"I don't always drink - but when I do, its an IPA"Oh, well that isn't bad at all. I love carbs at night and will never give up my few IPAs during the week.
Take that, Dos XXs.
"I don't always drink - but when I do, its an IPA"Oh, well that isn't bad at all. I love carbs at night and will never give up my few IPAs during the week.
Yeah good call on the IPAs, dude! We just started getting a couple of decent beers here, but I am always jealous of the variety you guys have back in the US. Every time I come back to NY to visit, I make sure to try as many new IPAs as possible as there are always some new ones making their way there. If only Three Floyds would start shipping out there again...Oh, well that isn't bad at all. I love carbs at night and will never give up my few IPAs during the week.
Both brands seemed to be really good quality to me. However, due to the dosage differences they had different effects. If you're mainly looking for something to help with low energy levels and a slight mood boost, then I'd go with Gaia as it seems most people (including me) do better with the lower dose. Your reaction might be different though.I'm ordering mine in next few days... Gaia or Eclectic? Or are they both decent. In all honesty, I just don't wasn't product which is a bunk extract etc
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These are reputable brands and it's not like you are dropping $100, so I don't know why you have concern about something being "bunk". We aren't dealing with UGL or something underground. Like has been mentioned multiple times, you need to find a dose that works for you and experiment with different brands.I'm ordering mine in next few days... Gaia or Eclectic? Or are they both decent. In all honesty, I just don't wasn't product which is a bunk extract etc
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I'm good with cans of Tecate with some lime salt dusting the top of the can."I don't always drink - but when I do, its an IPA"
Take that, Dos XXs.
I will assume how I read it was not how this intended and give you the benefit of the doubt that your trying to be helpful, but with all due respect the Gaia product is around 37-40 US Dollars here in the UK which for some, (maybe not you) is a lot to pay for something that may be a useless part/ineffective part of the herb...Thus I wanted to make sure what I intend to buy has some benefit and history of positive in someone with first hand experience with it. However I do understand you point regarding this not being UGL. I hope this post is not interpreted in the wrong way, thanks again for your response.These are reputable brands and it's not like you are dropping $100, so I don't know why you have concern about something being "bunk". We aren't dealing with UGL or something underground. Like has been mentioned multiple times, you need to find a dose that works for you and experiment with different brands.
Thanks for the reply. I was leaning towards the Eclectic product... You think that's sensible?Both brands seemed to be really good quality to me. However, due to the dosage differences they had different effects. If you're mainly looking for something to help with low energy levels and a slight mood boost, then I'd go with Gaia as it seems most people (including me) do better with the lower dose. Your reaction might be different though.
What have you found to be effective? Based on body weight at all?Agreed. Rhodiola is one of the tougher herbs to pin down in terms of dose, extract ratio and your own brain chemistry. When you do get it right, the effects are awesome but until then it can be interesting ride.
Not sure about body weight. I'd guess that it has more to do with individual brain chemistry than anything else. I have not experimented with a vast number of brands, though the talk of these brands in this thread has my interest piqued. Generally, regardless of brand and extract ratio, I have found smaller doses (100-150 mg) better for me. Too much gives me insomnia.What have you found to be effective? Based on body weight at all?
It's an adaptogenic herb. As with adaptogens in general, how it effects the individual depends on the individual. The entire concept of adaptogens is for it to bring one back to or closer to homeostasis. So if you're in a state which you need a bit more help, you would probably feel the effects more. If you don't really need much help to begin with, you would most likely not feel very notable acute effects. These things are simply not a stimulant where regardless of your level of balance, you're going to feel a stimulant as long as you are sensitive enough to the stimulant.Not sure about body weight. I'd guess that it has more to do with individual brain chemistry than anything else. I have not experimented with a vast number of brands, though the talk of these brands in this thread has my interest piqued. Generally, regardless of brand and extract ratio, I have found smaller doses (100-150 mg) better for me. Too much gives me insomnia.
It's an adaptogenic herb. As with adaptogens in general, how it effects the individual depends on the individual. The entire concept of adaptogens is for it to bring one back to or closer to homeostasis. So if you're in a state which you need a bit more help, you would probably feel the effects more. If you don't really need much help to begin with, you would most likely not feel very notable acute effects. These things are simply not a stimulant where regardless of your level of balance, you're going to feel a stimulant as long as you are sensitive enough to the stimulant.
If I recall correctly, adaptogens also work mainly on the adrenal gland (adrenal medulla to be specific I believe) with possible effects at the cellular level. So I don't think brain chemistry really has much to do with it unless we are talking about effects on the brain due to adrenal gland activity.
Actually, it was generally accepted by the 1980s that adaptogens mainly affected the sympathetic nervous system. That's the system that is responsible for the fight or flight response in which your adrenal gland is responsible for much of the hormones which are released due to it (main one of course is cortisol). There's obviously parts of rhodiola which have effects but not all of those effects or parts of the herb is adaptogenic or can be considered an adaptogen.I somewhat disagree. "Adaptogen" is a term and concept that is not universally accepted in either alternative or mainstream medicine and it technically applies to all systems of the body adapting to stressors/harmful effects. Adrenals tend to the be target of many adaptogens, such as Ginseng, but the concept applies to whole body health. In any case the research behind Rhodiola does indicate very specific serotonin, epi, nor-epi and dopamine enhancing effects outside of the plethora of other effects that are chalked up to "adaptogenisis". Studies have shown small doses of RR increase serotonin and epi whereas large doses somehow work on the GABA system leading to sedation. As much as I would love to believe that RR, at any old dose, will go to work on me and do exactly what my body needs it to do..that has not been my experience at all and I have experimented with this herb, as well as reviewed the literature, for a decent number of years.
It's a good brand/product and might work better for you than the Gaia brand (won't know until you try). If you find the dosage of the Eclectic product to be too high, you could always just open the capsules (mix half with a liquid and drink it; close the capsule with the remaining half). If cost is an issue, it seems like these would be a very cheap approach as it would last you twice as long. I tried this with that brand before switching back to Gaia and it seemed to work better at this lower dosage (but still preferred Gaia a little bit more). Also, I'm just really lazy and don't like messing with splitting doses.Thanks for the reply. I was leaning towards the Eclectic product... You think that's sensible?
Yes, that is the beauty of it. RR got me through the infant stage of my kids and I was never tired. People couldn't figure it out.I feel great on Rhodiola, but alas after a few days I too can't sleep; surprisingly I don't feel tired the following day. It can't be healthy, not sleeping for more than a couple of days, despite not feeling tired.
Good idea. I'll give that a try. Thank you.The Himilaya version I have are tablets..perhaps splitting the dose in half would help? I only dose it once per day as 2x per day definitely leaves me feeling spacey.
My only issue with trying the Gaia product is it is expensive here in the UK and if used recommend dose (2 caps per day) it will only last 1 month...It's a good brand/product and might work better for you than the Gaia brand (won't know until you try). If you find the dosage of the Eclectic product to be too high, you could always just open the capsules (mix half with a liquid and drink it; close the capsule with the remaining half). If cost is an issue, it seems like these would be a very cheap approach as it would last you twice as long. I tried this with that brand before switching back to Gaia and it seemed to work better at this lower dosage (but still preferred Gaia a little bit more). Also, I'm just really lazy and don't like messing with splitting doses.
Looking more for the mood boost aspect and energy is a plus, I guess I could try electric institute and if I'm not happy try the Gaia. But if I use Gaia, I will probably only use 1 per day unless I really feel 2 will be of benefit.Both brands seemed to be really good quality to me. However, due to the dosage differences they had different effects. If you're mainly looking for something to help with low energy levels and a slight mood boost, then I'd go with Gaia as it seems most people (including me) do better with the lower dose. Your reaction might be different though.
Apparently its discontinued... LolSorry, I didn't realize the price disparity that you see over there. I pay around $18 for it and I've come to terms in the supplement game that anything <$25 is worth trying even if it doesn't end up working. If you are paying nearly $40, I can see the hesitation. Understand that all I am trying to say is that many times with Rhodiola, you don't get it right the first time. If you go and read reviews on different brands, you can see that some people swear by one brand and not by others. What works for me, may not be the best for you and you may need a higher mg per serving, or a different ratio. It is trial and error. My personal experience has me preferring, in order: Gaia, Solger, ECI. Many people love the Swedish Herbal Institute brand, which I think may be cheaper in Europe based on reviews I have read.
What dose of Aniracetam and Bacopa were you using when taking them at the same time? I'm currently taking Aniracetam and Galantamine (any other choline source results in headaches; even at low doses). However, the cost of Galantamine is a little tough on the wallet; even at just 4 - 8 mg each day. Was hoping Bacopa's interaction with acetylcholine levels would make it a good, and mild, substitute for Galantamine (even though they're very different nootropics).I had to stop taking Aniracetam once I added Bacopa back in. I love Ani, but I took it to combat anxiety and Bacopa is 10x better for that. I was getting very tired mentally having both of them in the mix and once I dropped the Ani, mental energy peaked.
As far as interactions with cholines, I take Alpha GPC with it and it works like a charm.
bad link?Cool thread... Have to give a nod to my favorite in this category because I haven't seen it mentioned in here: jiaogulan.
www.ijrpbsonline.com/files/RV12.pdf
Why are you taking Galantamine? I've read up on that in the past and it sounds horrible.What dose of Aniracetam and Bacopa were you using when taking them at the same time? I'm currently taking Aniracetam and Galantamine (any other choline source results in headaches; even at low doses). However, the cost of Galantamine is a little tough on the wallet; even at just 4 - 8 mg each day. Was hoping Bacopa's interaction with acetylcholine levels would make it a good, and mild, substitute for Galantamine (even though they're very different nootropics).
Low dose Galantamine is the only thing I found that prevents headaches from Aniracetam. Any other precursor or ache inhibitor just makes the headaches and brain fog worse. It just seems like the two work really well together. I may have to see if an adaptogen makes it even better. I'm going to do some research on DHEA. I wonder if I have a similar issue. Aniracetam and Galantamine help a lot but things could definitely be better.Why are you taking Galantamine? I've read up on that in the past and it sounds horrible.
My daily dose of Ani was 750 2x a day. The curve for Ani is very small and a little too much has the opposite effect. Bocapa is 250mg 24% saponins 2x a day.
I will say that ashwagandha, bacopa, and alpha gpc are incredible together. However, I dug much deeper and found that my DHEA levels were normal low and that is a key contributor to brain fog and anxiety. Once I got that situated, my anxiety completely cleared and the noots just polished everything with crazy recall and memory retention. Not a day goes by where I start using words and I shock myself wondering where the hell I remembered or learned it from.
Thanks, man... Think I fixed it.
Worth a shot. It didn't correct my sleep apnea, though I still use it for cholesterol modulation (helped to lower my LDL by 22 points), and cardiovascular and immune system support.In looking at studies on jiaogulan, I wonder if it would help with sleep apnea or exercise-induced asthma.
I would stop taking Ani if you need to take Galantamine to prevent headaches. If Alpha GPC didn't work, then maybe it is not for you. What is your goal? Anxiolytic effect, brain fog, other cognitive reasons?Low dose Galantamine is the only thing I found that prevents headaches from Aniracetam. Any other precursor or ache inhibitor just makes the headaches and brain fog worse. It just seems like the two work really well together. I may have to see if an adaptogen makes it even better. I'm going to do some research on DHEA. I wonder if I have a similar issue. Aniracetam and Galantamine help a lot but things could definitely be better.
Definitely looking for a reduction in anxiety and brain fog; some memory improvement would be a plus too.I would stop taking Ani if you need to take Galantamine to prevent headaches. If Alpha GPC didn't work, then maybe it is not for you. What is your goal? Anxiolytic effect, brain fog, other cognitive reasons?
About DHEA, I would not just look to supplement with it unless you know your #s.
Will do. Thanks. As a side note, I had blood tests done almost a year ago to try and determine if there was an underlying issue. However, the doctor only said on my follow-up that everything was within range. I just requested that they fax me the test results so I can see if my T levels are near the bottom of the range (assuming they tested for that). In the meantime, I'll do more research on DHEA, Pregnenolone and adaptogens. Not having any experience with adaptogens, this thread has been very informative and provided me with some interesting herbs to research.Read up up pregnenolone as well. I need it (mainly due to being on TRT), but the synergy between the adaptogens and this is unparalleled.
I agree with you. However, I have to shoulder some of the blame too by not being proactive and requesting a copy of the results. At least they were quick about faxing them to me. No test for T levels was performed.That is a bunch of baloney. It is your body, health, and money. You have a right to know all your labs and exactly where you stand. Because of one doctors opinion that because you are in normal range doesn't mean anything because we all know those ranges are for 18-90 year olds. You want the levels of a 90 year old just because they are "normal"? Find a new doctor or do some testing on your own. We don't live in the day and age, nor belong to this site, to be anything less than our best.
Which adaptogen have you found to provide the best synergy with prenenolone?Read up up pregnenolone as well. I need it (mainly due to being on TRT), but the synergy between the adaptogens and this is unparalleled.
Taking alpha t2 and rhodiola atm and haven't noticed any issues.Great thread. Due to going through an extremely stressful time in my life, I've added ashwagandha and relora which has been great for sleep. I've been thinking about adding in rhodiola, but was curious if it would interact with the yohimbine or hygenamine (sp?) in this bottle of Alpha-T2 due to rhodiola's mild effects on MAO-A inhibition? Anyone have any thoughts? Also, what dose of relora are you guys using prebed? I've just been taking 1 cap of 300mg.
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