What is your favourite prohormone of all-time?

[Brandinooooo]

Where would one see these said 'pics'?

My cycle log in the Old School Hormone section. The title is Spring Recomp Cycle. Should be the first or second thread.

Edit: here ya go
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291557

 

[DennisTheDane]

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This went of topic real fast hahaha

 

[paul56778]

With us carrying a few compounds not seen in the USA we are interested to see what would be peoples' absolute dream wishlist for PH's to bring back into production.

Higher dosed Halodrol to replace the Halo 50, this is because i feel it needs to be run at around 100mg per day for best effect.

A good dosed Trenavar / Trendione product e.g. at least 30 mg per cap.

Other solid brands of Superdrol other than the Fusion Methdrol

A new version / reproduction of Max Lmg and M14add

M1T

MSten

 

[brofessorx]

Hdrol is fine for most at 75mg six weeks.

 

[btur2915]

Grab some celtic labs products if you can still find them. They were strong as hell.

 

[bradleyt1]

Currently using androtest and have more on the way from predator nutrition. As far as other compounds for PN to carry. What about the old 19nor diol or Dione compounds? Direct precursors to nandrolone would be pretty awesome. You already have the 4-AD, so either the 19nor or 1-AD I have heard great things about. I would much rather the old school androstene based compounds rather than all of the methyl and dhea based garbage out today

 

[DennisTheDane]

Would love PN to do A 90 a bottle 50 mg a pill Halo ... Maybe ad Epistane 15 mg in every pill

 

[Lucianooo]

Higher dosed Halodrol to replace the Halo 50, this is because i feel it needs to be run at around 100mg per day for best effect.

A good dosed Trenavar / Trendione product e.g. at least 30 mg per cap.

Other solid brands of Superdrol other than the Fusion Methdrol

A new version / reproduction of Max Lmg and M14add

M1T

MSten

I still have a bottle of M1T, lovely

 

[KtchnChmst]

I vote a good/reliable quality

Stand alone Epistane product
Stand alone PheraPlex product
Liver product. TUDCA/NAC

 

[paul56778]

I still have a bottle of M1T, lovely

Me to more than 1

and 1 msten

and around 6-8 superdrol.

 

[paul56778]

I also have one Tr1umph, what is that pro hormone?

 

[Bunshichi]

I also have one Tr1umph, what is that pro hormone?

Its a designer steroid and called Methyldiazirinol.
Its a really amazing compound in my opinion and experience.

It is not as effective as some others in term of strength gains, fat loss or muscle gain, but it gives you a nice all day lasting pump and an incredible look of full muscles while its mild on side-effects (at least other than lethargy).

However it needs to be dosed quite high.

 

[KilaCali]

Since Phera is already there it my wishlist would be M1,4ADD, Furuza and The1. With the one being the wish I would love to see soon

But proper doses per bottle would be important for me to buy it. Also nothing against your shop, I love it and am ocassionally custumer for a few years now. But you are not exactly cheap.

Oh. And a Boldione with delivery enhancement would be amazing too.

Well yeah, the list is getting long xD

^^^^ Second This! M1,4AD is one of my Fav's Specially in a Stack I ran With DMZ,LMG and MSten one of the best kickers to a cycle I ever ran... M14 is close to a Boldione Derivative, or I guess converts to Boldenone or DBOL, I think its more like Boldenone though cause I kept lean on it none of the Dbol type feeling to me..

 

[fueledpassion]

How about you guys spend some money n R&D and create a steroid that makes you:

Look like you're on 1000mg/wk Primo
Vascularity and pumps of EQ + Synthol
Strong as when taking Tren + D-Bol
And as harmless as Proviron

It could be done. We've gone to the moon, have created the power of the sun in a small package outfitted with precision GPS-guided rockets and have taken salt water and efficiently processed it into an abundance of potable water (Israel). I'm tired of seeing a lackluster innovation in this industry.

Therefore, there is no excuse.

If you need an industry-led organization stood up, we could all pitch in and pay some annual fees and do fundraisers to get things going. Get to work.

 

[hazard12]

How about you guys spend some money n R&D and create a steroid that makes you:

Look like you're on 1000mg/wk Primo
Vascularity and pumps of EQ + Synthol
Strong as when taking Tren + D-Bol
And as harmless as Proviron

It could be done. We've gone to the moon, have created the power of the sun in a small package outfitted with precision GPS-guided rockets and have taken salt water and efficiently processed it into an abundance of potable water (Israel). I'm tired of seeing a lackluster innovation in this industry.

Therefore, there is no excuse.

If you need an industry-led organization stood up, we could all pitch in and pay some annual fees and do fundraisers to get things going. Get to work.

I ****ing love this answer!! SHOW ME SOMETHING GROUNDBREAKING. Why are we still using the same compounds dudes discovered in the 60s...Do some innovation, do some in vitro studies, some animal studies and give us something the world hasnt seen before (not talking about another crappy YK-11 sarm, give me something that hits hard and will **** my prostate up if im not careful....or not)

 

[Brandinooooo]

How about you guys spend some money n R&D and create a steroid that makes you:

Look like you're on 1000mg/wk Primo
Vascularity and pumps of EQ + Synthol
Strong as when taking Tren + D-Bol
And as harmless as Proviron

It could be done. We've gone to the moon, have created the power of the sun in a small package outfitted with precision GPS-guided rockets and have taken salt water and efficiently processed it into an abundance of potable water (Israel). I'm tired of seeing a lackluster innovation in this industry.

Therefore, there is no excuse.

If you need an industry-led organization stood up, we could all pitch in and pay some annual fees and do fundraisers to get things going. Get to work.

THIS. HOLY FCCK THIS!

I would LOVE some new compounds to try. Not just the same old things in different packaging.

 

[brofessorx]

New compounds..... Synthesizing completely new compounds....

To this I tell whomever listens, please get yourself a copy of vida androgenic anabolic agents... look at the sheer number of different synthesis of test, dht, & nor-test.

Then, look at the a:a data. And the huge amount of useless compounds. ( well, in theory, they haven't been tested on humans)

This will give you an idea into the amount of trial and error it'll be. Even then, testing in vitro an in vivo will be different on humans.

No supplement company is going to spend the thousands of dollars to do this.
It's easier to hire me to find new compounds they can bring to the market that already have some data. #pimpingmyself :smoker:

I bumped a thread I made back in the day with data on di methyl trenbolone.
It isn't banned.

 

[rtmilburn]

New compounds..... Synthesizing completely new compounds....

To this I tell whomever listens, please get yourself a copy of vida androgenic anabolic agents... look at the sheer number of different synthesis of test, dht, & nor-test.

Then, look at the a:a data. And the huge amount of useless compounds. ( well, in theory, they haven't been tested on humans)

This will give you an idea into the amount of trial and error it'll be. Even then, testing in vitro an in vivo will be different on humans.

No supplement company is going to spend the thousands of dollars to do this.
It's easier to hire me to find new compounds they can bring to the market that already have some data. #pimpingmyself :smoker:

I bumped a thread I made back in the day with data on di methyl trenbolone.
It isn't banned.

They want crazy **** so let's make something crazy like test with a 2a oxygen bond, a 4chloro, 9fluro, and 17methyl??? Fuk are hearts, kidneys and liver

 

[brofessorx]

They want crazy **** so let's make something crazy like test with a 2a oxygen bond, a 4chloro, 9fluro, and 17methyl??? Fuk are hearts, kidneys and liver

It's off the charts...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/165007-whoa-enter-awsomeness.html

 

[rtmilburn]

It's off the charts...
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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/165007-whoa-enter-awsomeness.html

Haha ya it's strong sht wondering​ how well it's binding affinity is? As part of what made tren so strong is it a flexible molecule, making it fit like a glove in the androgen receptor

 

[Brandinooooo]

Haha ya it's strong sht wondering​ how well it's binding affinity is? As part of what made tren so strong is it a flexible molecule, making it fit like a glove in the androgen receptor

Gains or health?

Duh, Gainzzzzz

 

[rtmilburn]

Gains or health?

Duh, Gainzzzzz

No binding affinity =no gainzzzz

 

[Brandinooooo]

No binding affinity =no gainzzzz

Very true. But since it has 2 methyl groups added, its binding affinity is probably sh1t.

BUT chemistry doesn't always turn out like it does on paper. Id be very, very careful running that. I mean, who need a a liver anyways?

 

[rtmilburn]

Very true. But since it has 2 methyl groups added, its binding affinity is probably sh1t.

BUT chemistry doesn't always turn out like it does on paper. Id be very, very careful running that. I mean, who need a a liver anyways?

Not to mention things like anadrol and winstrol have shty binding affinity and mehhh a:a rating(they're highish but low compared say tren, trest, etc) yet strong as fuk. Still to this day people aren't 100% sure why anadrol is as strong as it is.

 

[brofessorx]

Guess we'll never know?

 

[Brandinooooo]

Not to mention things like anadrol and winstrol have shty binding affinity and mehhh a:a rating(they're highish but low compared say tren, trest, etc) yet strong as fuk. Still to this day people aren't 100% sure why anadrol is as strong as it is.

Well binding affinity is only part of the equation. The other part is the compound itself. It could be a sh1t compound with 100% affinity or a super strong one with only 25%. Even though the receptors would prefer the first one, the second would still be stronger.

 

[rtmilburn]

Well binding affinity is only part of the equation. The other part is the compound itself. It could be a sh1t compound with 100% affinity or a super strong one with only 25%. Even though the receptors would prefer the first one, the second would still be stronger.

Yep

 

[bradleyt1]

Did some digging around and found this from the U.K.
Advanced pharma Venom...has 200mg 1,4 androstadiene 3, 17 Dione (boldione).... as well as 150mg of cyclo 4-androstenediol per cap.. never thought I'd see the day they would bring these two compounds back out of retirement, let alone in a stack together

 

[bradleyt1]

Also... Cylab Cyclo-test
160mg cyclo 4-ad per tablet.. interesting

 

[rtmilburn]

Yes but with the cyclodextrin you got to be careful as it says 160mg cyclodextrin so you probably are only getting 60mg per pill which is super low. People ran this stuff at a GRAM in it's hay day!! I don't care how superior the delivery system is 60mg won't equal a GRAM!!! 4-500mg in cyclodextrin than now we are talking

 

[fueledpassion]

New compounds..... Synthesizing completely new compounds....

To this I tell whomever listens, please get yourself a copy of vida androgenic anabolic agents... look at the sheer number of different synthesis of test, dht, & nor-test.

Then, look at the a:a data. And the huge amount of useless compounds. ( well, in theory, they haven't been tested on humans)

This will give you an idea into the amount of trial and error it'll be. Even then, testing in vitro an in vivo will be different on humans.

No supplement company is going to spend the thousands of dollars to do this.
It's easier to hire me to find new compounds they can bring to the market that already have some data. #pimpingmyself :smoker:

I bumped a thread I made back in the day with data on di methyl trenbolone.
It isn't banned.

Agreed, but you missed the part where it gets funded by the consumers much like everything else in life from NRA, to various non-profits to political and government-operated companies.

 

[brofessorx]

I ran 4-andr-diol as my first cycle. 600mg 4 weeks the first time to get my feet wet.

Next cycle I ran it at 1,000mg e/d for 5 weeks, plus ctd labs decabolen, a stacked product containing superdrol, hdrol, and pheraplex. It was freaking amazing.

 

[rtmilburn]

Agreed, but you missed the part where it gets funded by the consumers much like everything else in life from NRA, to various non-profits to political and government-operated companies.

Would like to see more oxygen bond hormones like anavar as I don't think there are any other of it's kinds.

 

[fueledpassion]

New compounds..... Synthesizing completely new compounds....

To this I tell whomever listens, please get yourself a copy of vida androgenic anabolic agents... look at the sheer number of different synthesis of test, dht, & nor-test.

Then, look at the a:a data. And the huge amount of useless compounds. ( well, in theory, they haven't been tested on humans)

This will give you an idea into the amount of trial and error it'll be. Even then, testing in vitro an in vivo will be different on humans.

No supplement company is going to spend the thousands of dollars to do this.
It's easier to hire me to find new compounds they can bring to the market that already have some data. #pimpingmyself :smoker:

I bumped a thread I made back in the day with data on di methyl trenbolone.
It isn't banned.

That di-methyl Tren sounds promising but would undoubtedly cause a stir once some kiddo decides to overdose it and keel over his liver all jaundice-style.

We need to just keep the PH/steroid market enclosed to 'got-to-know-somebody' type of transactions or something directly tied to membership fees to weed out the younger kids who can't afford them.

 

[rtmilburn]

That di-methyl Tren sounds promising but would undoubtedly cause a stir once some kiddo decides to overdose it and keel over his liver all jaundice-style.

We need to just keep the PH/steroid market enclosed to 'got-to-know-somebody' type of transactions or something directly tied to membership fees to weed out the younger kids who can't afford them.

It's been around it is apparently way over rated great for strength but that's about it. Kinda like halotestin but more sides. But apparently less side than regular methyl tren

 

[brofessorx]

I can't speak for di methyl tren, but methyl tren is the only steroid I know to cause irreversible liver damage. I'd have search to find this study, but I remember reading it.

ive had lots of ideas for steroids back when I researched that stuff. That's how we got methyl clostebol. PredNutrition should look into what I called cyanoplex:
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-2-ene (Vida A-43)
(A-43): LA = 800, VP = 20, SV = 73; Q = 1600 / 93 = 20

 

[rtmilburn]

Guys what about 7-alpha, 11-beta dimethylnandrolone?? Read some literature on this bad boy looks like a stronger ment but has some unique qualities!!!!

 

[brofessorx]

Guys what about 7-alpha, 11-beta dimethylnandrolone?? Read some literature on this bad boy looks like a stronger ment but has some unique qualities!!!!

Vida data?

 

[BamBam0319]

Not to mention things like anadrol and winstrol have shty binding affinity and mehhh a:a rating(they're highish but low compared say tren, trest, etc) yet strong as fuk. Still to this day people aren't 100% sure why anadrol is as strong as it is.

Currently on my first run of A bombs, with some dbol...
I don't care why. I just never want these superhuman pumps to end.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

That di-methyl Tren sounds promising but would undoubtedly cause a stir once some kiddo decides to overdose it and keel over his liver all jaundice-style.

We need to just keep the PH/steroid market enclosed to 'got-to-know-somebody' type of transactions or something directly tied to membership fees to weed out the younger kids who can't afford them.

Unfortunately younger kids will still find a way to get a hold of them; many of them just ask other people they know irl and take them without doing their own research. Local supp shops also are selling them to underage people

 

[fueledpassion]

Unfortunately younger kids will still find a way to get a hold of them; many of them just ask other people they know irl and take them without doing their own research. Local supp shops also are selling them to underage people

Yeah I was sort of suggesting that the industry takes responsibility and finds a way to filter the inappropriate buyers and sellers out of the market by following a industry code of conduct when selling hormonal products. Other industries found ways to be ethical so I don't know why this one can't.

 

[DennisTheDane]

Currently on my first run of A bombs, with some dbol...
I don't care why. I just never want these superhuman pumps to end.

Bambam as i wrote you on insta...You look awesome dude! But what the fucck is A-Bombs

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Bambam as i wrote you on insta...You look awesome dude! But what the fucck is A-Bombs

Anadrol

 

[DennisTheDane]

Anadrol

Damn...Combo Anadrol and Dbol...Thats gonna kill your liver like poison :O

 

[Bunshichi]

Damn...Combo Anadrol and Dbol...Thats gonna kill your liver like poison :O

I guess he is trying to get that huge and intimidating before it effects liver health that the liver doesn't dare to make problems because its too afraid?

But seriously even with absolute killer compounds one will be fine if there is not another circumstance bad for the liver and the cycle is sufficiently short.

 

[hazard12]

Damn...Combo Anadrol and Dbol...Thats gonna kill your liver like poison :O

1g TUDCA/day and ull be good as long as you dont run it too long.

 

[DennisTheDane]

I guess he is trying to get that huge and intimidating before it effects liver health that the liver doesn't dare to make problems because its too afraid?

But seriously even with absolute killer compounds one will be fine if there is not another circumstance bad for the liver and the cycle is sufficiently short.

He already looks killer

 

[DennisTheDane]

1g TUDCA/day and ull be good as long as you dont run it too long.

Would a Test E base not be a must

 

[bradleyt1]

Does any one know if 4-androstenediol is effective on its own for bulking if dosed high enough? 10 days in on androtest 8 caps a day. I have always read about it being stacked with 1-AD back in the day but wondering a high dose of it by itself for pure mass is possible.

 

[hazard12]

Would a Test E base not be a must

Oh I meant as far as liver goes, id never run orals without a test base. I dont think test E would be necessary tho. You could get away with using TD test or trest or large doses of 4-andro.