FIRST CYCLE...TEST ENANTHATE- CANT FEEL ANYTHING...

[Chados]

My bodyshape was exactly same. There is no difference.

I understand that but are you skinny?,fat? Ripped like Arnold?

 

[belgorod]

I am Skinny fat I think

 

[Smont]

What do you think, you just stick a needle in your ass and you magically transform into a superhero. What were you expecting in 4 weeks or less?

 

[AlTiTuDe06]

I think he should throw in the towel

 

[belgorod]

What do you think, you just stick a needle in your ass and you magically transform into a superhero. What were you expecting in 4 weeks or less?

But I have read that steroids are very effective on gaining mass and strength.

It has been 4 weeks and many injections. Still no effects. Yes it increased my testostorone ( Blood test confirms it ) but still I cant see effects. Anyway, today , just 1 hour ago I have received another injection. I wont give up. My cycle will finish at the end of December, so lets see what will happen...

 

[Smont]

It's not magic, it takes time

 

[mike33511]

But I have read that steroids are very effective on gaining mass and strength.

It has been 4 weeks and many injections. Still no effects. Yes it increased my testostorone ( Blood test confirms it ) but still I cant see effects. Anyway, today , just 1 hour ago I have received another injection. I wont give up. My cycle will finish at the end of December, so lets see what will happen...

Please tell us about your diet and training. Also, your gear is likely underdosed. Terrible diet + ineffective training + underdosed gear = zero results.

 

[belgorod]

Please tell us about your diet and training. Also, your gear is likely underdosed. Terrible diet + ineffective training + underdosed gear = zero results.

Ok underdosed, but still 1400 Ng / Dl. 3 times higher than my natural production. Is it still not enough? My diet is good I think. I consume 100 grams of protein every day, and I train 3 times per week.

 

[Chados]

But I have read that steroids are very effective on gaining mass and strength.

It has been 4 weeks and many injections. Still no effects. Yes it increased my testostorone ( Blood test confirms it ) but still I cant see effects. Anyway, today , just 1 hour ago I have received another injection. I wont give up. My cycle will finish at the end of December, so lets see what will happen...

Okay so skinnyfat while packing on muscles and yes test is great at it. It'll be hard to burn that much fat on a bulk especially with test only. If you have abs surely it can make them more visible but its not gonna shred you. What you can expect is a little more definition and maybe 20 pounds in weight I think is very realistic. Remember that food is key to a good cycle. If you dont gain weight and that's the goal with or without testosterone it's important to eat enough calories. Do you have any idea how much you need? Cause i can assure you that you will gain weight with the right diet.

And when you work out.. you don't stop when the muscles are burning, you push through it until you can't lift anymore. Never think, Ill have to save up energy to be able to lift next set. It's really important on steroids since it's almost impossible to break down your muscles. Natural and you can overtrain easily but not now. Every workout should be twice as hard as it would without test.

 

[Smont]

Ok underdosed, but still 1400 Ng / Dl. 3 times higher than my natural production. Is it still not enough? My diet is good I think. I consume 100 grams of protein every day, and I train 3 times per week.

Smh

 

[belgorod]

Smh

What ?

 

[mike33511]

Ok underdosed, but still 1400 Ng / Dl. 3 times higher than my natural production. Is it still not enough? My diet is good I think. I consume 100 grams of protein every day, and I train 3 times per week.

1400 ng/dL is not very much higher than the top end of the normal range. No one wants to be at 1400 ng/dL on a cycle. It's not high enough for the suppression and sides to be worth it. 2000 would be better.

 

[chemjr]

Ok underdosed, but still 1400 Ng / Dl. 3 times higher than my natural production. Is it still not enough? My diet is good I think. I consume 100 grams of protein every day, and I train 3 times per week.

What every single person in this thread has tried to tell you multiple times is that you need to read about nutrition and get that dialed in, figure out how hard you can push your body naturally before you even think about touching gear or steroids, whatever you want to call them. Once you have nutrition knowledge and have it in place in your daily life as well as a constant training regime then and only then will you notice something from using hormones. Most people here will tell you that you should reach your genetic potential first which means you need to lift for a solid 3 years and eat clean and get enough sleep before you think about touching the needle again. We are all here to help but this is the info that really matters. The reason hormones are so effective to those athletes is because those athletes are already following such a strict diet and training regime that when you add in something that helps recovery and helps allow you to over train so that your muscles can actually grow things change rather drastically compared to an average guy eating an average diet going to the gym doing an average workout. Which is pretty much what you sound like. No disrespect, trying to educate you so that you can be more successful in the future.

One last comment is I would try taking some Arginine with your Cialis or Viagra as I find that one or the other helps but both gives me a wonderful hard on. And on another note I would also comments that those brain drugs can really mess things up when it comes to getting a hard-on. Even four years after stopping use. You may want to use something that raises your dopamine levels with natural supplements like l-tyrosine or l-dopa and see if that helps. Also some nettle roots or horny goat weed or especially maca seems to help most everyone. Even women.

Hope this information penetrates and helps you. Best of luck and maybe next time around you'll be much more equipped and therefore see and experience much better results.

 

[AlTiTuDe06]

Ok underdosed, but still 1400 Ng / Dl. 3 times higher than my natural production. Is it still not enough? My diet is good I think. I consume 100 grams of protein every day, and I train 3 times per week.

100g of protein a day is a joke .... i eat that for breakfast ....u really need to listen to everyone’s constructive criticism and learn more about ur nutrition ...I can almost guarantee that ur diet is 50% of ur problem the other 50 is training and ignorance ....

 

[belgorod]

How it is possible that you consume 100 grams of protein only in breakfast?

 

[AlTiTuDe06]

I was using slight sarcasm ..... but in all honestly by lunchtime I’m already around 200grams
I consume between 300-325 a day
Weight is 218lbs

 

[Martyfnemec]

Quitters quit. It's a fact of life. Those who look for a reason to quit always find one.

This didn't go the way you wanted. You've now learned that nutrition and training are just as important off gear as on gear. You can either do the research you need to, figure out your numbers and a good routine, and get after it... Or you can quit. Stop looking for someone to agree with you. No one is going to tell you that your body "just doesn't respond" to weight training and steroids. That's complete crap, man. Eat a surplus of calories and train hard and you're going to get bigger. If you're not, add more calories. If you're still not, add more calories. I could go on... but it's going to look the same....

 

[Smont]

100g of protein a day is a joke .... i eat that for breakfast ....u really need to listen to everyone’s constructive criticism and learn more about ur nutrition ...I can almost guarantee that ur diet is 50% of ur problem the other 50 is training and ignorance ....

My 9 year old probably eats 100gm a day

 

[ericos_bob]

OP, how long have you been training and how have you progressed naturally? How tall are you?

 

[Chados]

What is your weight exactly? It's quite easy to make a cheap diet plan

 

[belgorod]

Unfortunately I progressed little naturally. My chest appeared and arms get a little bigger but thats it.

My height is 5 Ft 9", weight is 170 lbs

 

[Chados]

Unfortunately I progressed little naturally. My chest appeared and arms get a little bigger but thats it.

My height is 5 Ft 9", weight is 170 lbs

Well you're on the average range then. Just remember to work out extremly hard cause trust me the next day you won't feel any pain. Test gives a super fast recovery. And eat a lot of rice and chicken as an example. Make two or three meals with that. Cheap and effective.

 

[MagedMost]

You'll feel like a monster on 8th week.
Patience my friend patience

 

[MrKleen73]

Hello. Finally I today I got my results, ( As I told you before, I got my last injection at 5 Th of November, and the blood has taken at 7 Th November )

Also, I stopped taking Aromasin at 29 October completely. In order to understand my estradiol levels without Aromasin. So now I think I definately need to use it, because Estradiol seems very high, anyway results;

Testostorone : 1345 Ng / Dl - ( Referance Range : 249 Ng / Dl to 836 Ng / Dl )

Estradiol : 140.2 Pg / Ml - ( Referance Range : 7.63 Pg / Ml to 42.6 Pg / Ml )

Underdosed!!!

I would think his test would be higher after 4 weeks at 500mg a week.

DEFINITELY

Ok I know it is not magic, but there is NO DIFFERENCE at all. NOTHING. Thats why I feel very bad now.

I am curious about one thing, is it possible that they can make a fake steroids, that which show good results in blood analysis, but still fake ? Is it possible?

Just put less real gear in it, exactly what they did with yours. Ripped you off.

You'll feel like a monster on 8th week.
Patience my friend patience

No he wont, his gear is SEVERELY UNDERDOSED!!!!!! My levels would be higher than 1400 on 200mg of Test E a week. AT BEST his stuff is half dosed.... If I wait one week from my last shot at 150mg a week my levels are 1000, so they are getting close to 1400 the day of and after my shot and that is at 150mg a week. Not 500mg a week.
belgorod - Brother everyone has tried in here, but you need a therapist, and a dose of reality. Gear is not going to correct your erection problem, and correcting your erection problem is not going to correct your emotional problems... Now correcting your emotional problems might correct your erection problems but that is not something for anyone on this board to worry about but you.

If you want to grow you need to fugging eat bro, work out hard as a mofo, and eat!!!! There is no truth to the take some gear and barely work out and get buff thought process. You had no business getting on gear, and even now with it really coming out to basically being on TRT instead of a cycle you are at least not hurting your health like maybe you would have if our gear were well dosed.

If you ever decide to run gear again do some damn research and have all of these things set up already, including your training protocol, support supplements, PCT if not going on TRT, and DEFINITELY learn about nutrition. By the way how can you eat 100g of protein in one sitting? Easily, eat a 12 oz Sirloin steak... there is 96 grams of protein right there... I normally get myself a 16oz!

 

[Cgkone]

Bro 100 grams is not enough for a woman.
1400 test is not even on a cycle.
Do more test
Add a fast oral
Eat double what your eating
Train double what your training

 

[Cgkone]

Get mad get serious
Go do synthol and get implants if you want the look only

 

[heavylifter33]

ya'll gettin fukin trolled hard by that OP lol

 

[Smont]

ya'll gettin fukin trolled hard by that OP lol

Agreed, no1 can be that stupid

 

[belgorod]

Agreed, no1 can be that stupid

Shut up, bitch. You are stupid. If you want to say something usefull, say. If you dont, **** off from my topic.

 

[belgorod]

ya'll gettin fukin trolled hard by that OP lol

What the **** are you talking about? Are you idiot? I am not trolling.

 

[Smont]

Shut up, bitch. You are stupid. If you want to say something usefull, say. If you dont, **** off from my topic.

Well at least we know the emotional problem is real

 

[belgorod]

Well at least we know the emotional problem is real

You just cant come here and tell me that I am stupid.

I am not stupid and I am just telling my experiences with steroids. Why are you talking crap ?

 

[belgorod]

Well at least we know the emotional problem is real

I am really curious about your reasoning. Just tell me, why do you think I am stupid? And I will answer it.

 

[Smont]

Calm down big guy, have you tried going to a Dr instead of self treating your problems? You want real advice well here it is. 1, you need to learn how to eat and train without drugs before you can train with them. 2, self treating can set you up for much bigger problems. 3 stop being so sensitive, your not a child. 4, go see a therapist and a Endo it get the treatment you need. Talking to a bunch of ppl you know nothing about is not going to fix you

 

[belgorod]

Calm down big guy, have you tried going to a Dr instead of self treating your problems? You want real advice well here it is. 1, you need to learn how to eat and train without drugs before you can train with them. 2, self treating can set you up for much bigger problems. 3 stop being so sensitive, your not a child. 4, go see a therapist and a Endo it get the treatment you need. Talking to a bunch of ppl you know nothing about is not going to fix you

Ok I understand but why people telling me that I am stupid or troll ? I just cant understand this. This is a steroid forum so I can write about it.

The weird thing is, why increasing Testostorone cant increase the quality of erections ?I still cant understand this. It does not make any sense to me at all.

You say eating and training bla bla bla, but I have seen very small guys blow up with steroids, thats why I thought they are miracle. Even some girls blow up they became huge muscle monsters. So it is a huge disappointment to me.

I have also read some studies about Testostorone, some people received 600 Mg Test E for 12 weeks and they put up 15-20 lbs muscle mass WITHOUT EVEN tranining.

But for me, nothing happened. So why I am stupid ? Just because my expectations are high? Or what? My expectations were not based on dreams. It was based on other people and some studies. So clearly all of them are wrong, or my body just cant use steroid. Non Responder or something like that I dont know. But I feel really bad.

 

[Chados]

I don't get much boner from test. We're all different, I think your problems are in your head.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Ok I understand but why people telling me that I am stupid or troll ? I just cant understand this. This is a steroid forum so I can write about it.

The weird thing is, why increasing Testostorone cant increase the quality of erections ?I still cant understand this. It does not make any sense to me at all.

You say eating and training bla bla bla, but I have seen very small guys blow up with steroids, thats why I thought they are miracle. Even some girls blow up they became huge muscle monsters. So it is a huge disappointment to me.

I have also read some studies about Testostorone, some people received 600 Mg Test E for 12 weeks and they put up 15-20 lbs muscle mass WITHOUT EVEN tranining.

But for me, nothing happened. So why I am stupid ? Just because my expectations are high? Or what? My expectations were not based on dreams. It was based on other people and some studies. So clearly all of them are wrong, or my body just cant use steroid. Non Responder or something like that I dont know. But I feel really bad.

We all know this study -and hardly anyone can relate to its conclusion. I call it flawed -or even bullsh1t. They gave 600mg test to people but no AI ! And not one of the subjects got estrogen problems, well, that is odd, right? I bet they counted the enhanced glycogen retention in muscles as muscle mass. Everyone who tries this, without training seriously, will get fat, period. You can write as a reference: "Hairygrandpa said so."

 

[belgorod]

We all know this study -and hardly anyone can relate to its conclusion. I call it flawed -or even bullsh1t. They gave 600mg test to people but no AI ! And not one of the subjects got estrogen problems, well, that is odd, right? I bet they counted the enhanced glycogen retention in muscles as muscle mass. Everyone who tries this, without training seriously, will get fat, period. You can write as a reference: "Hairygrandpa said so."

Maybe that study is BS I dont know.

But one thing I noticed , that, I can recover faster now. In the past, I had some serious pains after training. I could not recover 5-6 days. Now I can recover easily.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Maybe that study is BS I dont know.

But one thing I noticed , that, I can recover faster now. In the past, I had some serious pains after training. I could not recover 5-6 days. Now I can recover easily.

Give it time, train hard, eat more protein (100gr is not enough) sleep at least 8 hours/day and you will gain muscles. Muscles are heavy (meat is heavy right?), you have to eat more than usual to make muscles grow, they can't grow from air, obviously.

 

[Martyfnemec]

You say eating and training bla bla bla, but I have seen very small guys blow up with steroids, thats why I thought they are miracle. Even some girls blow up they became huge muscle monsters. So it is a huge disappointment to me.

This is the point a lot of us are making... It's not "bla bla bla." That is the part that makes you grow muscles. The gear pushes that to the extreme. You can gain muscle without steroids using these variables. You can gain A LOT of muscles using these variables and steroids.

 

[MrKleen73]

Ok I understand but why people telling me that I am stupid or troll ? I just cant understand this. This is a steroid forum so I can write about it.

The weird thing is, why increasing Testostorone cant increase the quality of erections ?I still cant understand this. It does not make any sense to me at all.

You say eating and training bla bla bla, but I have seen very small guys blow up with steroids, thats why I thought they are miracle. Even some girls blow up they became huge muscle monsters. So it is a huge disappointment to me.

I have also read some studies about Testostorone, some people received 600 Mg Test E for 12 weeks and they put up 15-20 lbs muscle mass WITHOUT EVEN tranining.

But for me, nothing happened. So why I am stupid ? Just because my expectations are high? Or what? My expectations were not based on dreams. It was based on other people and some studies. So clearly all of them are wrong, or my body just cant use steroid. Non Responder or something like that I dont know. But I feel really bad.

Okay this is a bodybuilding forum with an anabolics section... and if it were actually a steroid board you would be getting RIPPED TO SHREDS for your lack of research into gear before taking a cycle. S

Secondly you the example of what makes every responsible steroid user look bad! You may not be stupid, but you are definitely WILLFULLY IGNORANT!!!! Ignorant means you do not possess knowledge of a topic. In this respect you are ignorant when it comes to gear, training, and nutrition. That does not mean you can not become knowledgeable and says nothing about your intelligence other than the fact you choose to remain ignorant even while those in the know keep telling you that YOU NEED TO LEARN THE BASICS!!!!

The fact that you are being thick headed about not taking advise to learn about these things and keep operating under incorrect assumptions... basically wasting people's time. We try and be helpful but you want spoon fed the information. If you want me to be spoon feed information then you need to pay for it!!!! You want to be serious without researching for yourself, then hit me up and for a one time fee I will set up your entire gear, training and nutrition cycle. Then all you have to do is execute what you were told to do. I can promise a solid program based on science but I can not promise results because you do not seem to want to follow directions. I have asked you to download an Anabolic Bible or some other Anabolic Steroid related book or PDF so you can learn this stuff well over a week ago and if you had started reading it you would not still be asking any of these questions!

Testosterone MAY help the quality of your erections if the problem with the quality of your erections is low testosterone. Short of that PDE inhibitors or maybe if things get too bad a penis pump and a cocck ring to hold the blood in!

Maybe that study is BS I dont know.

But one thing I noticed , that, I can recover faster now. In the past, I had some serious pains after training. I could not recover 5-6 days. Now I can recover easily.

Well yes and you should. You went from lower test to above normal that is going to help recovery. However for the cycle you are on your levels should have been around 3000. If you had stronger gear you would definitely notice more... However with your subpar training and diet you will still see subpar results regardless of the quality of the gear. Much better than you would with the way you train and not having gear that is...

This is the point a lot of us are making... It's not "bla bla bla." That is the part that makes you grow muscles. The gear pushes that to the extreme. You can gain muscle without steroids using these variables. You can gain A LOT of muscles using these variables and steroids.

Exactly, the Bla, Bla, Bla crap is the problem and to be honest it is completely disrespectful to EVERYONE who works hard, trains hard, and tries to follow a solid nutrition plan. Not just people on gear but to anyone truly making an effort!!!! It discredits the massive amounts of effort put forth by these individuals because you dismiss it and are honestly ignorant enough to believe the hype that all it takes is a needle in the ass to make a perfect body...

Sorry to lay it down brother, but you asked honestly. I have tried to give you all the info I could but bottom line is if you aren't going to do any of the foundational work, then everything you do will end up lackluster... I imagine this behavior probably permeates the rest of your life as well. Stop waiting to be spoonfed, have enough respect for those you ask advice from to actually research the topic on your own. Research means studies upon studies, not finding one or two and going off of that. Even better tons of people already researched this stuff and wrote books like the Anabolic Bible, and other steroid specific books, same with training and nutrition books. One I could recommend for training would be Fortitude Training, he goes into some good basics on nutrition, and the training info is excellent.

 

[baddaddee]

I have also read some studies about Testostorone, some people received 600 Mg Test E for 12 weeks and they put up 15-20 lbs muscle mass WITHOUT EVEN tranining.

That study shows up and is debated on BB forums now and then. It's BS. If we all could put on that much muscle per cycle laying on the couch, after 5 cycles we would all be huge. Honestly, if I can put on 5 to 8 pounds of keep-able muscle per cycle I consider that a win. And that's with hard, dedicated training and diet. There is no miracle pill or shot.

Your gear is bunk, I'm on 500mg EW of test E(and a few other things) right now and 6 or 7 weeks in my total test came back a little over 3000. Also, your diet sucks. I could not gain any muscle on 100 grams of protein a day. I take in 250 to 300 grams of protein a day. Diet is key to everything. Get the "My fitness pal" app and start tracking your food and dialing in your diet. Once you get your diet and training really dialed in your body will show it.

 

[AlTiTuDe06]

^^^^^^^
I second the my “fitness pal “ makes counting so much easier and nearly everything I eat is in the database

 

[MrKleen73]

I do have to say this, everyone keeps telling him he Must have more protein, that really isn't the case. If he is under 200lbs then he is still getting in enough protein to grow. ONLY if his carbs and fats are high enough to support his energy needs 100g is actually enough for him to grow. I thought he mentioned being around 170 and skinny fat so that would have him around 20%bf and about 146lbs lbm which is basically .7g /lb lbm and within the .4-.8 g/lb of lbm growth ranges touted by science.

Again being that low he would need to have pretty high carb intake to spare the protein, but 100g is plenty if all other requirements are being met including a surplus.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I do have to say this, everyone keeps telling him he Must have more protein, that really isn't the case. If he is under 200lbs then he is still getting in enough protein to grow. ONLY if his carbs and fats are high enough to support his energy needs 100g is actually enough for him to grow. I thought he mentioned being around 170 and skinny fat so that would have him around 20%bf and about 146lbs lbm which is basically .7g /lb lbm and within the .4-.8 g/lb of lbm growth ranges touted by science.

Again being that low he would need to have pretty high carb intake to spare the protein, but 100g is plenty if all other requirements are being met including a surplus.

You are saying: "He is doing good!" LOL

 

[MrKleen73]

You are saying: "He is doing good!" LOL

LMAO!!!!! Talk about a misunderstanding! I in know way implied that! Don't lose me my reputation on here now!!!!
I am almost 100% sure he is not eating enough because he doesn't mention prioritizing anything other than getting 100g of protein a day.

I am just saying that too many people yell absolutes from mountain tops when other factors MUST be considered before making blanket statements like 100g of protein is not enough to grow on. I know of people who run 100g protein and 600-700g of carbs a day and grow like weeds. The reality is that anything over .8g / lb of lbm is pretty much based on personal preference, satiety and recommendations that come from the people who created protein powders to make profit from them...

Now with some geared users who have super physiological protein synthesis capabilities, increasing protein up to 1.25g/lb of body weight has shown some extra gains in some people and no added effect in others. Considering there are no reasons not to go this high, and often it helps keep you feeling fed most people will run protein between .8 and 1.5g / lb of body weight.

Protein was pushed with the "More is better!" outlook by all the supplement companies and magazines that feed consumers into the supplement companies that it has gotten to be where you commonly see smaller guys, (under 200) running 300-400g of protein and thinking this is going to make them grow more... Unfortunately that is not how it works. Those people are being taken advantage of by a well oiled marketing machine in the bodybuilding community.

 

[Smont]

That's what I was thinking. Response to diet was 100gm of protein. Now don't get me wrong. If he's cramming down 500gm of carbs with that and some healthy fats then maybe, but even if that, 500gm of carbs from rice would have a good amount of protein, same with pasta or potatoes. At this point mine as well be on a vegan diet.

 

[belgorod]

Today I checked my self and I am 174 Lbs.

The thing is, I think I am getting enough protein, but not enough calories. Thats the problem I think.

 

[Chados]

Today I checked my self and I am 174 Lbs.

The thing is, I think I am getting enough protein, but not enough calories. Thats the problem I think.

That's the reason for not gaining weight yes, with or without test

 

[AlTiTuDe06]

Today I checked my self and I am 174 Lbs.

The thing is, I think I am getting enough protein, but not enough calories. Thats the problem I think.

What are ur calories?