Dark_Ansem
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I dislike that idea.
Why...it really works and its easily to implement.I dislike that idea.
I like that strategy I use it. It's fun.I'm surprised nobody has mentioned any form of fasting. Check out alternate day fasting. You can gain muscle and lose fat and see quick, visible results in the mirror. And u don't need to buy any supplements.
you clearly havnt tried it. if you go into it freaking out about losing muscle then you will give up after a few days. there are some benefits of ADF for building muscle such as a reduction in proteolysis and increased insulin sensitivity. ive actually progressed faster in my lifts by using it. i will eat ~500 calories at the end of the day, tho. and you can pretty much eat anything you want on your eat days.how? it recieves a lot of criticism.
Same here. The leanest I've ever been is when I was IF'ing and it was a breeze compared to the six meal a day protocol.wp?
I fast for 18 hours a day and have never had better results with any previous diets or supplements. People who can't get results are the same who can't control what they eat.
You, sir, make a lot of sense.that sounds like an eating disorder.
beats being fat and having to actually try to loose weightthat sounds like an eating disorder.
then again, one can be fat and diet. unlike stupidity, which has no cure whatsoever. It does not sound healthy to starve oneself one day (600kcal IS starving) and go wild the other day... it just does not seem good.beats being fat and having to actually try to loose weight
Sorry to offend you, maybe I am stupid. I guess fasting really makes no sense. Eating small meals throughout the day is the best way to lose weight so you can raise your metabolism. Wait, no, thats been debunked. And eating small meals all day just means your body is constantly flooded with insulin, the most anabolic hormone in the body... to fat cells. Hmm, wait that sounds like it would give u type 2 diabetes. So lets look at the FACTS:then again, one can be fat and diet. unlike stupidity, which has no cure whatsoever. It does not sound healthy to starve oneself one day (600kcal IS starving) and go wild the other day... it just does not seem good.
and besides, even if I were to try this fasting business I still need a good appetite-curbing supp. such as Alphamine claims to be. I thought Compound20 would be a good idea but it recieved a very nasty review.
leangains(intermittant fasting) or ADF. both work. depends on your goals and what you are willing to try. if you start slow, you really dont need alphamine. i use psyllium husk. but if you dont eat breakfast, you never have that initial insulin spike and you can go without food longer than u think.oh fine. if you can tell me of a good protocol I'll do it once I get alphamine.
Protocol just states for you to be fasted for ~16 hours a day, regardless of when, but the best alternative is to do so skipping breakfast and going from noon to 8 pm eating.I know myself. I need a kickstart in order to curb appetite.
what I want to do is to lose fat/preserve lean mass (I hope, since I will continue to take protein and BCAA after weight training no matter what -is that forbidden by one of those 2 protocols?), empasizing on lose fat.
Protocol just states for you to be fasted for ~16 hours a day, regardless of when, but the best alternative is to do so skipping breakfast and going from noon to 8 pm eating.
Do you workout in the morning? I do fasted cardio in the morning, take BCAAs prior and post, but my weight lifting is done in the afteroon, when I consume my biggest amount of food (dinner) right after.
I for some reason had the BCAAs I believe because of the Lean Gains book if not mistaken? I recall - again, not certain but I thought it was from the book itself - bcaa and yohimbine being the two ones that were recommended by him, the BCAA being for muscle conservation purposes if not mistaken while doing fasted cardio.BCAAs are converted to glucose and cause a small insulin spike. I'd personally keep them out of any fasted period. Even preworkout I'd stay totally fasted if following intermittent fasting. And I'd tighten the feeding period to 4 hours, it works a lot better. alternate day fasting has been far superior in my experience. You have two distinct periods: fat loss and muscle gain so both become much more efficient. I love fasted training but eating both before and after training allows for a more productive anabolic period. Alternate day fasting gets my vote every time but you only get 7 training days every 2 weeks which some people have a problem with (my gf lifts 6 days a week)
I would try the 16/8 protocol first. Like the guys have mentioned its the easiest to implement and you should see results as long as your in a defecit. At the 16 hour mark I would have a protein shake and some nuts, so fairly light and then have a fairly large meal about 18 - 20 hours in then train and then my main meal post workout. This means I'm eating most of my cals around my workout and keeping my hunger at bay.I mean BCAA-protein only POST workout, not pre-workout, sorry.
and I need a more detailed/not so restrictive fasting protocol, because while I do plan to train around 3 times per week (but with a different protocol, a A-B-A-B one) on other days I also expect sometimes to go running.
http://www.leangains.com/thanks but I need more details about this. all of them in fact. this seems more complicated than I thought.
Yeah, it's the cliff notes version of it but will have all the info you really need.the one that begins with "My name is Martin Berkhan, nutritional counselor, fitness magazine writer and creator of Leangains.Leangains is a unique approach to strength training and nutrition. The diet involves intermittentfasting and strength training in order to reduce fat mass and increase muscle mass. This is performedby switching between phases of overfeeding and underfeeding, as well as carefully manipulating themacronutrient ratio of the diet." ? that's only 14 pages!
Well... That's why there are books for it, way too many to summarize with enough details.actually. I'd like someone to list the various protocols of fasting, what are they used for and for how long they can be mantained, thanks.
thanks but I need more details about this. all of them in fact. this seems more complicated than I thought.
there are 3 versions:actually. I'd like someone to list the various protocols of fasting, what are they used for and for how long they can be mantained, thanks.
Leucine and lysine are ketogenic not glucogenicBCAAs are converted to glucose and cause a small insulin spike. I'd personally keep them out of any fasted period. Even preworkout I'd stay totally fasted if following intermittent fasting. And I'd tighten the feeding period to 4 hours, it works a lot better. alternate day fasting has been far superior in my experience. You have two distinct periods: fat loss and muscle gain so both become much more efficient. I love fasted training but eating both before and after training allows for a more productive anabolic period. Alternate day fasting gets my vote every time but you only get 7 training days every 2 weeks which some people have a problem with (my gf lifts 6 days a week)
Light small meals 200-300 cals (2of them leading up to workout) then 1 huge meal pre bedmm... I think Intermittent fasting mught be the thing for me. however, I train in the evening, whether it's weights or cardio. any suggestions?
in 8 hours? what about lunch, considering that in order to have the post-workout meal I'll have to start at, like, 14?Light small meals 200-300 cals (2of them leading up to workout) then 1 huge meal pre bed
No offense man, but you found a 14 page book, that has all the information you are asking, why not just read it?in 8 hours? what about lunch, considering that in order to have the post-workout meal I'll have to start at, like, 14?
Hmm, maybe I was mistaken. I've been looking around google, found the study showing a response with carbs. Really, just about all of the studies are in the presence of carbs except this one. Its from 1972, so its not the most recent study but idk lol...Leucine and lysine are ketogenic not glucogenic
Leucine only stimulates insulin response in presence of carbohydrate
if you go to the leangains site, he explains a lot of it and he has nothing to gain by you trying his method so i dont understand how it would be a scam? if it was, i dont think he would post so many studies. on his fb fan page he posts up new studies all the time, hes a good guy to look at to gain a grasp of fasting and all the scientific modalities behind it.I'd rather ask someone who has done it than read an informative" pamphlet that looks like scam.
It is literally the book and the approach, from the man that "invented" this approach, with as much specific information possible, the same guide that was used by most of people who follow his diet to create their meal plans. How is that not going to be informative and is a scam? Seriously. You would rather listen to 2nd, 3rd tier peers than the CREATOR of the diet plan? Really?I'd rather ask someone who has done it than read an informative" pamphlet that looks like scam.
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