DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

[andrew732]

It's really not that simple. You have to show that any new dietary supplement is safe for human consumption if it is not found regularly in the food supply. It's up to you as a supplement company to do this. Often times being innovative and differentiating your product requires significant scientific knowledge and some theory. Unfortunately that doesn't always add up to sound proof that your product is safe. Not because it isn't, but because it's harder to prove without excessive in vivo research. And as we know if there is a **** ton of positive research on a compound then everyone is going to sell it (ex, daa). I think we may forever see problems like this for companies that try to be a little more innovative and different. What's funny is we can still buy superdrol...

It also doesn't have to be sold by pharma, it can be in clinicals still and it would no longer be considered a dietary supplement.

I'm not saying craze doesn't adhere to those principles though. And I agree with you regarding the betas at WADA.

I also agree with your valid points, as this makes it safe for consumers, which is why all companies should get cheap prices on HPLC testing but that is for another time. I can say there is research on dendrobine but no doubt if they supposedly found something. Then by all means bring it to light, but we all know that NO ONE does something without there being a reward for themselves. Superdrol is still around simply because of the fact that there is plenty of evidence what it does to the human body, what are safer durations to use it as, and I am sure there are some congress man that like to throw it in with their TRT...

 

[3clipseGT]

I trust DS completely in the fact of knowing that there wasnt and isnt illegal stimulants in craze.

Yes some products wont match up well with some people and will cause adverse reactions. Its going to happen. But because you took one product and didnt have a reaction to your liking it now contains illegal or bad stuff? I mean come on now. Some people take stuff too far.

Craze is a great product for many people so dont push your beliefs on others just because it wasnt what you wanted.

 

[Tomahawk88]

I was a little taken back by some of the reviews of Craze. The experiences they were reporting were crazy. After taking it I wouldnt say it is the best thing to ever happen, but it is a pretty damn good workout. Kind of hard to explain exactly how I feel, but it is good and helps make my workouts a little more interesting. Wouldnt compare the come down effects to Anabolic Xtreme's Slim Xtreme. That was what I imagine speed to be like. Would be up all night on SX after taking it in the morning. Craze can keep me up a little bit but it is also taken later which can happen with any preworkout. With that said I do have sleep issues to begin with.

Was a bit curious when I got an email from Nutra about the price of Craze(???).

 

[phatmike0704]

dam, def gotta try it now. wish they did samples

 

[BigRigg]

I'm a big fan of craze, tastes like **** though

 

[Airborne42]

Come on now... Everybody loves some grape drink Lmao

 

[howwedo107]

This stuff is on sale at nutra

 

[MAxximal]

in for more

 

[laserbluess]

funny that it goes on sale the day i see this lawsuit business.

 

[kingdong]

I dont know how against this I am. I mean, supplements are supposed to be natural supplements. If a company whants to make its own chemicals that affect your brain in a weird way, it should label its product "Somethig new. not natural" or something like that.

 

[Geoforce]

funny that it goes on sale the day i see this lawsuit business.

I can think of a few other products I want to get lawsuits soon then

This thread is interesting and all but I'm really waiting to hear from Robboe.

 

[rhgunner]

$24.89

 

[Diesel0022]

Isnt this the same guy that tried to sue USPlabs?

 

[thedarce]

i need to buy a tub sooner than later

 

[Est1969]

For all the flack aimed at the FDA, we still need to keep the gov't involved in regulating the food supply. It wasn't that long ago that straight up rat poison was sold as a 'health tonic' in the US. In China, babies are killed by unregulated milk supplements, etc.

I can't recall how to use a mass spectrometer, so I prefer the gov't keep an eye on these folks for me. Just my opinion.

Still: Love me some CRAZE! Will miss that stuff if it disappears.

 

[Est1969]

I'm a big fan of craze, tastes like **** though

No way! Stuff tastes awesome. If you want nasty...bite into a Dexaprine. Won't make that mistake again.

 

[Airborne42]

Daa tastes like ****! Not this

 

[saggy321]

I trust DS completely in the fact of knowing that there wasnt and isnt illegal stimulants in craze.

Yes some products wont match up well with some people and will cause adverse reactions. Its going to happen. But because you took one product and didnt have a reaction to your liking it now contains illegal or bad stuff? I mean come on now. Some people take stuff too far.

Craze is a great product for many people so dont push your beliefs on others just because it wasnt what you wanted.

This really isn't about pushing beliefs. I understand fully that supplements, drugs or any other compound will vary in the effects upon individuals partly due to the consumers unique biochemistry. My problem with this supplement, as a couple of people have mentioned, is more to do with the advertising of the said compound. I only bought it because it led me to believe that it was a nootropic blend that was inert on the sympathetic nervous system and concocted for those looking for something free of geranium and its variants. Its unique selling point or value proposition was that its was an anxiety and jitter free when for many it was the opposite.

Anyway, as I mentioned in my earlier post I only posted my experience a couple of times and then when someone asked for opinions on the product. I will refrain from saying any more as I only have my subjective experience to go on. Lets just wait and see how this progresses.

 

[kingdong]

For all the flack aimed at the FDA, we still need to keep the gov't involved in regulating the food supply. It wasn't that long ago that straight up rat poison was sold as a 'health tonic' in the US. In China, babies are killed by unregulated milk supplements, etc.

I can't recall how to use a mass spectrometer, so I prefer the gov't keep an eye on these folks for me. Just my opinion.

Still: Love me some CRAZE! Will miss that stuff if it disappears.

Yup! It is what it is

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Isnt this the same guy that tried to sue USPlabs?

I believe lg as well

 

[Geoforce]

Isnt this the same guy that tried to sue USPlabs?

How did that ever come out? Did they settle?

 

[kingjameskjf]

No way! Stuff tastes awesome. If you want nasty...bite into a Dexaprine. Won't make that mistake again.

Of course chomping on Dexaprine would be nasty. It's a capsule meant to be swallowed and not flavored.

DS has always made solid products but I haven't tried craze. I can't say that I'd condemn them quite yet though.

 

[SwolenONE]

o wow... guess it was only a matter of time (pertaining to hard stims in general since we have seen many banned, not Craze in particular)

 

[VaughnTrue]

o wow... guess it was only a matter of time (pertaining to hard stims in general since we have seen many banned, not Craze in particular)

ive been saying this for close to 2 years now...

First they will clean up PH's(almost finished now), then they will turn to stimulants(we're just getting started), and then it's going to turn into anything that can provide an anabolic environment.

 

[D3Baseball]

ive been saying this for close to 2 years now...

First they will clean up PH's(almost finished now), then they will turn to stimulants(we're just getting started), and then it's going to turn into anything that can provide an anabolic environment.

I'd imagine the only things they'll take away are things that are not easily misused (no PCT on PHs, overuse of powerful stimulants, etc). Why not just tax the hell out of the industry, then they'll all be pro-supplement sales.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

ive been saying this for close to 2 years now...

First they will clean up PH's(almost finished now), then they will turn to stimulants(we're just getting started), and then it's going to turn into anything that can provide an anabolic environment.

But they will never take our porn!

 

[VaughnTrue]

But they will never take our porn!

not is Santorum has anythign to say about it...

 

[demolition]

But they will never take our porn!

:toofunny:

 

[Airborne42]

not is Santorum has anythign to say about it...

Lmao that's right!!! He wants to ban ALL porn X-D ****er.... I'd have to woop his ass

 

[howwedo107]

They are scared of us getting muscles!!! Lol just bought some craze for 20$ **** it

 

[Airborne42]

That's how u do it! We are all CRAZE whores now!!!

 

[Airborne42]

Once we have people railing it, smoking it or bangin it in there peehole......theeeeeeen we might have a problem X-D

 

[demolition]

or bangin it in there peehole

Dont knock it till you try it man....its not that bad and no i dont have a problem.

 

[Airborne42]

Bro.... Lmao relax you took it all wrong! I am using craze... I love the ****. I take 2 scoops.

 

[demolition]

Bro.... Lmao relax you took it all wrong! I am using craze... I love the ****. I take 2 scoops.

Im talking about slamming it my pee hole man lol i wasnt jumping your **** bro.:friday:

 

[Airborne42]

OH ****!!! I feel like a dip **** right now Haha I'm so tired. Been up since 32 hours ago....no sleep.

 

[demolition]

OH ****!!! I feel like a dip **** right now Haha I'm so tired. Been up since 32 hours ago....no sleep.

LOL to much craze man.... put the scooper down!!!

 

[howwedo107]

Just snorted a line of craze!!! Hello Charlie sheen status!!!!

 

[Geoforce]

Just snorted a line of craze!!! Hello Charlie sheen status!!!!

CRAZING!

 

[AutoKal47]

Official DS reply on another board.. dunno if I can link it but this is:

Sorry it took so long to get the post up but its been a busy day as you can all imagine. Craze is accurately labeled for all of its ingredients and does not contain any amphetamines. Our lawyers have been notified of the case and with it being an on going legal manner we cannot comment further.

 

[scjordan]

Please if any of you are giving in to this....I'll be glad to take all your craze off your hands.

 

[jtracy33]

Please if any of you are giving in to this....I'll be glad to take all your craze off your hands.

No kidding I'll even pay shipping lol

 

[Geoforce]

Official DS reply on another board.. dunno if I can link it but this is:

Sorry it took so long to get the post up but its been a busy day as you can all imagine. Craze is accurately labeled for all of its ingredients and does not contain any amphetamines. Our lawyers have been notified of the case and with it being an on going legal manner we cannot comment further.

Nice find. Honestly DS has always seemed like a great company to me. Just look at Robboe's blog, the guy understands science and has been around the industry for a while. I don't think they would risk a good thing going by spiking their product.

 

[LikeMike]

Subbed

 

[EArch]

total BS because I like DS so much and have so much disdain for the FDA and WADA (lol WADA)

But thats why I stopped using stims (minus EC for cutting) and preworkouts lol never no how long they will be around and dont wanna get addicted.

 

[nokkT]

Man, love some craze. Subbed.

 

[DJBeanPole]

Oh man I'll have one helluva picture to show you guys in a few days... lol...

 

[mw1]

ive been saying this for close to 2 years now...

First they will clean up PH's(almost finished now), then they will turn to stimulants(we're just getting started), and then it's going to turn into anything that can provide an anabolic environment.

That does seem to look like the way its going

 

[ericool007]

Never wanted Craze until now
just ordered some lol i bet this scare will help there sales

 

[Airborne42]

LOL to much craze man.... put the scooper down!!!

Lol I work graveyard so its hard not to be awake all the time X-D LOL