5/3/1 Training with LGD + Dermatrest cycle

[dvw]

Focus on being able two bench 1.5 times your body weight and squat 2 times your body weight. You have to achieve significant strength before you can gain significant muscle mass. Train all compound movement for all muscle groups in rep range of 5- 8 for strength.

 

[Jm88888]

Back squat 330x13. PR Previous 13 rep PR was last month 315 for 13.
2 weeks into PCT and I am still up 12 lbs LBM and down 3 lbs of FAT from start of day 1!

Cut clomid down to 25mg today.

Week 11 Day 4
Pct day 14
(Day 74)
207 lbs
18.35 % BF

169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

50 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects

-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3610 calories
230 G protein
255 g carb
192 g fat


Training
Back Squat
145x5
185x5
220x3
255x3
295x3
330x13. PR Previous 13 rep PR was last month 315 for 13.

Weighted Sit up
45x12x3 sets

 

[DUbz86]

Week 11 Day 4
Pct day 14
(Day 74)

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

50 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects

-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/29 50 mg clomid 4/30 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet



Training

Keep it up man hating PCT atm on last week lost 12 lbs so far if I loose anymore gonna be mad

 

[Jm88888]

Thanks bro. What does your PCT look like? Also, I did drop 6 pounds total since starting PCT. Are you keeping track of body fat? Maybe you aren't losing much muscle....

 

[elo76]

Keep it up man hating PCT atm on last week lost 12 lbs so far if I loose anymore gonna be mad

What did you run? Did you keep cals at a surplus, lower the training volume and increase the weight during pct?

 

[DUbz86]

What did you run? Did you keep cals at a surplus, lower the training volume and increase the weight during pct?

Yea man all that 500 mg test tbol kicker DMZ finisher gained 20 lbs

 

[DUbz86]

What did you run? Did you keep cals at a surplus, lower the training volume and increase the weight during pct?

I'm a hard gainer so my body knows natty can't go over 205 unless I want to be fat. Took two cycle to get to 230 and miss that king of the jungle size

 

[Jm88888]

Week 11 Day 5
Pct day 15
(Day 75)
208lbs

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects

-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3555 calories
228 G protein
243 g carb
191 g fat


Training
60x5
80x5
95x3
110x3
125x3
145x4 missed goal of 7 reps (however this a rep PR at 145. Beat last back December by 1 rep
145x3 did another set of 3 reps

Side Lateral
20x12
20x12
20x10
20x9

Arnold Press
30x15
30x15
30x13

Close grip bench
175x8x4 sets
185 next time

Skull crusher
95x12
95x10
95x8

 

[Jm88888]

Week 11 Day 6
Pct day 16
(Day 76)
207.5 lbs

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects

-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3391 calories
220 G protein
338 g carb
139 g fat



Training

 

[Jm88888]

Week 11 Day 7
Pct day 17
(Day 77)
206.4

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects

-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3492 calories
204 G protein
364 g carb
149 g fat



Training

 

[Jm88888]

Week 12 Day 1
Pct day 18
(Day 78)
206.4

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects


-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3400 calories
227 G protein
268 g carb
162 g fat


Training
Deadlift
155x5
195x5
235x3
270x3
310x3
350x12 PR

Chin
223x10
223x10
223x6

1 arm row
100x12
100x11
100x9

Rear delt fly
15x15
15x10
15x8

 

[Jm88888]

Week 12 Day 2
Pct day 19
(Day 79)
204.4

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects


-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3276 calories
220 G protein
362 g carb
117 g fat



Training
Bench
100x5
120x5
145x3
185x5
210x3
230x1
235x1
240x1
245x1
250x1

Incline press
145x10
145x10
145x10
145x7

Had to cut workout short. Very late start. Will hit biceps with squat day.

 

[Jm88888]

Week 12 Day 3
Pct day 20
(Day 80)
204.4

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
50 mg zinc morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
4 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects


-
PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet
3478 calories
225 G protein
355 g carb
139 g fat

Training
Bicep training skipped last night
Ez curl
95x8
95x8
95x8
95x5

Db curl
30x11
30x9
30x8

Reverse curl
45x15x3
Increase to 55 next time

 

[Jm88888]

Still up 12 lbs lean mass from beginning of cycle. Still down just under 4 lbs of fat. This has been an impressive cycle!
Week 12 Day 4
Pct day 21
(Day 81)
205.5

This week measurement
18.35% at 205.5

37.70 lbs fat
167.79 lbs LBM

18.35% BF 207 lbs last BF measurement
169.01 LBM
37.98 FAT

Starting numbers
157 lbs LBM
41 lbs Fat

25 mg Clomid
40 mg Laxogenin morning
4000 iu vitamin d oil
2 gram fish oil
Optimen 1
40 mg Laxogenin midday
40 mg Laxogenin after dinner


Effects
-body composition, feel smaller, body fat remained same with weight loss. Believe the weight loss to be intramuscular water that was being retained.
Ending clomid after 3 weeks. I believe it's causing some ED. 3 weeks should be plenty. Going to keep the Laxo though. Going to start tapering that off going to cut down to 4 tabs a day.
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PCT PLAN
4/16 thru 4/27 50 mg clomid 4/28 thru 5/13 25 mg clomid calories daily 3400. Edited going back to 3400 cals
120 mg Laxogenin a day 3 doses


Diet


Training
Back squat
145x5
185x5
220x3
275x5
310x3
350x1
360x1
365x1
370x1

Sit ups
45x10
45x10

 

[Jm88888]

RESULTS POST PCT

Started cycle/End of Pct
LBM: 157 lbs/167.79 lbs (+10.79 lbs)
FAT: 41 lbs/37.70 lbs
(-3.3 lbs)
Bench estimated 1RM
253.5lbs/278.7lbs
(+25.2 lbs)
Back Squat estimated 1RM
396.5lbs/473lbs (+76.5lbs)
Overhead press est 1RM
151.7lbs/164.3lbs (+12.6lbs)
Deadlift estimated 1RM
433.3lbs/490lbs (+57.7 lbs)

 

[thorsdad31]

RESULTS POST PCT

Started cycle/End of Pct
LBM: 157 lbs/167.79 lbs (+10.79 lbs)
FAT: 41 lbs/37.70 lbs
(-3.3 lbs)
Bench estimated 1RM
253.5lbs/278.7lbs
(+25.2 lbs)
Back Squat estimated 1RM
396.5lbs/473lbs (+76.5lbs)
Overhead press est 1RM
151.7lbs/164.3lbs (+12.6lbs)
Deadlift estimated 1RM
433.3lbs/490lbs (+57.7 lbs)

Nice work bro lgd and trest did u right

 

[Jm88888]

Thanks man. Yeah, it went well. I'll be reporting back in about a month to let you all know where I stand...

 

[Jm88888]

205.8 @ 18.35% BF
168 lbs LBM
37.76 lbs fat

 

[Jm88888]

Took week off. Went back at it today. Set PR on bench. 210 for 10 reps. Beat last 10 rep lift a little over month ago which was right end of cycle (205 for 10 end of March)

 

[Sparkss]

-body composition, feel smaller, body fat remained same with weight loss. Believe the weight loss to be intramuscular water that was being retained.

I go through that on the weekends a lot right now. I am laying sub flooring in the attic on the weekends (last 3 weekends). it is hard work and hot and I sweat up a storm. I look (and weigh, by a couple of lbs) smaller on Sunday night than I did on the preceding Friday night. I gain it right back Monday (both look and scale wise). I figured it was the LGD retaining water, until I sweat it all out, then replenish it the next week. Thankfully I am just about done with the attic work, now comes the moving of boxes into that new-found storage space .

 

[Jm88888]

Funny thing. After the week off, I have a much better pump after lifting yesterday.(even day after)
And I cut back a little volume on assistance.
I really think I was over trained. I felt like hell couple weeks ago.

 

[Jm88888]

204 lbs
18% BF
36.72 fat
167.28 lbm

 

[Jm88888]

Missed pr on overhead press other day. And missed pr on deadlift today. It appears that laxogenin had a tremendous effect on maintaining gains from the cycle. I definitely need to do a better job with finishing next time. I would think 8-12 weeks tapering down slowly on laxogenin would possibly allow me to keep all the gains next time.

 

[Jm88888]

201.4 lbs 16.6% BF
33.43 LBS fat
167.96 lbs LBM

Missed DL PR. Got 340x10 goal was 14

 

[Jm88888]

Noticed strength drop only after stopping laxo.... Interesting.

 

[ericos_bob]

That is interesting or just coincidental? Might be worthwhile getting bloods. The serms being out of your system, perhaps just to confirm test levels are stable? You feeling great otherwise.

 

[Jm88888]

Going tomorrow morning. Getting test, estro, fsh, lh, rbc. The women's hormone panel. I went through a couple week period with a touch of the ED. That was a couple weeks into clo and a couple weeks after stopping. I really think the laxo allowed me to hang on to the strength. May consider using that solo, for longer term usage.
However last night on bench only missed a PR by 1 rep. So I don't know... Haha

 

[Jm88888]

Results are back:
Total testosterone 564 ng/DL
LH 8.4
FSH 2.7 (in range but almost low out of range.)
Estradiol 23.1

 

[Sparkss]

Noticed strength drop only after stopping laxo.... Interesting.

that is the one thing I noticed while taking topical laxo myself, was the strength increase. Not much else, but I definitely felt stronger.

 

[Sparkss]

Results are back:
Total testosterone 564 ng/DL
LH 8.4
FSH 2.7 (in range but almost low out of range.)
Estradiol 23.1

Seems like the big two are in range, Test and E2. Since I am on TRT I haven't paid attention to the others, so I don't remember the ranges for them any more

 

[Jm88888]

LH in range but high in range. FSH in range, but low in range.

 

[Jm88888]

Hi guys.

Doing another trest+LGD log. This time I'm adding MK677

Here's link. Starts tomorrow
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296522

 

[JahCure]

In bro!