Dmz/stano/trest log

[Mystere3]

I have and wouldn't recommend that. Hdrol/furaz would be fine, or another run of dmz.

Ultimately don't worry about glycogen/water, it's going to happen and goes away so it doesn't matter anyways.

 

[Mystere3]

Msten is like sd but with less gains and the same or maybe slightly less sides. Dmz is like sd but with less sides and similar gains if you dose it higher.

Stano is +/-.

 

[Mystere3]

I've run it a lot, 20 mg is useless. You want at least 50 mg.

 

[Peppers]

I started at about 232, so not quite yet. Bf is about 10-11% now, prolly 4% drop from cycle start. I cut pretty fast so this isn't unusual; if just looks crazy bc of the carb refeed over the weekend. I was 237 before the weekend so it's only a 3 lb drop in about a week. With lots of stims and low carb diet I usually cut about 1-2 lb a week without losing much muscle with osta. I'll prolly lose a bit of muscle through the course of the cut but it's fine. I think I gained about 5-6 lb of muscle on the cycle and dropped 3-4 lb of fat, with a ton of water and muscle glycogen gained. I was up 13 lb despite keeping cals at maintainance so you have to assume most of those gains are muscle glycogen or water.

I'd take those gains anyday.

 

[Mystere3]

Yeah I liked that cycle!

 

[Peppers]

Msten is like sd but with less gains and the same or maybe slightly less sides. Dmz is like sd but with less sides and similar gains if you dose it higher. Stano is +/-.

Tbh, I hear good things about the gains from Msten but I also hear to much about the sides.
I'll never run it.

That's why I chose DMZ.

 

[Mystere3]

Tbh, I hear good things about the gains from Msten but I also hear to much about the sides.
I'll never run it.

That's why I chose DMZ.

I like msten too but dmz is the best; basically no sides and great gains.

 

[Peppers]

I like msten too but dmz is the best; basically no sides and great gains.

I'm getting antsy, I wanna start this cycle now lol
Gotta be patient tho.

 

[Mystere3]

Good workout tonight:

Rest pause curls with 155 lb Olympic bar (20 sec rest)

155 x 20, 8

Skulls with 155 lb Olympic bar, drop set to cgbp.

155 x 12, 18

Skulls really toast your tris; I can probably do 50-60 reps with 155 without the skull preexhaustion.

Giant set, no rest:

50 lb concentration curls x 8, reverse curl x 8, normal curl x 8, cross-body hammer x 8

Db overhead tricep press, rest pause:

120 x 20, 8

Seated incline hammer drop set:

70 x 8 full, 4 half
60 x 6 full
50 x 8 full, 4 half

Machine dip rest pause: 360 x 18, 7

Db Concentration curl rest pause:
60 x 10, 5

Rope pushdown drop set:
200 x 16 apart, 6 down
150 x 10 apart, 6 down

Nice pump! Glad I got a good workout after my lackluster one the other day.

 

[Mystere3]

Weight 234.5

Back later today.

 

[Mystere3]

Today, quick back workout:

Db pullovers 2 x 8 x 100
Db one arm row 2 x 8 x 150
Seated Shrug machine 2 x 8 x 360
Rear delt pec deck 2 x 8 x 150
Face pull 2 x 8 x 200
Hammer strength high row 2 x 8 x 450
Hammer strength low row 2 x 8 x 450
Cable row 2 x 8 x 300

In and out today!

 

[Mystere3]

Weight stable at 234.6, legs today:

Squat drop set 405 x 8, 315 x 10, 225 x 12, 135 x 10, bar x 8

Deadlift drop set 405 x 12, 315 x 10, 225 x 14, 135 x 16

Leg press drop set:
900 x 10, 810 x 8, 720 x 6, 630 x 8, 540 x 6, 450 x 8, 360 x 10, 270 x 10, 180 x 12, 90 x 20 whew

Leg curl drop set:
180 x 12, 135 x 8, 90 x 10, 45 x 20

Seated calf drop set:
270 x 20, 225 x 10, 135 x 10, 90 x 8, 45 x 20

 

[Peppers]

My hats off to you on that one.

Even at my working weight lb for lb, I wouldn't make it through that. I'd be cramped up, puking or passing out lol

Good **** bro..

 

[edje007]

Weight stable at 234.6, legs today:

Squat drop set 405 x 8, 315 x 10, 225 x 12, 135 x 10, bar x 8

Deadlift drop set 405 x 12, 315 x 10, 225 x 14, 135 x 16

Leg press drop set:
900 x 10, 810 x 8, 720 x 6, 630 x 8, 540 x 6, 450 x 8, 360 x 10, 270 x 10, 180 x 12, 90 x 20 whew

Leg curl drop set:
180 x 12, 135 x 8, 90 x 10, 45 x 20

Seated calf drop set:
270 x 20, 225 x 10, 135 x 10, 90 x 8, 45 x 20

Damn....sweet work out.

You smashed your legs.

 

[CT3]

Crawling out of the gym...

 

[Mystere3]

Yeah that leg press drop set almost finished me after DL/squats. brutal.

 

[funkd0c]

Deadlift is something I don't dropset. Don't wanna chance lower back issues. But you killed it. Nice work sir

 

[Mystere3]

Deadlift is something I don't dropset. Don't wanna chance lower back issues. But you killed it. Nice work sir

Yeah you have to stop when you feel your form breaking down.

I have pretty strong lower back muscles and use my inzer belt. I also don't work anywhere near my max.

 

[Mystere3]

what's your max, curious lol

i feel a 650+ coming

Around that; I don't lift heavy anymore.

 

[Spaniard]

Today, quick back workout:

Db pullovers 2 x 8 x 100
Db one arm row 2 x 8 x 150
Seated Shrug machine 2 x 8 x 360
Rear delt pec deck 2 x 8 x 150
Face pull 2 x 8 x 200
Hammer strength high row 2 x 8 x 450
Hammer strength low row 2 x 8 x 450
Cable row 2 x 8 x 300

In and out today!

Love the pull overs! Definitely a mistakenly underutilized movement

 

[Mystere3]

Yeah just started doing them again; going to incorporate them into both chest and back days in different forms!

 

[Spaniard]

Yeah just started doing them again; going to incorporate them into both chest and back days in different forms!

Good to see another fan. I like to rotate between rope pull downs, Db pull overs and the Nautilus pull over machine. I'm truly blessed to have that at my gym lol I love that damn thing. i do some FST with that bad boy at the end of back day which destroys me, it's pretty much my fav

 

[edje007]

Good to see another fan. I like to rotate between rope pull downs, Db pull overs and the Nautilus pull over machine. I'm truly blessed to have that at my gym lol I love that damn thing. i do some FST with that bad boy at the end of back day which destroys me, it's pretty much my fav

The Nautilus pullover machine.....I love it. My first job as a personal trainer, that gym had one.

Not a very commen brand in holland. Nautilus is my first love(ofcourse not all of the machines, but that's with all the brands)

 

[Mystere3]

Weight 234.4

Shoulders today:

Upward stack 8 db:

Db press warmup 70 x 8, 90 x 8

110 x 8, 120 x 8, 130 x 6

Shrugs rest pause, 150 x 12, 6

Lateral raise rest pause

60 x 15, 10

Military press drop set:

275 x 10, 225 x 8, 135 x 12

Incline hammer strength drop set:

360 x 13, 270 x 8, 180 x 12

 

[reps4jesus]

Did you ever run dmz during your football days?

 

[Mystere3]

Did you ever run dmz during your football days?

No I ran mostly var and winny, occasionally dbol/tbol.

 

[reps4jesus]

No I ran mostly var and winny, occasionally dbol/tbol.

Looking back would you have considered dmz? what positions would benefit from it in your opinion?

 

[Mystere3]

Line positions. The drugs I mentioned are better for performance enhancement; dmz is a better mass gainer.

 

[reps4jesus]

Good info! Do you see a drop in cardiovascular capacity from dmz?

 

[Mystere3]

Good info! Do you see a drop in cardiovascular capacity from dmz?

Only at really high doses (75 mg)

 

[Mystere3]

Weight 235.0

Measurement day:

Chest 48.5 -> 48.5
Arms 20.5 -> 20.5
Waist 33 -> 32
Calves 20 -> 20
Bf: 12.8 -> 12.0%

Decent body comp changes in my pct/cut.

Pct ends Friday!

At that point I will start a couple new supplements.

Will continue Follidrone @ 4/day
Will stay on formeron for a couple more weeks
Will stop novla, hcgenerate, daa, arimistane and ostarine.
Will add viron (tongkat boron) and phosphatidic acid.
Will continue orange triad, omega 3s, cissus, and ABE.
Will continue incinedrine, green tea and alphamine.
Will add compound 20

 

[justeat]

Just read this through, awesome log/cycle man!

 

[Mystere3]

Thanks!

Update: weight 234.0

Chest later today

 

[Mystere3]

No spot today so nice and easy workout today.

Incline db 120 x 15 x 2
Flat db 120 x 15 x 2
Incline bench 315 x 15 x 2
Hammer incline 360 x 15 x 2

 

[Mystere3]

Pct is over. Going to stop this log and make a new one once I start up with my new cycle!

This cycle was intended as a recomp cycle and I kept calories at maintainance during it and went to 500 below TDEE as soon as pct started.

Final results:

Cycle start 232 lb
Cycle end 245 lb
Pct end 236 lb

Chest 48 -> 49
Arms 19.5 -> 20.5
Waist 34 -> 32
Calves 19.5 -> 20
Body fat 15 -> 12%

Pretty good results over about 12 weeks.

 

[Olympus Labs]

great log!

 

[Spaniard]

You definitely can't complain with those results man. Dropped 3% and 2" on waist. For a recomp that's quite a successful cycle =) Strong work man