack3d on my last cycle and it didnt bother me. I dunno I just need sleep. Today is my off Day so hopefully I can get some sleep.

 

[abformulations]

Nolva is fine, in the future look into Toremifene there is a nice write-up about it a our site

How much should one dose it for pct? Is one bottle of Toremifine 30mg x 30 ml vial enough to last 4weeks? or is a 60mg bottle needed?

 

[abformulations]

WOW! I was searching for TOREMIFENE online and crap its expensive. for 30 caps its been avg for about $52

 

[Ziyco]

Barely able to stay awake at work. Taking some Melatonin tonight to help me sleep. I remember Insomnia was a side some nights when I ran my last cycle. I really hate that and back pumps. they suck. Words of advice never order from amazon. Ordered all my cycle from amazon and have been getting everything at random times lol and andromass i had to order from *************.com because the amazon seller hasn't sent it to me. Will have AM by friday, First class mail is good. Anyone here ever experience Insomnia while on cycle and if so how did you combat it?

 

[bigdavid]

Barely able to stay awake at work. Taking some Melatonin tonight to help me sleep. I remember Insomnia was a side some nights when I ran my last cycle. I really hate that and back pumps. they suck. Words of advice never order from amazon. Ordered all my cycle from amazon and have been getting everything at random times lol and andromass i had to order from *************.com because the amazon seller hasn't sent it to me. Will have AM by friday, First class mail is good. Anyone here ever experience Insomnia while on cycle and if so how did you combat it?

I have insomnia regardless and it has been worse with h-drol. Try sublingual melatonin it hits faster. Also try relaxing herbs like valerian root or some magnesium before bed. also might wana avoid stims they will only add to your sleeping issues though it is hard for me to stop using preworkout products lol

 

[Rodja]

Magnesium
GABA
Valerian

I'll occasionally get some restlessness, but it's not a frequent thing. When it gets really bad, I use Rhodiola Rosea.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Cabergolean has been putting me to sleep earlier, waking up earlier, but feeling better. Just a heads up...

 

[Ziyco]

So Officially I am sick on my cycle. I really hate this. Started out with a sore throat and Now I am having nausea and the Lack of Sleep is killing me. I will have to skip shoulders today because I feel like crap.

 

[HereToStudy]

Cabergolean has been putting me to sleep earlier, waking up earlier, but feeling better. Just a heads up...

I can attest to this.

 

[HereToStudy]

So Officially I am sick on my cycle. I really hate this. Started out with a sore throat and Now I am having nausea and the Lack of Sleep is killing me. I will have to skip shoulders today because I feel like crap.

Sorry to hear this man.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

So Officially I am sick on my cycle. I really hate this. Started out with a sore throat and Now I am having nausea and the Lack of Sleep is killing me. I will have to skip shoulders today because I feel like crap.

Don't worry! Don't let this get to you mentally! Keep up at the gym, just lower intensity and make sure not to go overboard. Take a few days off if you need to, it's seriously no biggy. Remember, the body can use REST just as much as it can use GYM TIME!! Getting sick is just your bodies way of forcing you to bed

 

[Rodja]

So Officially I am sick on my cycle. I really hate this. Started out with a sore throat and Now I am having nausea and the Lack of Sleep is killing me. I will have to skip shoulders today because I feel like crap.

Lots of rest and, most importantly, LOTS of food.

 

[abformulations]

Just say f u ain't nothing stoping me im a beast lmao.

 

[ryansm]

Cabergolean has been putting me to sleep earlier, waking up earlier, but feeling better. Just a heads up...

I've been using our Dream Tea, works wonders for me

 

[AaronJP1]

In...

 

[Ziyco]

Basically I told the sinus cold it had to **** Off. Not playing around haha. Did arms friday and it was really amazing. 50lb Dumbbells. Perfect form for regular curls. I am very strict on form. I could care less how much you can lift. It is how much you can lift properly. The overall workout was insane and my friend was so tired. He isnt on his cycle so keeping up was hard. Legs was also awesome yesterday. Today I start Andromass and already taken my first serving and I gained 15lbs of mass in 3 hours. haha nah this is a honest log Feeling good today though. I am feeling H-drol being its typical beast and making me feel so confident and positive. I can't wait to kill chest tomorrow.

 

[Ziyco]

So Side effect listing time. Insane Sex drive. Pretty insane. Thank goodness for friends with benefits. Pretty sure it is the H-drol. This happend to me last time.

 

[mattrag]

So Side effect listing time. Insane Sex drive. Pretty insane. Thank goodness for friends with benefits. Pretty sure it is the H-drol. This happend to me last time.

Lucky you... Hdrol KILLED my libido.

 

[HereToStudy]

So Side effect listing time. Insane Sex drive. Pretty insane. Thank goodness for friends with benefits. Pretty sure it is the H-drol. This happend to me last time.

Helping my buddy through his second cycle, told him that these were a definite need for him.

 

[Rodja]

Lucky you... Hdrol KILLED my libido.

Same with me.

 

[CaligriwnSD]

Hey guys this is my first hdrol cycle so I am just lookin for a bit of advice...
Im 23, 170lbs, 5'6'', 5 yrs experience with lifting, 5 day split, only staples are protien and a healthy diet. I figure I would just start off doing 50/50/50/50 with hdrol along withCEL cycle support unless you think more is ok for my experience lever with prohormones. For a pct I am lookin at CEL pct assist, DSN lean xtreme, DSN activate xtreme, and SNS inhibit e. Any suggestions? Anything I should add or take out? I wanna do this right so any info wpuld help!