Title sums it up -- you can choose only one which do you pick and why? Which is better in your opinion?
Because thats not the question. :lol:Good topic, but with the recent discovery of the granules being an acceptable form of PA for about 10 bucks a month, why not use both?
Who died and made you the boss? Oh wait nevermind.Because thats not the question. :lol:
i dont understand what everyone is waiting for. 7 dollars will get you a months supply of SLCurious to see how this thread goes. I have yet to us PA, but it looks interesting.
Answer the question taking cost out of the equation. Thats more what the topic is about. Effectiveness.i dont understand what everyone is waiting for. 7 dollars will get you a months supply of SL
i wasnt answering the OP i was talking to antM1564 who i quotedAnswer the question taking cost out of the equation. Thats more what the topic is about. Effectiveness.
BTW - There is no wrong answer..they both are great it seems.
And I was posting to everyone using your post as an example.i wasnt answering the OP i was talking to antM1564 who i quoted
Hmmm, I thought PA had just as 'good' data on it as ArA, maybe I unaware of some relevant studies? In regards to ArA I know of the Baylor(sp) study, and the latest Wilson one...are there others?something PA has less of
Agreed with this post. I thought PA has been relatively proven and "certain PA products" have plenty of health benefits associated with themHmmm, I thought PA had just as 'good' data on it as ArA, maybe I unaware of some relevant studies? In regards to ArA I know of the Baylor(sp) study, and the latest Wilson one...are there others?
PA has similiar relevant in vivo studies (done by Wilson et al as well), and in vitro studies looking into possible MoA's.
If we are comparing ArA vs PA on relevant study data alone, Im not sure how ArA pips PA by volume (as you seem to be indicating?)
Many people don't want to use that much soy or calories to get it I think is the issue.i dont understand what everyone is waiting for. 7 dollars will get you a months supply of SL
In vivo and in vitro evidence for increased mTOR activity. Data showing strength increases compared to placebo, hypertrophy increases compared to placebo.What are the proposed PA benefits?
Have not seen those
Those are the well known effectsIn vivo and in vitro evidence for increased mTOR activity. Data showing strength increases compared to placebo, hypertrophy increases compared to placebo. Anecdotally, increased muscle fullness.
Ah ok, wasnt sureThose are the well known effects
ARA articles posted here showed alternate health benefits, which was my question
Lol yep.Ah ok, wasnt sure I dont think Ive read of any alternate benefits to dosing with ArA, its prolly going to derail the thread somewhat to pursue this line of discussion (Id have questions relating to dose, etc)
the soy is not a problem at all, or shouldnt be, and unless you are in some extreme dieting i think you should be able to afford 50-100caloriesMany people don't want to use that much soy or calories to get it I think is the issue.
100% yesIf soy lecithin is an emulsifier and around the same price as most of the gms most of us would use with ArA anyway, then doesn't it make sense to use the SL as the emulsifier and reap any additional benefits of the added PA? This is a question, as I am curious. Even if one likes ArA better (which I personally do), isn't the combination extremely synergistic?
This has been my experience as well...between the cost and the face that it serves the purpose of gms I find no reason not to use it.ArA is much more noticeable. I consider PA as a staple now but honestly I didn't notice much from it. It's just so cheap so there's no harm in taking it. Lol
Hi and sorry been 2500km away (my GF daughter confirmation).Danes what the word on this big bro?
Also i know kbayne and muscleupchron got some input!
Ive only done sl granuales for a solid run and for the price and the benefits, Its hard to beat! Have an ara run ready to go so time will tell...
I do agree on the first three definitely worth it to run due to those. The 4th is probably user dependent but on that note I hate ArA for its ineffectiveness in the presence of O3. I love fish!Hi and sorry been 2500km away (my GF daughter confirmation).
I would allways pick PA before ArA.
Dont misunderstand, ArA is really one of the best natty supps but i am thinking of:
-generaly Health
-Price
-how long you can run it
-actually the results (PA gave me more than ArA. Strength,sixe etc. ArA was better for pumps)
And i forgot to say i am NOT talking about 750mg PAI do agree on the first three definitely worth it to run due to those. The 4th is probably user dependent but on that note I hate ArA for its ineffectiveness in the presence of O3. I love fish!
How much are you on? I think I'm running close to 2gAnd i forgot to say i am NOT talking about 750mg PA
How much are you on? I think I'm running close to 2g
On 4g right now. Pumps,vascularity,strength and size=amazing
Try both.What brand? Is it just Lecithin granules? Never tried or heard of PA but makes me want to try it over ARA.
2-4g a day? Take with meals or before workout?Try both.
Run PA for a month, then add in ArA.
Soy lecithin granules; deoiled, around 97% Phosphatides. No matter the brand, products with these properties will yield 7% PA on average.
The main study on PA was done dosing 750mg/day; if you wish to dose higher, there may be benefits to doing so. Its ultimately your call, of course, but personally Id start off in the 750-1000mg range and assess from there.2-4g a day? Take with meals or before workout?