PRIME is THE BOMB

[alwaysgaining]

WHAT??? thats absurd as well. Those guys all ran 4-6 weeks of product.... some lucky guys got a lil more I think.... some didnt get any(myself) but saw the tests happening in real time.

These were real results that came on quick for most and only got more pronounced as the test progressed. What makes you ABSOLUTELY sure they didnt get those results?:wtf:Im absolutely sure they DID!

People are rediculous with all this naysaying. Sure USPL pumps up the product, any company would be stupid to not get excited about a non-hormonal product that has these effects. But just cause they have flashy ads or impressive claims it does not mean there must be something else going on... this isnt muscle tech guys, their track record should speak for itself by now and if it didnt they have TONS of testamonials backing them!

/rant

hahah ok i watchd all of ther add vids and the guys are like "after my 7 week run i feel jackd and wat not" lol

yes im runnig prime now and im smart im using both sides anabolic and angrogenic to build super strength, speed and power

but saying that anybody can get ripped and add like 4lbs and drop lbs of bodyfat is outlandish haha
but iam seeing and feeling things only on day 4, but im holding mi tounge till my 8 weeks is done

 

[nunes]

Price complaints are common, but we price according to cost of manufacturing cost and raw powder cost.

We lower our price. We do not make money. THe product is moving incredibly well becuase many will pay for innovation and results and some will not just the nature of the beast.

These are 54.99 results..

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/usp-labs/104201-haters-hating-again-2.html#post1548274

offer and demand that's how it works, I understand the laws of the market but IMO its a expensive supp

 

[GMG760]

Iron,

Nope, haven't written any such review.

And, BTW, I'm not anti-steroid, or at least not towards ones like Epi or Havoc. I AM anti-snob though. The close-mindedness of a statement like, "We all know what works. and what doesn't," reaks of insider snobbishness.

Insider snobbishness? Dude, I don't work in this industry.

 

[Gtarzan81]

I don't necessarily think I am bringing anything down to the LCD here. I am simply stating that any PRIME/Mullet/Jacob/USP hate should be directed to the appropriate threads. I just do not see the validity in calling for more objective user-data, and then clouding every thread which tries to manifest just that.

Just to make clear, as to Mullet, I have no issues with him in this thread.
Carry on........

 

[MashedPotato]

"If this individual (mashed potato) that is purposely trying to defame my character and business should "MAN UP" and step out of the shadows."

...curious, if i show up at your door IN PERSON, what does that prove? Your gonna slap me round the face with a sample of PRIME or AP and hope ill go buy a bottle?

...Any fool with google and the words "USP LABS DENTON JACOB" (as an example) can find out the information i posted. Quit challenging me to a slapping fest this isnt junior high.

 

[freezito]

You should try following some of your own advice mashed potatoe. Because for someone who says this isnt jr. high, your sure acting like someone who is.

 

[Ubiyca]

I'm the utmost professional and many will attest to it. I will go beyond the call of duty to help with advice or product.

You may let others spit in your face and walk away, but when provoked with defamation and you push, I hit back. As I would do in person, If this individual (mashed potato) that is purposely trying to defame my character and business should "MAN UP" and step out of the shadows.

I'm transparent on the internet and my intentions are clear. If you have an "agenda" with USPlabs step out of the shadows and become transparent when you spew your accusations. If not, I call you a coward.

If you call this unprofessional behavior so be it but I call it self respect.

To those defaming others on the internet by calling them dipshits, I challenge you to come out of the shadows and leave the internet bravery to the 14 year olds. I'm sure you are 10 foot tall and bullet proof and can kick my ass. If you want to defame others, you should post a picture of yourself along with some credentials and then maybe your opinion will be respected.

Questioning a product is fine, but let the feedback surface before retorting to name calling.

LOL.

Look how he changed his tune after being called out for unprofessionalism and etc.. using all sorts of fancy vocab and whatnot.. cute, but you're not fooling anybody sweetheart.

 

[poopypants]

aight heres my run of it...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/104353-poops-prime-log.html#post1549048

please no nay sayers, your all welcome to watc and ask or add constructive critisism, please no jerk off comments.

 

[jazzman21]

LOL.

Look how he changed his tune after being called out for unprofessionalism and etc.. using all sorts of fancy vocab and whatnot.. cute, but you're not fooling anybody sweetheart.

So what's your beef with J?

 

[MashedPotato]

You should try following some of your own advice mashed potatoe. Because for someone who says this isnt jr. high, your sure acting like someone who is.

If I WAS acting like it was jr. high, wouldnt i have already gone to his house.

Did i also call anyone "dipshit" ....and attack them personally. No.

Making light of Jacobs offer to slap me, i posted a video which is humorous in nature.

Just because i post factual information, make a compaint, you say im acting like jr high?

Come on man. Seriously?!

SERIOUSLY!!!?

If jacob was muscletech, do you really think you'd be sat on that side of the fence.

No. didnt think so.

My issues are with the way the company operates and how it markets its products. My issues are not with jacob. When he can sererate the two and actually discredit anything i posted, then ill be happy to listen. As of now, not one person from USP labs has said otherwise about anything i said. Only send me a personal invite for "tea"

Real proffesional. And your saying im acting like jr high.

 

[MashedPotato]

aight heres my run of it...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/104353-poops-prime-log.html#post1549048

please no nay sayers, your all welcome to watc and ask or add constructive critisism, please no jerk off comments.

Poopy, my problem is not whether Prime works or not, its How you all allowed them to operate like muscletech (in some cases with even more outlandish statements) and turn a blind eye.

""USPlabs Prime™ Destroys Pro-Hormones & Pro-Steroids – Rendering Them Obsolete… "

All this before the product even entered the stores. What study was this based on again....oh right "in house" study. How could you possibly make such a claim on a product that has no scientific study or otherwise to back it up.

THATS MY PROBLEM!

You know if AX, or ALRI, or ERGO for example, said something as such about a new trib based product they were releasing, you would be the first to jump at their throat for making such a claim with no sicentific evidence and VERY limited study.

I mean look at the two:

USP: USPLabs Direct (ad for prime)
MUSCLETECH :CellTech Hardcore Creatine Supplement By MuscleTech (their ad for celtech)

....same hype language, same hype statistics.

Point made.

 

[MashedPotato]

You know heres an example of what im talking about:

USP WEBSITE:

" Since we are the first company (you know there will be copy-cats, but it will be impossible for them to duplicate what we've done here) to deliver these compounds, there's NOT a high supply already in place.

Before we decided to grow the compounds ourselves, we attempted to source these ingredients.

One of two things happened:
1. The suppliers never heard of it!
2. They sent us the wrong material!

So this stuff is so rare and unique that even the raw material suppliers were confused!
And, because of the time scheduling of how these compounds are grown and harvested, if anyone even attempts to claim they have a similar product before the April 2010 you know they are full of ****!

It's simply impossible, as there's a specific window when the herbs need to be planted & harvested to contain maximum active ingredients (And USPlabs is the only one who knows!!)"


Fact about Terminalia chebula:

1) Its a tree that bears a fruit, which USP extracts
2) If USP grew this, in that field of theirs, this means they had planned it some 20, 30, 40 years ago.

So your telling me, you grow trees and extract their fruits on your small farm?

You guys dont grow it. You buy it from a 3rd party and possible extract the ingredients through strivi ventures (another 3rd party). Theres nothing wrong in that, but saying you grow it yourself is decieiving to your "valued" customers.

Thats like me saying i grow my own carrots and extract their goodness. Yeah...i buy the carrots from walmart, who pays the farmer, and i extract them using my saucepan for about 5 mins until they boil.

Exporter of Terminalia Chebula:

Terminalia Chebula Exporter

Facts about tribulus aquaticus:

Tribulus aquaticus vegetates at Lahore and Cashmere and is a nutritious amylaceous substance which affords a considerable revenue principally to the Cashmerean government The waternuts are boiled and so sold in the bazaars A poultice of Trapa natans is recommended to resolve indolent tumors probably Trapa bispinosa would serve the same end

Source:
- Thirty-five Years in the East Adventures, Discoveries, Experiments and Historical Sketches Relating to the Panjab and Cashmere; in Connection with Medicine, Botany, Pharmacy, &c. Together with an Original Materia Medica, and a Medical Vocabulary in Four European and Five Eastern Languages. By John Martin Honigberger



- apparently not so rare after all. Quit attacking me and defend your damn product. You own a business expect criticism.

- Mashed.

 

[Craigmatthew]

I have bought Prime, based on the hype. I also interested in whatMashedPotato is asking ,as some of them are interesting to say the least. I dont hate USP Labs, or MashedPotato. I have bought several bottles of AP, and several bottles of Prime.

 

[Iron Lungz]

You know heres an example of what im talking about:

USP WEBSITE:

" Since we are the first company (you know there will be copy-cats, but it will be impossible for them to duplicate what we've done here) to deliver these compounds, there's NOT a high supply already in place.

Before we decided to grow the compounds ourselves, we attempted to source these ingredients.

One of two things happened:
1. The suppliers never heard of it!
2. They sent us the wrong material!

So this stuff is so rare and unique that even the raw material suppliers were confused!
And, because of the time scheduling of how these compounds are grown and harvested, if anyone even attempts to claim they have a similar product before the April 2010 you know they are full of ****!

It's simply impossible, as there's a specific window when the herbs need to be planted & harvested to contain maximum active ingredients (And USPlabs is the only one who knows!!)"


Fact about Terminalia chebula:

1) Its a tree that bears a fruit, which USP extracts
2) If USP grew this, in that field of theirs, this means they had planned it some 20, 30, 40 years ago.

So your telling me, you grow trees and extract their fruits on your small farm?

You guys dont grow it. You buy it from a 3rd party and possible extract the ingredients through strivi ventures (another 3rd party). Theres nothing wrong in that, but saying you grow it yourself is decieiving to your "valued" customers.

Thats like me saying i grow my own carrots and extract their goodness. Yeah...i buy the carrots from walmart, who pays the farmer, and i extract them using my saucepan for about 5 mins until they boil.

Exporter of Terminalia Chebula:

Terminalia Chebula Exporter

Facts about tribulus aquaticus:

Tribulus aquaticus vegetates at Lahore and Cashmere and is a nutritious amylaceous substance which affords a considerable revenue principally to the Cashmerean government The waternuts are boiled and so sold in the bazaars A poultice of Trapa natans is recommended to resolve indolent tumors probably Trapa bispinosa would serve the same end

Source:
- Thirty-five Years in the East Adventures, Discoveries, Experiments and Historical Sketches Relating to the Panjab and Cashmere; in Connection with Medicine, Botany, Pharmacy, &c. Together with an Original Materia Medica, and a Medical Vocabulary in Four European and Five Eastern Languages. By John Martin Honigberger



- apparently not so rare after all. Quit attacking me and defend your damn product. You own a business expect criticism.

- Mashed.

:aargh:

 

[DreamWeaver]

You know heres an example of what im talking about:

USP WEBSITE:

" Since we are the first company (you know there will be copy-cats, but it will be impossible for them to duplicate what we've done here) to deliver these compounds, there's NOT a high supply already in place.

Before we decided to grow the compounds ourselves, we attempted to source these ingredients.

One of two things happened:
1. The suppliers never heard of it!
2. They sent us the wrong material!

So this stuff is so rare and unique that even the raw material suppliers were confused!
And, because of the time scheduling of how these compounds are grown and harvested, if anyone even attempts to claim they have a similar product before the April 2010 you know they are full of ****!

It's simply impossible, as there's a specific window when the herbs need to be planted & harvested to contain maximum active ingredients (And USPlabs is the only one who knows!!)"


Fact about Terminalia chebula:

1) Its a tree that bears a fruit, which USP extracts
2) If USP grew this, in that field of theirs, this means they had planned it some 20, 30, 40 years ago.

So your telling me, you grow trees and extract their fruits on your small farm?

You guys dont grow it. You buy it from a 3rd party and possible extract the ingredients through strivi ventures (another 3rd party). Theres nothing wrong in that, but saying you grow it yourself is decieiving to your "valued" customers.

Thats like me saying i grow my own carrots and extract their goodness. Yeah...i buy the carrots from walmart, who pays the farmer, and i extract them using my saucepan for about 5 mins until they boil.

Exporter of Terminalia Chebula:

Terminalia Chebula Exporter

Facts about tribulus aquaticus:

Tribulus aquaticus vegetates at Lahore and Cashmere and is a nutritious amylaceous substance which affords a considerable revenue principally to the Cashmerean government The waternuts are boiled and so sold in the bazaars A poultice of Trapa natans is recommended to resolve indolent tumors probably Trapa bispinosa would serve the same end

Source:
- Thirty-five Years in the East Adventures, Discoveries, Experiments and Historical Sketches Relating to the Panjab and Cashmere; in Connection with Medicine, Botany, Pharmacy, &c. Together with an Original Materia Medica, and a Medical Vocabulary in Four European and Five Eastern Languages. By John Martin Honigberger



- apparently not so rare after all. Quit attacking me and defend your damn product. You own a business expect criticism.

- Mashed.

Yes I do admit there does seem to be something missing but you have to understand, based on their past performance and how well their products have worked they have earned my trust. They would have to put out a really bad product to lose it. If doesn't look like they have. As long as they keep putting out good products I'll buy them because I trust them. That is what this board was built on, I have been here longer than almost anybody and you may think it was something else but we built a place where we trusted what others were saying even though we don't always agree... and that's ok, just find a way to present your arguement constructively. Nobody is going to eat your lunch for that. Call me a dipshit for trusting someone who has earned will not get it done sorry.

Oh and Prime is working very well so far, lets let it do it's job the truth of how well it works will be apparent in time.

 

[Imeniaan]

Cell Tech;

Cell-Tech Hardcore is powered by Nanomolecular Hyperdispersion Technology for ultra-fast absorption

 

[Iron Lungz]

Yes I do admit there does seem to be something missing but you have to understand, based on their past performance and how well their products have worked they have earned my trust. They would have to put out a really bad product to lose it. If doesn't look like they have. As long as they keep putting out good products I'll buy them because I trust them. That is what this board was built on, I have been here longer than almost anybody and you may think it was something else but we built a place where we trusted what others were saying even though we don't always agree... and that's ok, just find a way to present your arguement constructively. Nobody is going to eat your lunch for that. Call me a dipshit for trusting someone who has earned will not get it done sorry.

Oh and Prime is working very well so far, lets let it do it's job the truth of how well it works will be apparent in time.

I'm not coming down on you, but you keep saying the same exact thing over and over.
I'm glad that you have it in you to trust so unreservedly; I’m also glad it's working out for you.

 

[DreamWeaver]

I'm not coming down on you, but you keep saying the same exact thing over and over.
I'm glad that you have it in you to trust so unreservedly; I’m also glad it's working out for you.

Well It seems that there are some not getting the point, why we jumped on the bandwagon, and it's not unreservedly this company earned it. I was skeptical when I bought Recreate, because Powerfull (old version) did not do much for me however Cissus did. Recreate really worked well for me so I decided to take a chance on Prime. You see they earned it by putting out good products. How is that unreserved. The marketing is a bit extreme but I don't care as long as I get what I payed for, and so far I have for the most part, especially with there latest releases, although I still haven't completely made my mind up on Prime it does look very good so far.

That's about as complicated as it really needs to be, make good products people buy them, don't make good products don't buy them. Know enough about your body and you can tell the difference.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Mashed, I'm not necessarily sure what you are asking. I tend to gloss over inflammatory posts, could you possibly consolidate your concerns? At that point, I will attempt to identify them.

 

[Ubiyca]

Well It seems that there are some not getting the point, why we jumped on the bandwagon, and it's not unreservedly this company earned it. I was skeptical when I bought Recreate, because Powerfull (old version) did not do much for me however Cissus did. Recreate really worked well for me so I decided to take a chance on Prime. You see they earned it by putting out good products. How is that unreserved. The marketing is a bit extreme but I don't care as long as I get what I payed for, and so far I have for the most part, especially with there latest releases, although I still haven't completely made my mind up on Prime it does look very good so far.

That's about as complicated as it really needs to be, make good products people buy them, don't make good products don't buy them. Know enough about your body and you can tell the difference.

Cissus is a HORRIBLE example lol.. This isn't something they invented. They came out with a 5% extract, then a "SUPER" version with 10% which is still on the low end of the spectrum when you consider most other companies such as Primaforce has 40% potency by default.

Then they go our cissus is ENGINEERED blah blah blah and extracted with extreme special patent pending technology blablabla. It's terribly overpriced for what you get and not competitive with the industry whatsoever.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Cissus is a HORRIBLE example lol.. This isn't something they invented. They came out with a 5% extract, then a "SUPER" version with 10% which is still on the low end of the spectrum when you consider most other companies such as Primaforce has 40% potency by default.

Then they go our cissus is ENGINEERED blah blah blah and extracted with extreme special patent pending technology blablabla. It's terribly overpriced for what you get and not competitive with the industry whatsoever.

Recreate was the real backbreaker for me... I don't know a lot about Cissus but it did work so that's all I cared about.

 

[B5150]

Cissus is a HORRIBLE example lol.. This isn't something they invented. They came out with a 5% extract, then a "SUPER" version with 10% which is still on the low end of the spectrum when you consider most other companies such as Primaforce has 40% potency by default.

Then they go our cissus is ENGINEERED blah blah blah and extracted with extreme special patent pending technology blablabla. It's terribly overpriced for what you get and not competitive with the industry whatsoever.

You do realize that it is not so much the extraction % but rather the active extract that differentiates one product from another.

10% extract of X is not the same as 40% of Y. The greater the extract % does not constitute a greater desired physiologic manifestations.

If I desire the characteristics of extract properties of X but consume an extract that is 40% of Y I do not reap the desired results.

 

[B5150]

Mashed, I'm not necessarily sure what you are asking. I tend to gloss over inflammatory posts, could you possibly consolidate your concerns? At that point, I will attempt to identify them.

No sh1t!!!

MP,

Are you wanting to have specifics of extractions/actives and sources/raws qualified and/or validated?

If so, maybe you could seize with the inflamatory and accusation posts and simply ask for the facts regarding the constituents rather than discredit the integrity of the people involved.

 

[jakellpet]

crikey! People still wingeing about USPLabs marketing etc?

Wipe those tears and get over it girls. It's like listening to broken bloody records.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Cissus is a HORRIBLE example lol.. This isn't something they invented. They came out with a 5% extract, then a "SUPER" version with 10% which is still on the low end of the spectrum when you consider most other companies such as Primaforce has 40% potency by default.

Then they go our cissus is ENGINEERED blah blah blah and extracted with extreme special patent pending technology blablabla. It's terribly overpriced for what you get and not competitive with the industry whatsoever.

Competitive with industry necessarily implies an industry standard that a product must comply with, or deviate from; in this particular instance, there is no 'industry standard'. The entire body of research surrounding CQ utilizes whole-herb preparations (including stems, roots, seeds, and leaves) and therein postulates as to the active constituents. In releasing the original SC, we felt that 4 particular ketosterones were of interest, and therefore standardized our product to "5% ketosterones, and 95% whole herb". To imply 40% is better - and therefore is the industry standard - is erroneous and invalid; invalid on the grounds that the premise (CQ industry standard) exists.

In fact, CQ was not a popular ingredient before the release of cAMPH (though quite ubiquitous in Traditional Eastern Medicine) and therefore the case is reasonably made for USP Labs setting any potential industry standard, in this case. Without refute, SC and cAMPH far predate any of our major competition's Cissus formulations - this is not an insult, defamation or otherwise inflammatory statement, but merely a truthful one.

In respects to standardization debates, there are two predominant modes of thought: That low specific-standardized preparations more accurately reflect the preparations in the research, while still preserving the integrity of the intended constituent; and high specific standardization preparations necessarily surpass the preparations reflected in the research, and are therefore more efficacious. At this point, neither can be validated by anything aside from anecdotal feedback - once again, to insinuate that one is better vis-a-vis objective interpretation of the keto % is incorrect.

Finally, any Botanist or individual versed in plant biology will reiterate this primary fact: Plants - even of the same genus - will produce qualitatively and quantitatively different constituents based on soil quality, and cultivation techniques; this is not conjecture by any means. Mucuna Pruriens, for example, highly differentiates itself based on the cultivation and harvesting methods, and primarily based on the latitude and longitude of the growing locations; this causes fluctuations not only in the inherent L-DOPA content, but fluctuations in the native DCIs or other independent L-DOPA enhancing adjuvents postulated to vastly increase its efficacy over synthetic L-DOPA.

 

[B5150]

WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis.

If you continue to produce all of this substance to support your assertions on the derivatives and constituents that differantiate your products form others you will extinguish all means of irrational and illogical assumption being made by your adversaries....and that is just not fair to them

 

[Guest]

Cissus is a HORRIBLE example lol.. This isn't something they invented. They came out with a 5% extract, then a "SUPER" version with 10% which is still on the low end of the spectrum when you consider most other companies such as Primaforce has 40% potency by default.
.

No one "invents" anything in the industry they find it and or find NEW use for it.

Cissus Quadrangularis was never intended to be used as a tendon and ligament support supplement until USPlabs discovered it and other companies jumped on the bandwagon.

USPlabs is the reason that every other company uses Cissus.

We have use patent filed for Cissus and once awarded, These companies will be forced out of the sector.

We been down the 40% and 10% keto sterone argument road to many times to be worth repeating...conduct a search.

 

[strategicmove]

There are many PRIME logs currently running, and these all all non-sponsored, so the loggers have every motivation to report accurate assessments of the results (or otherwise) they experienced from PRIME.

People have different subjective reasons they dislike certain companies. As it turns out, this dislike is ultimately transferred from the company to its products, leading some to automatically challenge the companies' products by default, even before having a chance to try them. That is human nature. Yet, it is hard to see a company, any company at all, that introduces a product without claiming it is the best-in-class. This is part of marketing in the supplement industry! The company makes this claim without having tested its new product against all other competing products. In spite of this, the claim is somehow accepted, or glossed over, without anyone insisting the company should produce chunks of clinicals to justify dubbing its product the best of the best.

I hear some saying USPLabs claims belong in a different category. Subjective! What if PRIME is marketed as a PH killer? For many, this claim means you can take PRIME and get results so comparable to PH cycles, without the known side-effects of PH cycles, that some people would prefer to stick to PRIME! Let's not pretend that everyone that does a cycle retains the gains afterwards. Some never even fully recover from the sides! Others experience partial recovery! For these individuals, for whom PH cycles were less-than-optimal, PRIME is a genuine alternative.

So, are the claimed benefits from PRIME overstated? From my point of view, unbiased (neutral) user-feedback, in the course of time, will tell. Before then, let's try to release those grips on our jugulars!

 

[Ubiyca]

No one "invents" anything in the industry they find it and or find NEW use for it.

Cissus Quadrangularis was never intended to be used as a tendon and ligament support supplement until USPlabs discovered it and other companies jumped on the bandwagon.

USPlabs is the reason that every other company uses Cissus.

We have use patent filed for Cissus and once awarded, These companies will be forced out of the sector.

We been down the 40% and 10% keto sterone argument road to many times to be worth repeating...conduct a search.

Hmm interesting, I was wondering if that was so or not (USPLabs starting cissus revolution) ..interesting

 

[B5150]

As it turns out, this dislike is ultimately transferred from the company to its products, leading some to automatically challenge the companies' products by default, even before having a chance to try them.

I have issues with authority figures and I believe it stems from my childhood and father abuse and abandonment issues. I have a lot of things on my mind. Can you pencil me in...

 

[B5150]

Hmm interesting, I was wondering if that was so or not (USPLabs starting cissus revolution) ..interesting

No disrespect or bias (pro or con) towards USPlabs, but they are not the first to use "Adaptogens" as an active either. In this case they just happened to use a particular adaptogen extract and call theirs Cellmend™...and trademark it.

 

[strategicmove]

I have issues with authority figures and I believe it stems from my childhood and father abuse and abandonment issues. I have a lot of things on my mind. Can you pencil me in...

Authority figures? I'm clueless!

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I read through some of MP's commentary, and hopefully this will both clarify some inconsistencies, and alleviate several concerns surrounding our cultivation, manufacturing, and encapsulation process.

Firstly, MP is correct in one respect: Many of these parent herbs have unusually long gestation and cultivation processes, requiring a priori growth and cultivation - that is, intended growth before our interests in that plant arrive. That being said, there are many ways around this, and two of them are our primary method: Firstly, it is possible to purchase previously gestated plants, and move them to our facility which shares similar soil conditions; secondly, it is also possible to sub-contract native Indian farms which are already growing said plant - in such cases, the plants are grown in the natural process, transported to our facility, and extracted there.

Obviously, this leads us into MP's next postulate: Our land ownership in India. To address this in the briefest manner possible, let me say the following:

a) We manufacture GMP in India, in our facilities there.

b) We also own harvesting land, which carries out the actions detailed above.

c) Our shipping facility is located in Texas, and we do not manufacture of process there in any way - it is merely a shipping facility.

In this respect, we know exactly where, how, and when our ingredients are grown, harvested, and encapsulated. There are very few and far between - possibly no - companies who can claim that level of inclusivity with the production of their ingredients. We can ensure quality because we have owned the raws from start to finish!

Thirdly, the rarity of the ingredients in question.vMP quoted the considerable profitability of the raw ingredients for the Cashmerean Government (Kashmirean, I believe); in that respect, allow me to add some context here: Kashmir is a region in India bitterly divided between India, Pakistan, and China. The region in which wild Tribulus plants primarily grow, is in the Indian controlled Kashmir and Jammu - further, the 'Cashmerean Government' in the reference MP cited, with almost certainty is referring to the smaller Governmental body of the specific Kashmir Valley therein: A small mountainous region.

In that light, a 'considerable profit' for that region is minute by western standards, and is arrived at primarily by the collection of wild Tribulus plants; while an earnest and honest effort by MP, it is necessarily inaccurate and decontextualized. Remember, no argument is valid without the proper context. In addressing this concern for unavailability, we purchased a massive supply of Trib. A., plants for further cultivation and harvesting, as well as purchasing supplies of collected wild plants.

In respects to our specific extraction process, that is proprietary information and unless the same request is being asked of every company on the board, I am going to acquiesce that particular request.

Jacob is most definitely not the only member of ownership for our board, nor USP Labs only employee; in the most literal sense, USP Labs is multinational. Aside from ownership and our chemists, I am the highest ranking official at USP Labs, and I am Canadian; our manufacturing facilities and Ph.D Chemist team is located primarily in India; we have several members of ownership across the United States, and representatives in both United States in Canada. Our actions are very coordinated with our growth, and retain a certain sense of continuity in our actions - such is being displayed with our rapid retail expansion.

Any further information would be of a far too sensitive nature to divulge without some necessary burden of proof; a burden of proof, I would add, I do not feel that MP has provided.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I would add the above post represents the utmost of depth with which I am willing to discuss our processes; I feel I have gone above and beyond to eradicate an unfair skepticism and hostility - any further is simply unreasonable, and would be ridiculous business practice.

As a company, our extraction processes remain firmly USP Labs' intellectual property, and requesting for the exact method to be revealed is beyond ridiculous (at least in my opinion). To be completely truthful, I have seen the exact chemical steps through which our sapogenic/adaptagenic are extracted, and they are most definitely exhaustive.

As I said, as a company we take the utmost care and precise approach possible to ensure our products are of the freshest and most high quality nature possible.

 

[B5150]

Authority figures? I'm clueless!

I was having play with your psychology reference.

"Dislike...transferred...automatically challenge...by default."

If Daddy only loved me more maybe I would have turned out to be a more well adjusted human being

 

[Big3upgrade]

I'd love me some dat dere prime. I wonder what would be better dat dere cell tech or dat dere prime. They cost about the same, and on the ads they both says that I will gain 15lbs in a month.

 

[Ubiyca]

I'd love me some dat dere prime. I wonder what would be better dat dere cell tech or dat dere prime. They cost about the same, and on the ads they both says that I will gain 15lbs in a month.

Dat dere prime will give you better results than prohormones bro, can't go wrong with that.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Dat dere prime will give you better results than prohormones bro, can't go wrong with that.

If I may, what does this particular sentence accomplish, in your eyes? You were criticizing Jacob for his unprofessional behaviour earlier, but now appear to be in this thread for nothing more than antagonistic intents; what is the point?

This post accomplishes nothing other than making you appear foolish and childish - if you have your issues with USP Labs, express them respectfully and substantially. If not, AM may unfortunately turn into "other" forums.

 

[jazzman21]

If I may, what does this particular sentence accomplish, in your eyes? You were criticizing Jacob for his unprofessional behaviour earlier, but now appear to be in this thread for nothing more than antagonistic intents; what is the point?

This post accomplishes nothing other than making you appear foolish and childish - if you have your issues with USP Labs, express them respectfully and substantially. If not, AM may unfortunately turn into "other" forums.

You have the patience of a saint.

 

[poopypants]

Poopy, my problem is not whether Prime works or not, its How you all allowed them to operate like muscletech (in some cases with even more outlandish statements) and turn a blind eye.

""USPlabs Prime™ Destroys Pro-Hormones & Pro-Steroids – Rendering Them Obsolete… "

All this before the product even entered the stores. What study was this based on again....oh right "in house" study. How could you possibly make such a claim on a product that has no scientific study or otherwise to back it up.

THATS MY PROBLEM!

You know if AX, or ALRI, or ERGO for example, said something as such about a new trib based product they were releasing, you would be the first to jump at their throat for making such a claim with no sicentific evidence and VERY limited study.

I mean look at the two:

USP: USPLabs Direct (ad for prime)
MUSCLETECH :CellTech Hardcore Creatine Supplement By MuscleTech (their ad for celtech)

....same hype language, same hype statistics.

Point made.

Dude Mash, Leave me outta this. No point has been made.

I asked for peeps to just chill and called your actions over the top, which I stand by. You ARE acting childish and throwing around posts like your the end all word on whats over hyped or not.

I personally got to follow all the Beta tests as they happened, I didnt buy into some hype machine or anything else youve stated, I made an educated decision on numbers and results I saw occur across many weeks. I am now offering here for the greater good an unadulterated log of the final product so I can see for myself if it still lives up to the betas and hopefully put some naysayers to rest IF I turn out some good results. Or show its really not all that if it isnt in its production form.

AX HAS done more hyping hten any other brand Ive know, usually rightly so, BUT none the less Hype city... even with their simple ATD and DHEA product that was supposed to be the follow up to a POTENT anabolic steroid of their past.... real bad choice for an example.

ALRI also makes TONS of outragous claims with practically NO science just a ton of sales Similies and metaphors for what its like, not only are you not going to meat their claims YOU ARENT EVEN TAKING WHATS ON THE LABEL.... rather your test booster is a suppresive steroid... USPL hasnt yet once had an issue with tainted or altogether wrong product in the pills... again bad example.

And I just wont go there with ERGO as I know PA's hype \machine and all his sheople beat out any other marketing ploy out there, PLUS EVERYTHING is outragously overpriced, USPL has one thing thats got a high price tag IMO and maybe it will live up to it, time will be the deciding factor.... again bad example.

You make such outlandish accusations and DEMAND responses to the exact deeds of land owned by USPL and the like, why do you think they havnt been answered? LIKE YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW TO KNOW PRIME OR ANYTHING ELSE WORKS???? a write up is adequate and appropriate to ask for.

Now look at all the other brands you mentioned, look at HALF THE INDUSTRY!!!!! you will see the same claims, the same hype the same "BS" your claiming exists only between USPL and MT..... your being ignorant by choice here which translates into stupidity if you really believe what you type.

I have no problem with the companies listed above, all their products have their place but no decisions about what their claims stated cant be made till the actual results are wide spread and known to the consumers and myself.... you are jumping the gun and downing something you know nothing about... something almost no one knows anything about.... wheres your ammo mashed?

NOW again leave me outta this, follow my log and the others then when some solid feedback one way or another presents itself to the entire world that didnt get to follow the Beta you can throw your dirt or eat your words.

Good day.

 

[poopypants]

WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis.

If you continue to produce all of this substance to support your assertions on the derivatives and constituents that differantiate your products form others you will extinguish all means of irrational and illogical assumption being made by your adversaries....and that is just not fair to them

LMAO if any of yall didnt find this sarcasm slathered post as probably the funniest thing yet then you gotta get a sense of humor and learn the def of sarcasm.

Im still baffled at how this is still a question for most people myself as its been explained in anti cissus/anti USPL cissus threads again and again.


well said both B and Mullet

 

[poopypants]

I read through some of MP's commentary, and hopefully this will both clarify some inconsistencies, and alleviate several concerns surrounding our cultivation, manufacturing, and encapsulation process.

Firstly, MP is correct in one respect: Many of these parent herbs have unusually long gestation and cultivation processes, requiring a priori growth and cultivation - that is, intended growth before our interests in that plant arrive. That being said, there are many ways around this, and two of them are our primary method: Firstly, it is possible to purchase previously gestated plants, and move them to our facility which shares similar soil conditions; secondly, it is also possible to sub-contract native Indian farms which are already growing said plant - in such cases, the plants are grown in the natural process, transported to our facility, and extracted there.

Obviously, this leads us into MP's next postulate: Our land ownership in India. To address this in the briefest manner possible, let me say the following:

a) We manufacture GMP in India, in our facilities there.

b) We also own harvesting land, which carries out the actions detailed above.

c) Our shipping facility is located in Texas, and we do not manufacture of process there in any way - it is merely a shipping facility.

In this respect, we know exactly where, how, and when our ingredients are grown, harvested, and encapsulated. There are very few and far between - possibly no - companies who can claim that level of inclusivity with the production of their ingredients. We can ensure quality because we have owned the raws from start to finish!

Thirdly, the rarity of the ingredients in question.vMP quoted the considerable profitability of the raw ingredients for the Cashmerean Government (Kashmirean, I believe); in that respect, allow me to add some context here: Kashmir is a region in India bitterly divided between India, Pakistan, and China. The region in which wild Tribulus plants primarily grow, is in the Indian controlled Kashmir and Jammu - further, the 'Cashmerean Government' in the reference MP cited, with almost certainty is referring to the smaller Governmental body of the specific Kashmir Valley therein: A small mountainous region.

In that light, a 'considerable profit' for that region is minute by western standards, and is arrived at primarily by the collection of wild Tribulus plants; while an earnest and honest effort by MP, it is necessarily inaccurate and decontextualized. Remember, no argument is valid without the proper context. In addressing this concern for unavailability, we purchased a massive supply of Trib. A., plants for further cultivation and harvesting, as well as purchasing supplies of collected wild plants.

In respects to our specific extraction process, that is proprietary information and unless the same request is being asked of every company on the board, I am going to acquiesce that particular request.

Jacob is most definitely not the only member of ownership for our board, nor USP Labs only employee; in the most literal sense, USP Labs is multinational. Aside from ownership and our chemists, I am the highest ranking official at USP Labs, and I am Canadian; our manufacturing facilities and Ph.D Chemist team is located primarily in India; we have several members of ownership across the United States, and representatives in both United States in Canada. Our actions are very coordinated with our growth, and retain a certain sense of continuity in our actions - such is being displayed with our rapid retail expansion.

Any further information would be of a far too sensitive nature to divulge without some necessary burden of proof; a burden of proof, I would add, I do not feel that MP has provided.

WOW :goodpost:

That sir was above and beyond what was deserving of the haughty and demeaning posts demanding them merited.

Very well said.

-poops

 

[hardknock]

Im a bit bewildered here, and that is usually quite impossible for me to be in a state of, but correct me if I am wrong...

Was it not mash's main point to point out the fact that USP neither had a provable moa, nor scientific evidence, to back up ANY of the claims concerning PRIME?

Ok, now, as I see it, that statement has been made by said name on SEVERAL occasions throughout this thread.

Now, why not just leave it at that? Your main point was to make it obvious that you would not purchase the product if there were no proven science behind it, and also, to let others know that they should not purchase it if lacking the same previous mentioned ... So, why are you STILL HERE DISCUSSING it?

It would seem that you have had ample chances to prove your points, anything more would be deemed as simple bashing and hatred, or total disdain for this company for various reasons unknown other than just "I don't want everyone to be fooled by hype".


Get what Im saying?

 

[jazzman21]

WOW :goodpost:

That sir was above and beyond what was deserving of the haughty and demeaning posts demanding them merited.

Very well said.

-poops

Mull, always taking the high road.

 

[strategicmove]

I was having play with your psychology reference.

"Dislike...transferred...automatically challenge...by default."

If Daddy only loved me more maybe I would have turned out to be a more well adjusted human being

You are an asset to this board!

 

[jakellpet]

I was having play with your psychology reference.

"Dislike...transferred...automatically challenge...by default."

If Daddy only loved me more maybe I would have turned out to be a more well adjusted human being

lol - Jesus loves you B!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to B5150 again.

 

[Ubiyca]

If I may, what does this particular sentence accomplish, in your eyes? You were criticizing Jacob for his unprofessional behaviour earlier, but now appear to be in this thread for nothing more than antagonistic intents; what is the point?

This post accomplishes nothing other than making you appear foolish and childish - if you have your issues with USP Labs, express them respectfully and substantially. If not, AM may unfortunately turn into "other" forums.

I was just joking around obviously as well as the post I was replying to was a joke by that poster as well.

Before that post the post I made was quite serious though.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I was just joking around obviously as well as the post I was replying to was a joke by that poster as well.

Before that post the post I made was quite serious though.

Exactly, which is why I was wondering what you felt that derogatory remark added to the conversation?

 

[AM07]

There are many PRIME logs currently running, and these all all non-sponsored, so the loggers have every motivation to report accurate assessments of the results (or otherwise) they experienced from PRIME.

Just curious, but how can you have unbiased loggers reporting 100% accurate results when you have a promotion like this on the forum, http://anabolicminds.com/forum/usp-labs/104201-haters-hating-again.html

Now I'm sure many people trying to enter that contest will lie about their results with Prime, just so they can get some free bottles of it and use them, or sell them off to people.

 

[Alpine]

My oh my, looks like I opened a veritable Pandora's Box with my criticism.

Actually, perhaps it was Jacob (USPLabs) lashing out at valid consumer questions and skepticism that triggered the backlash.

One only needs to re-read the interaction once to see it's pretty clear what happened. Whatever your conclusion, I prefer the skeptical tone of some of these comments to the blind adoration and marketing. This is a supplement board and this is a business. I understand AM will NEVER be the same. I support NutraPlanet and I understand my stance on most supplements being junk is counter-productive to the business. NP happens to offer many proven bulk items that I can support. But please, lets keep some sense of sanity and realism when we are giving advice to people and recommending supplements. I'm a necessary evil; a voice of reason and balance to this constant nonsense. If you silence people like me you might as well stop calling the site a "forum." The never ending hype machines and "Board Sponsor" posters and "Logs" I see sort of make me want to stay @ forums like Cutting Edge Muscle. I miss the old days... or even the days when the "hype" was a new designer prohormone that actually had noticeable results. I know its hypocritical to love the supplement industry yet call out the faults that allow it to exist, flourish, and survive. These two stances oppose each other but I am just being honest.

I admit, I've never tried Prime but I really don't see how the ingredients can possibly do anything besides lead to a slight (minuscule) increase in serum test that is so negligible it produces no noticeable real world effects. Hell, that would almost be a best case scenario to see it do that much. I feel that is likely more credit than is even due since Tribulus has yet to definitively do this in real world humans. There is essentially no literature backing up your claims. The bastardization and "massaging" of research and studies I have seen in some of these write-ups is laughable. This is essentially Tribulus (re-inventing the wheel here) and an overlooked adaptogenic flowering tree fruit. Adaptogenic basically means nothing. Adaptogens are the new darling buzz word of the industry. There are countless herbs and compounds that are adaptogenic in nature (like Ginseng, licorice, etc.) but do jack sh1t in terms of real world performance or immune benefit. By this time, if something is obscure and overlooked there is generally a reason. It wasn't because USPLabs "discovered" it. It is unknown and unused because everyone else who has researched & tested it in the last 50 years saw little to no promise in it. Those are the hard facts. You said it yourself Jacob, nobody "invents" anything in this industry. All that's left to invent is the marketing and you are doing a damn good job. Props for that. The write-ups, product design, and overall grass roots "testimonial" marketing approach is compelling and respectable. From a business perspective you are clearly pulling things together.

If your product is so miraculous send me a bottle. I'll gladly take it and report back fairly. I think you would be surprised how unbiased and fair I would be if I noticed ANYTHING. In fact, If I noticed ANYTHING at all I would be so shocked I would likely be left with no resort but genuine praise. This isnt a setup job. Maybe your Trib extraction really is something special. If I notice a damn thing I will gladly report it in any thread of your choosing. I have tested (and even reported back) on products here before - I am not anti-innovation here. There is really no need to insult me or try and discredit me. A guy like me can be a real headache in some of these marketing threads. Your best bet is to hope I go away and don't distract too many of the buying public. Hopefully in the future when I post some genuine advice for someone you "reps" and "gurus" out there recognize a hornet's nest when you see one and leave it lie. You kicked one this time and I really don't think it worked out for you. It's about time the dissenting voice of reason got a little more respect around here. That said, I honestly will try to refrain from raining on anymore of your parades. I know it's bad for business.

By the way, in your posts and Official Prime write-up at your web page you constantly say "Adaptagen" or "Adaptagenic." The correct technical base word is usually considered Adaptogen. Most consumers wont notice or care but for someone who has actually done reading on the subject it can be a bit distracting.

GOOD GAME