Follidrone Formeron Mass550 PermaSwole - Hardgainer Log

[brundel]

I'm not talking just about our products. I'm talking all! Especially folidrone. People be hating hard on brundel. Top notch guy if you ask me!

When you make waves you get haters.

Par for the course.

 

[Joshlm69]

Just realised that apart from my PWO, everything I take is BLR, haha.

Follidrone/Formeron/Viron/Prolactrone, I'm like a walking BLR shop...

Gyming in the PM this evening. Back Day! Left my permaswole at home by mistake so no PWO for me tonight

Haven't deadlifted in 3-4 weeks, should be interesting

Final Supp List :

ON Fish Oil
ON Optimen
C&P PermaSwole
BLR Follidrone
BLR Formeron
BLR Prolactrone
BLR Viron
PNI EAAs

AI perform if libido becomes shut down

 

[Nooshefx]

Very good read so far. I enjoyed the progress and wish you the best of luck.

 

[Godstrength]

Subbed

 

[Joshlm69]

Back Day

First back day in a long long time but wanted to have a good session, thank god follidrone was providing for me as usual!

Deadlifts

132 x 15
220 x 5
242 x 5
265 x 4

60 x 30 (speed pulls) - literally killed myself doing this, brutal

Weighted Pullups

22 x 8
22 x 8
22 x 8

Bent Over Rows

141 x 10 (each arm)
141 x 10
141 x 10

Palm in Pullups

0 x 10
0 x 10
0 x 10

Laat Pulldowns super setted with seated row

Seated Row

110 x 10
110 x 10
110 x 8

Laats

143 x 8
143 x 8
143 x 7

Arm Day

Close grip bench (4 seconds on the way down, hold for 2 seconds, back up)

132 x 10
154 x 8
143 x 10

Drop set - 132 x 11, 88 x 8, 66 x 9

Bicep Curls (ez bar) Close Grip

71 x 10
71 x 10
71 x 10

Wide Grip EZ bar curls

71x 10
71 x 10
71 x 10

SKullcrushers supersetted with pullups

Skullcrushers

60 x 8
60 x 8
60 x 8

Palm in pullups

0 x 10
0 x 8
0 x 8

Bicep Machine supersetted with tricep pushdown

Bicep Curls

100 x 10
100 x 10
100 x 10

Tricep pushdown

165 x 10
165 x 10
165 x 10

Unfortunately had my friends bbq birthday party on Saturday, so pretty much just had a liquid lunch/dinner, but going to try smash some food today, hopefully it hasnt ruined my gains. beyond hungover!

 

[kenpoengineer]

Have room for one more in this log? Nice work in here. Running Follidrone myself and in week 5. If you are like me you'll see steady endurance increases for 4 weeks then bam!

 

[Joshlm69]

Have room for one more in this log? Nice work in here. Running Follidrone myself and in week 5. If you are like me you'll see steady endurance increases for 4 weeks then bam!

Always room mate, welcome.

So, even though I trained well at the weekend, my diet was absolutely awful, barely ate any food due to drinking all day / being hungover the next day. No point training my nuts off only to let myself down with diet.

Really need to sort it out

Won't be drinking for 3 weeks, plus. Girlfriend left for sailing round the Mediterranean yesterday for 3 weeks (sad face), so just going to focus on work, eating and training well, so she can have a nice present when she's back , haha

 

[Joshlm69]

I'm also taking 1 scoop of Alphamine a day now. Doesn't really give an 'energy boost' thats noticable, but I dont get tired when I hit 3pm/4pm which is an added bonus. At 1 scoop a day I dont expect it to burn much fat, but will definitely help lean me out.

Formeron was pretty strong, probably too strong for natty lifters like myself, so will just take 1 pump every other day to stop the increase in e2 from Viron

 

[LeanEngineer]

Great supplement stack and awesome workouts!

 

[brundel]

I'm also taking 1 scoop of Alphamine a day now. Doesn't really give an 'energy boost' thats noticable, but I dont get tired when I hit 3pm/4pm which is an added bonus. At 1 scoop a day I dont expect it to burn much fat, but will definitely help lean me out.

Formeron was pretty strong, probably too strong for natty lifters like myself, so will just take 1 pump every other day to stop the increase in e2 from Viron

I guess Id rather have it be too strong than weak

 

[Joshlm69]

I guess Id rather have it be too strong than weak

For sure man, does exactly what it promises

 

[Joshlm69]

Legs today

Squats

Bar x 15

133 x 10
154 x 8
154 x 8
154 x 8

Pause Push set - 110 x 12

Palm in Pullups

0 x 10
0 x 8
0 x 8
0 x 8

Leg Press supersetted with calf raises

Leg Press

250 x 15
250 x 15
250 x 15

Calf Raises

250 x 15
250 x 15
250 x 15

Volume could be better for leg day, but I seem to not push myself harder on leg day for some reason. Its the only day I dont enjoy doing so much, more of a chore. Think its because of pretty poor flexibility on my behalf, everything feels kind of uncomfortable, but gotta try fix that.

Need to get back doing 220 squats asap, even for 5x5

Ate a ton of food today which was good, trying to make up for a bad weekend of dieting

 

[Joshlm69]

Woke up pretty tired this morning, took a while to get to sleep, maybe smoked a little bit too much before bed so my head was pretty racey! Going to stop any form of partaking in that by the end of this week, I know it doesn't have positive effects on test/e2 so going to cut it out.

Shoulders

BB Military Press, 4 seconds on way down

10 x Bar
105 x 8
105 x 7
105 x 6
100 x 7
100 x 6

DB Arnie Press

88 x 8
88 x 8
88 x 6 (messed up my form here and didnt take long enough in between sets)
88 x 8
88 x 8

BB Upright Rows

66 x 6
66 x 6
66 x 6

Side Laateral raises

18 x 10
18 x 10
18 x 10

Front laateral raises

18 x 20
18 x 20
18 x 20

DB Shrugs

141 x 8
141 x 8
141 x 7
141 x 7

Weighted Pullups (30 second rest)

10 x 10
10 x 8
10 x 6

Nice session for early in the morning to be honest, just never seem to have long enough before work to put in the volume my body is craving. My weights definitely aren't anywhere near as high as they used to be, but nearly everything I do, I do 4 seconds on the negative of the movement, usually a hold at the bottom, to really control the weight and keep the tension on the muscle. Its not as satisfying as shifting big weight but definitely hurts more

 

[Joshlm69]

A lot of negative things have been happening in my body the last 2-3 weeks and I think I've been messing around with too many supps. Going to drop nearly everything and regrow and see what I really need.

Supp list will be as follows for 2 weeks

Trutein 2-3 scoops a day
Creatine Mono 5g
Opti-Men Vitamins 3 caps
ON ZMA 3 caps
BLR Follidrone (this can in no way affect libido except make blood flow better making it positive)

The only thing I may reintroduce in 2 weeks is BLR Viron

Think I'll let the gf keep alphamine all to herself, its just not worth adding in things to my supp stack that can have negative effects on my body, will just up my cardio daily instead

 

[NattyForLife]

A lot of negative things have been happening in my body the last 2-3 weeks and I think I've been messing around with too many supps. Going to drop nearly everything and regrow and see what I really need. Supp list will be as follows for 2 weeks Trutein 2-3 scoops a day Creatine Mono 5g Opti-Men Vitamins 3 caps ON Fish Oil 2 caps ON ZMA 3 caps BLR Follidrone (this can in no way affect libido except make blood flow better making it positive) The only thing I may reintroduce in 2 weeks is BLR Viron Think I'll let the gf keep alphamine all to herself, its just not worth adding in things to my supp stack that can have negative effects on my body, will just up my cardio daily instead

Whats been happening?

 

[Joshlm69]

Whats been happening?

Mainly to do with libido. Holiday was full of sex daily etc, came back from holiday, too keen for gym I guess, took the supps and a couple of them completely ruined my libido. So now going to have to take 2 weeks or so of no supps to restore my estrogen levels back to normal (I'm 99% sure this is what the issue is).

I took a DAA test booster, wont name what company it is, but it was the main reason my libido is dead.

But its fine, my gf is away for 3 weeks, ill sort my body out in this time period so I can be healthier on a day to day basis.

Oh, and I'm still going to take 4000mg-8000mg of Goji berries on a daily basis, Superfood and all

 

[Joshlm69]

These leg doms are absolutely brutal! To say I dont do mad volume on my legs, I feel very sorry for you guys.

Going to force myself to do cardio after work and break through the pain. No weights today

 

[Joshlm69]

Doms are still far too bad to do cardio, walking itself is barely tolerable.

I think I'll make sure I do cardio Mon/Thurs/Fri/Sat - As Tues/Wed just isn't going to happen, hobbling like a prison b1tch, haha

 

[Joshlm69]

Arms today, working out without Permaswole is definitely harder, feel much sleepier in the morning. Overslept my alarm so didn't have too long to workout, but still managed to do as much as possible

Close Grip Bench, 4 seconds on the way down, hold for 1 second

145 x 8
145 x 8
145 x 8
145 x 6
133 x 6

Close Grip BB Curls EZ bar

72 x 10
72 x 10

Wide Grip BB Curls EZ bar

72 x 8
72 x 8

Palm in Pullups

0 x 10
0 x 9
0 x 8

Dips

0 x 10
0 x 10
0 x 10

Superset Bicep Machine with Tricep Pushdowns

Tricep Pushdown

187 x 10
187 x 10
187 x 10

Bicep Machine

110 x 10
110 x 10
110 x 10

Like I said, definitely wasn't as strong or alert as I have been when taking permaswole/alphamine, but looking forward to training completely natural and slowly adding things in 1 by 1

Will DEFINITELY do cardio today after work, as I'm eating quite a lot more, need to make sure I do cardio, don't wana get fat!

 

[brundel]

Killing it bro.
How is overall progress?

 

[Joshlm69]

Killing it bro.
How is overall progress?

Cheers man, just wish I had more time to work out. Follidrone just gives me an unspeakable amount of motivation and determination to keep on going for hours. I've changed my workout around so I can do chest on friday afternoon and back day on Saturdays so I have no time limits on either of those days. Want to get the most out of follidrone!

Can say hands down, from all the money I've wasted on supplements in the last 2 years, follidrone is without a doubt the best natty anabolic supplement. Its so good I still haven't told my friends I'm on it as its my baby, haha.

Will be posting progress pictures every 4 weeks. Definitely not going to look as cut/big as I wanted too as I dropped the mass 550 and formeron for the mean time but, I can honestly say with Multi Vits and Follidrone, Protein and creatine, I dont need much else

 

[Joshlm69]

Designed myself a supplement plan for the next 12 months (ish). Want to do a 12 week run of follidrone then try ArA, been hearing a lot of hype about it, and can do a comparison to Follidrone without any bias input

 

[Joshlm69]

My normal diet in the week is as follows wondering if you guys can give some insight on if I need to change it

Wake up - 2 follidrone
Post workout - 1 scoop Trutein
Breakfast - 2 sachets porridge, 3 Optimen, 1 Viron, 2 Goji Berry Caps, 1 pack of Animal Flex
11am-12pm - snack on cashews
1pm - Egg Salad and Slice of southern fried chicken breast, or chicken/salad wrap with slice of southern fried chicken breast
3pm - 1 scoop Trutein, 2 goji Berrys, 1 scoop Creatine Mono
6.30pm - Chicken, Avacado, Tomatoes, Spinach, Potatoes or some sort of Carb
9pm - Smoothie with 1 scoop Trutein, Berrys and blackberries, Low fat Greek Yoghurt
10.30pm 3 ZMA, sleep

Obviously my goal is to weight gain, but I would like it to be clean weight

 

[CT3]

I train in the mornings also. My routine (right,wrong or indifferent) is:
430-Folli/pre
500-gym
630-post workout- 1-1.5 scoops protein depending on workout (maybe 2 on leg day) + 1/2 - 1 scoop carbo gain. I feel like having the carb powder post workout has helped me a lot.
730-breakfast-2 eggs + 1 cup oatmeal
900-930-1 scoop protein blend (something with casein & whey) + banana
1100-lunch
200-230- afternoon snack-varies
530-dinner-varies
830-1 scoop casein if needed depending on daily macros, this has only been 1-2 times a week on average

 

[Joshlm69]

I train in the mornings also. My routine (right,wrong or indifferent) is:
430-Folli/pre
500-gym
630-post workout- 1-1.5 scoops protein depending on workout (maybe 2 on leg day) + 1/2 - 1 scoop carbo gain. I feel like having the carb powder post workout has helped me a lot.
730-breakfast-2 eggs + 1 cup oatmeal
900-930-1 scoop protein blend (something with casein & whey) + banana
1100-lunch
200-230- afternoon snack-varies
530-dinner-varies
830-1 scoop casein if needed depending on daily macros, this has only been 1-2 times a week on average

I was thinking about adding a scoop of carbs post workout. Is instant oats sufficient? or would I have to get something like dextrose?

Also, you have casein before bed, isn't blend better? I just have 3-4 big tubs of Trutein and take that 2-3 times a day, as I thought blend is pretty superior to Whey or Casein solo, I may be wrong

 

[CT3]

I was thinking about adding a scoop of carbs post workout. Is instant oats sufficient? or would I have to get something like dextrose? Also, you have casein before bed, isn't blend better? I just have 3-4 big tubs of Trutein and take that 2-3 times a day, as I thought blend is pretty superior to Whey or Casein solo, I may be wrong

I think both of these could be argued. I like the dextrose post but I'm sure a lot like oats. Also, I like pure casein if I'm using it pre sleep since I'm not really looking for a fast digesting protein at that time. But there also, trutein is a good blend and should be good.

 

[Joshlm69]

I think both of these could be argued. I like the dextrose post but I'm sure a lot like oats. Also, I like pure casein if I'm using it pre sleep since I'm not really looking for a fast digesting protein at that time. But there also, trutein is a good blend and should be good.

I have 5kg of instant oats from myprotein at home, so may aswell use them before getting dextrose.

I have my blend with my smoothie at night time about 2 hours before bed, which works for me =)

 

[kisaj]

My three comments are that I give you credit for laying out meal routines like you have and sticking with them. I did this for almost 20 years and it becomes second nature. Second, I think that you would benefit from taking the carbs post workout. Third, I have always rolled my eyes at the debate over whey, casein, blend, etc because I used to follow all the latest "studies" and almost everyone I trained with did as well, and it honestly never made any difference. We'd get our main source from food and the shakes were just fillers to add calories or protein. In the end, if there was a miniscule difference, no one noticed it.

 

[CT3]

My three comments are that I give you credit for laying out meal routines like you have and sticking with them. I did this for almost 20 years and it becomes second nature. Second, I think that you would benefit from taking the carbs post workout. Third, I have always rolled my eyes at the debate over whey, casein, blend, etc because I used to follow all the latest "studies" and almost everyone I trained with did as well, and it honestly never made any difference. We'd get our main source from food and the shakes were just fillers to add calories or protein. In the end, if there was a miniscule difference, no one noticed it.

Agreed.

 

[Joshlm69]

My three comments are that I give you credit for laying out meal routines like you have and sticking with them. I did this for almost 20 years and it becomes second nature. Second, I think that you would benefit from taking the carbs post workout. Third, I have always rolled my eyes at the debate over whey, casein, blend, etc because I used to follow all the latest "studies" and almost everyone I trained with did as well, and it honestly never made any difference. We'd get our main source from food and the shakes were just fillers to add calories or protein. In the end, if there was a miniscule difference, no one noticed it.

Words of wisdom

 

[Joshlm69]

Gotta say boys, Trutein Chocolate Peanut Butter Cup with 400ml of half fat milk is incredible!

Just need Predator nutrition to hurry up and get PES select back in stock so I can get some awesome flavours in my life

 

[goodvibes]

You don't need a break from Viron?

 

[Joshlm69]

You don't need a break from Viron?

Im not sure how long for, maybe 8-12 but didnt pen it in

 

[goodvibes]

Im not sure how long for, maybe 8-12 but didnt pen it in

aahh... on your log it showed a 12 month cycle. I was just wondering if one didn't need to cycle off them. Folli & ArA are great supps. I have tried both as stand alone and I love both in a different way LOL

 

[kisaj]

You don't need a break from Viron?

No break is needed with Viron. It is recommended to run it in a mini weekly cycle as in a 4/3 or 5/2.

 

[Joshlm69]

No break is needed with Viron. It is recommended to run it in a mini weekly cycle as in a 4/3 or 5/2.

Ive been taking it 1/1/0/1/1/1/0 - so 5 on 2 off

 

[kisaj]

That's an interesting cycle, but whatever works for you is how you should do it, IMO.

 

[ELROCK]

Hi Guys,

Little bit about myself. I've always been the ridiculously skinny kid which found/finds it impossible to put on weight easily. When I stopped growing I was 6ft 1 tall and 140lbs. Ive gymed here and there from 18-23 but never much, was always still skinny.

Summer of 2012 I decided to start gyming properly, although neglected working legs because I'm a tool. Finally in January 2014 I went to a compound heavy routine and started squatting and deadlifting, and have been loving the gym ever since.

Ive gone from 60kg to 77kg and kept my body fat around the same, progress photos below

Pre Gym

1 Year

Current

My Current Weight is 75kg as I havent gymed in 2 weeks due to back problems and going on holiday today so wont be gyming for another week. But will be starting my log on the 26th .

My Current 5x5 lifts

Deadlift 310 1 x 5
Squats 175 5 x 5
Bench 205 5x5

1RM

Deadlift 330
Squat 220
Bench 235

Yeah, I'm one of those awful people that can bench more than they can squat. From Jan - May I was squatting 3 x a week so I'm trying to change that!

With this log, Which will start off as a 12 week cycle, Im looking to increase my weight to around 80-82kg, get my deadlift to 400, squat to 300 and bench to 265. May be optmistic but it will give me motivation to push forward.

Supplements will be:

PES select protein
Chaos & Pain PermaSwole (can't have stimulants so will have to go with a non stim pre workout)
BLR Follidrone
BLR Formeron
FinaFlex Mass 550
BLR Prolactrone (if needed)
ON Optimen (Will dose this as far away from Prolactrone as possible)
PNI EAA's (might change to Purple wraath or PES version - offer advise please)

Will probably stop Mass 550 after 12 weeks and try BLR Viron as heard great things about it.

Routine will be a 5 day split

Legs Monday
Shoulders Tuesday
Rest Wed
Back Thurs
Chest Fri
Arms Sat
Rest Sun

Will probably squat on a Saturday aswell so I am squatting twice a week, as I really want my legs to grow, which they have been slowly but surely.

Compared to all you guys I know im tiny, but I'm not logging this to look like a monster, just a hardgainer that wants to be strong and look aesthetically pleasing .

I must have missed this. I am differently in to follow your run. Great log thus far! Keep killing it!

 

[Joshlm69]

I must have missed this. I am differently in to follow your run. Great log thus far! Keep killing it!

Welcome! I've dropped most of the stack haha, but definitely sticking with follidrone and viron until the 12 week period is over, follidrone is the bees knees!

 

[Joshlm69]

That's an interesting cycle, but whatever works for you is how you should do it, IMO.

Might try the 4 on 3 off instead, seems better logically, thanks! I had it as the 1/1/0/1/1/1/0 as they were my 2 days off the gym but I guess viron kind of accumulates rather than provides something immediately on the day

 

[brundel]

Ive been taking the boron portion of viron every day for about a year now. I can tell when i stop.
Strength dips
Libido dips
Might be that shbg spikes afterward. I dont know.
Easy fix is just dont stop lol.

Same with test.....pct and training withoutnit always sucked so....i just never stop.

 

[kisaj]

I love boron. Brundel was one of the only other people I knew that took it and it was at that moment I knew I had to represent for him. haha

 

[TheMovement]

Good template and time management, seriously need to take a lesson from ya on this lol

 

[brundel]

I love boron. Brundel was one of the only other people I knew that took it and it was at that moment I knew I had to represent for him. haha

Its funnt back in the day boron was a hot item. It just sort of fell out of fashion. I started looking at it when researching ways to increase dht and free test. Id tske 20mg with 10g creatine daily and it was amazing. Certainly stronger.

 

[Auslifter]

op have you tried frenzy yet? (noticed ur uk)

 

[NattyForLife]

Its funnt back in the day boron was a hot item. It just sort of fell out of fashion. I started looking at it when researching ways to increase dht and free test. Id tske 20mg with 10g creatine daily and it was amazing. Certainly stronger.

Brundel, have you gotten a chance to post that contest diet yet?

 

[brundel]

Good template and time management, seriously need to take a lesson from ya on this lol

K
Hey ive been meaning to ask. Are you still down to test the caps? Let me know. I need to get them tested asap. 2 guys already on em. Gonna give em to 12-14 total and if it goes as planned we will make some changes.

It appears that lower doses of (-)-epi are poorly absorbed and that more, up to a point helps absorption. For some reason it also seems like above a point increasing dose becomes futile.
This is also evident when people increase Fd dose not much more happens if nothing more.

I think I have figured out how to increase absorptio enough that (-)- epi becomes a whole new beast.

Early trials have been.....interesting

 

[brundel]

Brundel, have you gotten a chance to post that contest diet yet?

No sir. Im on my phone now.
Pm me to remind me. Ill start a contest prep thread snd post the diet in there.

 

[TheMovement]

K
Hey ive been meaning to ask. Are you still down to test the caps? Let me know. I need to get them tested asap. 2 guys already on em. Gonna give em to 12-14 total and if it goes as planned we will make some changes.

It appears that lower doses of (-)-epi are poorly absorbed and that more, up to a point helps absorption. For some reason it also seems like above a point increasing dose becomes futile.
This is also evident when people increase Fd dose not much more happens if nothing more.

I think I have figured out how to increase absorptio enough that (-)- epi becomes a whole new beast.

Early trials have been.....interesting

Yes sry, maybe my mobile message hadnt went through, Pm me what you need

 

[brundel]

Just needed a yes or no. Send me your mailing address agsin just incase.