Ha, it doesn't have to be taken literally... I was just trying to show how minuscule this "problem" really is.I liked the eating a peice of cheese idea.
Ha, it doesn't have to be taken literally... I was just trying to show how minuscule this "problem" really is.I liked the eating a peice of cheese idea.
They were sent to me for free when T-911 was first released. I bought it on two occasions and got two shirts for it. Otherwise, I would have gone with an L or XL myself.Oh, i would take a medium or large for sure! Even if i had to purchase some 0 protien pre workout.
I decided to take this to PM'siForce, you guys are WAY to quick to jump in on threads like this. You try to make it look like you don't care, but it's obvious: ASGT has taken the board by storm, you don't like it, and you'll use any angle to weaken their status. I see you do it all the time. Hey, do what you like, but understand it seriously turns off potential customers like myself more than ASGT's success can ever detract from you. I, personally, won't be buying your products. I never see LG reps pull these kind of tactics, or MST, or AI, or a host of others. They pimp their stuff, don't bash, and hold a higher standard of business.
What do you care, why so important for you? Why do you jump in here with 'i MUST know!!', or in on USPLabs threads with your thinly veiled accusations? It reeks when another company owner/rep does **** like that, and it's hardly covert, and hardly a single post.I decided to take this to PM's
Poison: Not once did I say the product wasnt effective, not once did I bash the product. My inquiry was pretty damn simple: Protein is in the proprietary blend in 2 different places, in front of an ingredient (leucine) they say has a "hefty dose"... so how could the product have zero grams of protein, something doesnt add up.
Honestly I dont see why you are taking it so offensively... its a legitimate question and one that I think deserves an actual response. but whatever, you have already decided i am on some covert mission to ruin LG sciences with a single post on a forum, which is laughable, ASGT is doing very well and congrats to LG. Stop being such a drama queen and either answer the damn question or stop posting on the subject
oh btw I have an LG shirt, and it is badass
???? An LG rep has already "chimed" in, you must have been away.Why the hell would you hold it up as 'more' than a preworkout? It IS a preworkout, period. Nothing else. You implying that it IS more than a preworkout, then bashing it because it doesn't stand up to your lofty, and different, product definition than intended by LG, is just a bunch of bull****.
Again, everyone can chime in til they're blue in the face, but until we have an LG rep responding, it's all about YOU slinging mud. Get off your lazy ass, PM an LG rep, and post his reply here. Or PM one a link to this thread.
iForce, you guys are WAY to quick to jump in on threads like this. You try to make it look like you don't care, but it's obvious: ASGT has taken the board by storm, you don't like it, and you'll use any angle to weaken their status. I see you do it all the time. Hey, do what you like, but understand it seriously turns off potential customers like myself more than ASGT's success can ever detract from you. I, personally, won't be buying your products. I never see LG reps pull these kind of tactics, or MST, or AI, or a host of others. They pimp their stuff, don't bash, and hold a higher standard of business.
ASGT is already one of the best selling, highest regarded, pre-workouts currently on the market. There's really no need for a rep to "pimp" a product that doesn't need "pimping."I could PM a rep, but they would surely pimp their product. This stuf has test boosting ingredients, estrogen lowering ingredients, adaptogenic herbs, and I just whant to get to the bottom whether or not that I should trust that its the preworkout with the anabolic edge that the ingredient profile suggest it should be......I also get that LG is still bettedr than MT and BSN by a long shot, but when I see something suspicious, I feel it is the duty of us AM members to prevent our companies from going that route.
I have used ASGT, and there is a difference with and without it.. It really does work. It does what it says it does.I could PM a rep, but they would surely pimp their product. This stuf has test boosting ingredients, estrogen lowering ingredients, adaptogenic herbs, and I just whant to get to the bottom whether or not that I should trust that its the preworkout with the anabolic edge that the ingredient profile suggest it should be......I also get that LG is still bettedr than MT and BSN by a long shot, but when I see something suspicious, I feel it is the duty of us AM members to prevent our companies from going that route.
There's nothing wrong with bringing it up through a thread. It's a valid question that im sure many members were interested in hearing the answer to.
I thought it, but you said it :bigok:It's all in the presentation and execution of the thread and in the way the question is asked.
Instead of sounding like "gotcha! theres a problem with your product!!" it could have sounded like "hey, wierd, is this a typo?"
It's all about the context of the title thread.
You're right he could of worded it differently to not seem like he was bashing LG, but i honestly don't think he started this thread to bash the product, or even call LG out. Just wanted information.It's all in the presentation and execution of the thread and in the way the question is asked.
Instead of sounding like "gotcha! theres a problem with your product!!" it could have sounded like "hey, wierd, is this a typo?"
It's all about the context of the title thread.
That is a very good decision .long thread, but if the argument is "go to something else for protein pre workout" then why put it in there at all in small amounts?
either way, ive been VERY pleased with LG in the past, and im about to order some ghenerate and asgt later tonight
or maybe its the shortest thread about everything?Damn this is the longest thread ever about NOTHING
Many a person can "bad mouth" a supplement will having the up most respect for the company. It's called showing professionalism. People do it all the time. I can tell a fat chick she is fat without actually telling her she is fat and she'll listen to what I have to say, example: (we need to work on cutting your calories and getting you on a solid conditioning program. Statistics show that people who carry extra weight into their older years do develop serious health conditions. You do not want to deal with that in your elder years, do you. You want to be around for your grand kids, to play and enjoy with them?)Here's what blows my mind: this is a supplement forum. There are only 2 reasons people are here, 1) they like a good supp, and want to find something that fits their needs, or 2) they have an agenda (to pimp, or cut the competition). When someone comes in mouthing off in an illogical and hasty manner, there's only one assumption to be made. If you indeed like a good supplement or two, then do your research, find what looks good to you. If you don't like proprietary blends, there are a few good companies out there just for you (MAN comes to mind). For others with different evels of tolerance, there are companies that you can decidedly trust, propritary formulas or not, and for the rest there's Muscletech and bsn.
And seriously, there are companies out there like alri who knowingly tainted their **** with drugs, and there's bsn which unknowingly had coumarin in their Noxplode, but someone decided to pick on LG? Please.
LMFAOMany a person can "bad mouth" a supplement will having the up most respect for the company. It's called showing professionalism. People do it all the time. I can tell a fat chick she is fat without actually telling her she is fat and she'll listen to what I have to say, example: (we need to work on cutting your calories and getting you on a solid conditioning program. Statistics show that people who carry extra weight into their older years do develop serious health conditions. You do not want to deal with that in your elder years, do you. You want to be around for your grand kids, to play and enjoy with them?)
On the other hand, I could say "hey bytch, you are wearing dunkin donuts around your waist line, how about giving your damn feet a break, huh?"
Two different approaches but both are attacking her size.
I think Dave came out with a decently professional manner here.
Thanks for the recognition there. I understand your concerns and I also know that you weren't trying to bash the company. I think you actually got your answer regarding the ingredients. AS-GT is one of the few products out there right now that really doesn't require much pimping. Everybody loves it and most everybody gets PR's regularly while using it. I will state my synopsis of the situation at the end of the post.I could PM a rep, but they would surely pimp their product. This stuf has test boosting ingredients, estrogen lowering ingredients, adaptogenic herbs, and I just whant to get to the bottom whether or not that I should trust that its the preworkout with the anabolic edge that the ingredient profile suggest it should be......I also get that LG is still bettedr than MT and BSN by a long shot, but when I see something suspicious, I feel it is the duty of us AM members to prevent our companies from going that route.
That is true, however you see how quickly these things can get out of control? Had he have contacted us and let us know we could have explained without conjecture or other input. No one jumping on the bandwagon to bash. KingKongs question was innocent but look at the aftermath of this. I am not sure the thread is benefiting anyone with all the finger pointing.There's nothing wrong with bringing it up through a thread. It's a valid question that im sure many members were interested in hearing the answer to.
Agreed on all accounts. However on the same note we don't have anything to hide that I am aware of. It would just be nice to spend the day informing people on how to better use the products or how to stack them best with different products than to defend a label all day.ASGT is already one of the best selling, highest regarded, pre-workouts currently on the market. There's really no need for a rep to "pimp" a product that doesn't need "pimping."
Anyways, from my own personal experience, LG reps have always responded courteously to my PM's in the past. I would suggest giving them the benefit of the doubt, and messaging them with your concerns.
Thank you Sir.I have used ASGT, and there is a difference with and without it.. It really does work. It does what it says it does.
It's okay what's done is done. No big deal, totally appreciate all the support from you all.It's all in the presentation and execution of the thread and in the way the question is asked.
Instead of sounding like "gotcha! theres a problem with your product!!" it could have sounded like "hey, wierd, is this a typo?"
It's all about the context of the title thread.
I don't think anyone said there was no reason for the protein to be in there. I said it was not there for anabolism but instead to help fuel the ATP system for endurance during the workout. Doing that requires much less than the amount of aminos required to create an anabolic effect. Using aminos for an anabolic effect during a workout is going to take a higher amount and different timing. Once again though this is a freebie, the price was not marked up to include this. AS_GT is one of the most competitively priced PreWorkout products on the market even with the added aminos and hydrolyzed proteins.long thread, but if the argument is "go to something else for protein pre workout" then why put it in there at all in small amounts?
either way, ive been VERY pleased with LG in the past, and im about to order some ghenerate and asgt later tonight
You're right, but i honestly still don't see how it's his fault for "getting out of control"That is true, however you see how quickly these things can get out of control? Had he have contacted us and let us know we could have explained without conjecture or other input. No one jumping on the bandwagon to bash. KingKongs question was innocent but look at the aftermath of this. I am not sure the thread is benefiting anyone with all the finger pointing.
Oh, I absolutely know what you mean. I was not blaming Kong, I was more explaining why it is easier for US to answer a question posed in a PM. It is fine that he asked out here in the open. However he brought it up sounding like a grievance as mentioned before and those should be directed to us first so that we can address them. If there is a problem we have an opportunity to correct it and if just a misunderstanding of sorts can be sorted out without creating a bunch of fanfare or drama. However if he came to us and we refused to offer any assistance then we as a company deserve a little public flogging for not taking care of the consumer. Then would be a great time to bring it out into the open and say hey I am trying to work with xxxxxx company and they refuse to help me. I am not upset about it, when something like this happens supporters of ASGT see it and come running to say "Hey this sh*t works! Don't bag on it." Any time someone gets negative on this product regardless of forum people stand up and say no, this stuff is legit.You're right, but i honestly still don't see how it's his fault for "getting out of control"
It's not a big deal to me, i hardly even care. I just don't see cause in blaming him. I can see why if he has a question about a product, why you wouldn't want to leave it open for anyone (possibly other reps) to answer. Obviously it can turn into bashing or **** slinging. But on the other side of the coin, this is a forum and that's what they're all about, open discussions etc.
SEINFELD thread?Damn this is the longest thread ever about NOTHING
oh yeah?Anadraulic State has always been one of my favorite preworkouts.
OK. I will say that I regret nameing the thread what I named it. I don't regret my OP, but I wishe I would have named it something that didn't sound so harsh....And for the record, I'm running GHenerate, and I do think it might be working.It's all in the presentation and execution of the thread and in the way the question is asked.
Instead of sounding like "gotcha! theres a problem with your product!!" it could have sounded like "hey, wierd, is this a typo?"
It's all about the context of the title thread.
OK. I will say that I regret nameing the thread what I named it. I don't regret my OP, but I wishe I would have named it something that didn't sound so harsh....And for the record, I'm running GHenerate, and I do think it might be working.
that was great....but to throw my two cents in asgt is the best pre workout supp i have taken. Unless your really worried about a protein here or there then just take it or dont.
thats what you did to this whole thread
thats a vid of me pounding a chick :sombrero:that was great....but to throw my two cents in asgt is the best pre workout supp i have taken. Unless your really worried about a protein here or there then just take it or dont.
Ive used a bunch of different products in the past and like very much of which you mentionAnyone know what the benefits/drawbacks are between choosing either ASGT or Maximize V2?
I've experimented with to many of these products and don't feel like spending money simply to "experiment" anymore, so respectively, if anyone has experience with using both products and can provide reasonable feedback regarding benefits/drawbacks of both, not related to "sponsored" reviews or rep recommendations (no disrespect intended), but rather real world feedback regarding both products. I would appreciate any recommendations.
Thanks Edwitt I appreciate your feedback.Based on your reply, I'm assuming that you've used both products? If so, what are the main differences that you noticed between both products,not just ASGT--thanks.Ive used a bunch of different products in the past and like very much of which you mention
Ive settled on ASGT for now @ 2 scoops i am able to get the focus i need for long heavy lifts. Im currently cycling AAS and constantly looking to break plateaus and setting new PR's ASGT just gives me that extra edge that i need when the bar is loaded up
I stack it with their targeted Nitric Oxide product NO Infuse which does make it more expensive but apart from that ASGT hands down IMO
I found Maximize V2 to be an excellent product and it also gave me good focus and energy as well, both very good choices. I give ASGT the upper hand in the stim department, im a bit of a stim junkie and i just feel i get an extra edge from the ASGT but there is no arginine in ASGT so for muscle splitting pumps i use the targeted NO Infuse but thats a whole other storyThanks Edwitt I appreciate your feedback.Based on your reply, I'm assuming that you've used both products? If so, what are the main differences that you noticed between both products,not just ASGT--thanks.
Thanks for the breakdown, sounds as if apart from stims themselves, I can't go wrong with either.I found Maximize V2 to be an excellent product and it also gave me good focus and energy as well, both very good choices. I give ASGT the upper hand in the stim department, im a bit of a stim junkie and i just feel i get an extra edge from the ASGT but there is no arginine in ASGT so for muscle splitting pumps i use the targeted NO Infuse but thats a whole other story
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I box on an amateur level(nothing special), shuttling between 3 different weight classes, putting on size/muscle has always been difficult for me. I suffer from insulin resistance, as explained to me by an endo. Type II diabetes runs rampant in my family, as a consequence my body cannot seem to process sugars efficiently, as least in the manner where it would be advantageous, I.E. insulin spikes and things of that nature. I'm also assuming based on available literature on this subject, that nutrient partitioning/shuttling is greatly impaired also. I get pumps in the gym, of course they never last long term even with the appropriate caloric intake, NO either doesn't work or rather simply doesn't work for me.I wished NO worked for me. I've used all sorts of NO products and they've all felt like placebo's to me. My friends who use it swear by it and they seem to really feel it's effects and enjoy it, but NO really has no effect on me. I'm lame...
From an academic point of view, I have my own reservations about NO products in general, but I keep those views to myself, as NO is one of the more popular supplements and it does receive a lot of user feedback. I'm not one to tell people what they are and aren't experiencing, academically opinionated or not.I box on an amateur level(nothing special), shuttling between 3 different weight classes, putting on size/muscle has always been difficult for me. I suffer from insulin resistance, as explained to me by an endo. Type II diabetes runs rampant in my family, as a consequence my body cannot seem to process sugars efficiently, as least in the manner where it would be advantageous, I.E. insulin spikes and things of that nature. I'm also assuming based on available literature on this subject, that nutrient partitioning/shuttling is greatly impaired also. I get pumps in the gym, of course they never last long term even with the appropriate caloric intake, NO either doesn't work or rather simply doesn't work for me.
Gotta say i was always sceptical on the whole NO issues and felt same way either its a bunch of BS just to sell more product or just doesnt work on meI box on an amateur level(nothing special), shuttling between 3 different weight classes, putting on size/muscle has always been difficult for me. I suffer from insulin resistance, as explained to me by an endo. Type II diabetes runs rampant in my family, as a consequence my body cannot seem to process sugars efficiently, as least in the manner where it would be advantageous, I.E. insulin spikes and things of that nature. I'm also assuming based on available literature on this subject, that nutrient partitioning/shuttling is greatly impaired also. I get pumps in the gym, of course they never last long term even with the appropriate caloric intake, NO either doesn't work or rather simply doesn't work for me.
It is also extremely helpful with joint lubrication and cuts down dramatically on pain during workouts in my elbows/shoulders/knees if I put 5 sprays on each. This is something that was mentioned when we started logging, tried it, and I at least have gotten very nice relief from NO Infuse along with great pumps. Win win in my book and an underated LG product for sure!Gotta say i was always sceptical on the whole NO issues and felt same way either its a bunch of BS just to sell more product or just doesnt work on me
If you get a chance try NO Infuse.... Its a spray and you apply to the body part being worked out... I experimented with it using on a dedicated arm day sprayed on my right biceps/tricep nothing on my left arm
The difference in vascularity was amazing and the pump from it lasted much longer than the natural pump in my other arm, give it a shot you might be really suprised, i actually avoid spraying on my forearms as the pumps are just damn right painful, ive noticed others say the same in other threads.
As far as i know its the only targeted NO product on the market