It's TMG. Names seem to keep changing to keep relevancy. I do like it but not over 1g per dose.
Why only 1g per dose? Just curious, I regularly take 2g doses.It's TMG. Names seem to keep changing to keep relevancy. I do like it but not over 1g per dose.
lol, I was going to say, that sounds like a great thing.Sounds amazing.
There's a great chance it has contributed in that regard; improvements in power, arm size and body composition were mostly noted.Been using jarrow tmg at about 3 grams pre workout. My workouts have improved greatly, i wonder if thats the cause
SoonThis is that stuff that SNS was supposed to come out with a bulk powder of right? But only they never ever did
Quoted so I can see<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101093"/>
And are essentially done now. We'll all be reaping the benefits soon!Quoted so I can see Edit: good things take time
Sns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.It's done..just waiting for manufacturer to get labs before they ship
It's usually up to retailers as far as intro pricing...but for me getting something on sale > no saleSns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.
Also, is there anything to consider when taking choline with tmg? Is it redundant to take both, or does dosing need to change, or just stack at normal doses?
Choline does metabolize into TMG but betaine is far more effective at doing it than choline.Sns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.
Also, is there anything to consider when taking choline with tmg? Is it redundant to take both, or does dosing need to change, or just stack at normal doses?
Deciding on sns choline citrate to take with alcar, or cdp choline alone for pre workout focus. So choline wouldn't be taken for a tmg substitute which is why I was interested in taking both and how that works. Just dose tmg at the lower recommended scale I'm guessing would be optimal? I don't think there's a recommended upper limit for sides on tmg if I recall correctly, I just like to be as meticulous about this stuff as I can.Choline does metabolize into TMG but betaine is far more effective at doing it than choline.
You'd be fine stacking both for sure. I wouldnt even take into account the TMG that choline produces and just use betaine for your TMG needsDeciding on sns choline citrate to take with alcar, or cdp choline alone for pre workout focus. So choline wouldn't be taken for a tmg substitute which is why I was interested in taking both and how that works. Just dose tmg at the lower recommended scale I'm guessing would be optimal? I don't think there's a recommended upper limit for sides on tmg if I recall correctly, I just like to be as meticulous about this stuff as I can.
So how does it effect choline when supplementing both tmg and choline if it preserves it? Would that cause an imbalance or an over beneficial amount in your system? Or does your body just adapt and use it as needed and tmg just helps regulate it when needed?TMG preserves choline if you are deficient in folate and/or betaine.
It comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism).So how does it effect choline when supplementing both tmg and choline if it preserves it? Would that cause an imbalance or an over beneficial amount in your system? Or does your body just adapt and use it as needed and tmg just helps regulate it when needed?
I realize I'm probably splitting hairs with some of this, but the goal of creating my own stacks with bulk supplies is to get an efficacious amounts of product while still spending the same or saving money, not to throw in everything I could ever want.
^^^ he's goodIt comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism). So, to answer your question, the likelyhood of excess choline due to betaine + [moderate] chol supplementation small.
Going to read that a few times and add these notes to my tmg cheat sheet , great stuff Thanks a lot.It comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism).
So, to answer your question, the likelyhood of excess choline due to betaine + [moderate] chol supplementation small.
'Take your betaine/TMG, get big n strong like PuZo'Too lazy to read, I expect full cliffs from schizm.
Is SNS releasing some of dat der Betaine?'Take your betaine/TMG, get big n strong like PuZo'
That about sums it up...
YepIs SNS releasing some of dat der Betaine?
Yezzir. Exciting times ahead!Is SNS releasing some of dat der Betaine?
Been saying that for months nowYezzir. Exciting times ahead!
We had some issues with capping the product and so on; but rest assured it is on its wayBeen saying that for months now
Retailers should be having it in stock by the end of this coming week. It arrived at 6 PM friBeen saying that for months now
They're completely different I think. Beet root is supposed to have nitrate in it like that's its moa. Betaine/TMG doesn't contain nitrates and works as an osmolyte and/or by modulating certain hormones like IGF-1 and GH as I understand itIs there a difference in efficacy between Beet Root Extract and TMG powder?
Are there differential advantages of one over the other?
yesIs there a difference in efficacy between Beet Root Extract and TMG powder?
Are there differential advantages of one over the other?
hell yes<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101281"/>
Retailers should be selling for $13-16 .Im sure some will run DOD for $12price point?
Is NP getting it first?Be on the lookout for my write up for some interesting info on betaine!
heydan when is NP getting it?Be on the lookout for my write up for some interesting info on betaine!
mw1Is NP getting it first?
Could give a rats @$$ who gets it first. Was simply wondering where to look firstmw1
I believe that the shipments went out to various retailers so I have no idea who will get it first. Will let you guys know when they pick it up
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