What do you think? I've read comparable reviews for both, but I havn't personally used either. If you have used one (or both), please do comment on your results.
guess it depends on dosing. dthc didnt do that much for the libido but cut fat and got stronger. great focus and aggression in the gym.DTH was the best libido booster Ive ever used, with that said it didnt do a ton for muscle or strength gains.
Havent tried ActX yet.
I was only doing 3-4 a day, 5 was the most I ever took in one day.guess it depends on dosing. dthc didnt do that much for the libido but cut fat and got stronger. great focus and aggression in the gym.
thats what most people report. i been married to same woman for 21 years, was'nt that concerned about increased libido,haha. i have used both of the supps in this poll and dthc definately worked best for me.I was only doing 3-4 a day, 5 was the most I ever took in one day.
My libido was actually best on the lower dose of 3/day.
:icon_lol:thats what most people report. i been married to same woman for 21 years, was'nt that concerned about increased libido,haha.
hey, i read your review. seems like you liked the dthc. btw i reacted well to lean extreme too. did you use the 2.0 version or the original? :cheers::icon_lol:
Something to look forward too, I guess... :think:
2.0 version. Good Stuff!hey, i read your review. seems like you liked the dthc. btw i reacted well to lean extreme too. did you use the 2.0 version or the original? :cheers:
what the heck are you talking about. better recheck that.ahhh DTH doesnt contain trib anymore I think?
they took it out.
open your eyes mate.what the heck are you talking about. better recheck that.
strange in bb the label of the product still contains tribulusopen your eyes mate.
Tell me where TRIB is listed..
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wow, cant believe chuck would drop the trib. oh well, guess i have to pick up some of the new stuff. good catch, adelv.I think you have old bottles.
Chuck isnt around to confirm either? odd
GET DIESEL info....stacks and reviews - Page 27 - Bodybuilding.com Forumswheres chuck? lol
i am going to go out on a limb and say you have never actually tried dthc, just basing this on theory. i wonder how many people who voted in this poll have tried each of the products. i have and dthc got my vote. btw there is a lot of conflicting reports about trib, quality of trib involved in testing and amount given for dosing. i personally like it, but find it much more effective when combined with aveena sativa.I saw in muscular development magazine that there are studies that prove that tribulus is useless to humans, no increase in LH and as consequence no increase in test ...
Point!i am going to go out on a limb and say you have never actually tried dthc, just basing this on theory. i wonder how many people who voted in this poll have tried each of the products. i have and dthc got my vote. btw there is a lot of conflicting reports about trib, quality of trib involved in testing and amount given for dosing. i personally like it, but find it much more effective when combined with aveena sativa.
thats about 100% true. Except TTE doesnt have an effect on estrogen like AX and DTH is said to have, but AX and TTE are not multi-dem. like DTH.The 2 products are like apples and oranges. DTHC is a test / free test booster, has libido, performance, and test mimitech properties, as well as estrogen and cortisol control.
Act Extreme will free Test, help control Estrogen, and has test mimitec properties. Not a bad product at all either, but a more direct comparison would be Act Extreme vs. Trib Test Extreme.
yes it does.ahhh DTH doesnt contain trib anymore I think?
they took it out.
DTH is an EFFECTIVE test booster that has tribulus in it. We have been over this at bb.com. There is an ENTIRE thread at bb.com that shows individuals with no affiliation to GET DIESEL who used DT and DTH over the years since it came out in 2005 with hormone test results before and after use showing increases in total test, free test, with reductions in cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol.There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
Viagra isnt sold for sex drive and has no effect on sex drive......know what your talking about before talking.There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
Don't take this personal, but your logic and analogies above suck at making a valid point here. Holes and incongruencies abound.There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
No one said the product was garbage, atleast I didnt.dth isn't "bulk tribulus" anyway. DTH is actually a formulation that contains tribulus.....its dumb to say "oh that product in garrbage because tribulus is one of the ingredients in it."
Can you post bloodwork done by anyone just using tribulus alone? That would be excellant real world results to show that the studies are being skewed or that real world results reveal something studies dont.Don't take this personal, but your logic and analogies above suck at making a valid point here. Holes and incongruencies abound.
Just because studies exist do not mean they represent the "truth" and final word on the matter. There are many variables, especially where herbs are grown as well as the extraction process, that can influence how "subjects respond. Dosing protocal and the amount dosed in studies also heavily influence the outcome of studies. The people doing the studies and their possible agendas should be considered as well. One could also give interpretations based soley on specific studies that only prove their point. Those who interpret the results to their own liking and then share their interpretations with us on the boards can also influence what is perceived as the "truth" of the matter.
Studies are usefull, but should be taken with a grain of salt at times by comparing study results to real world feedback. Studies along with matching feedback from users would seem to be the ideal way to confirm or deny a company's product claims. I would say that Chuck's products and their results speak for themselves and soundly refute your statements.
Several, including myself, experience very favorable responces to good tribulus products. Even Dinoii over on his forum has begun reinvestigating trib because of possitive feedback from users.
Please don't get stuck trying to debunk someone else's product. Respect the competition and go keep inovating and making good products for us to buy.
Chuck could you post the full ingredient list of the product here? Ive seen two different labels and have no idea which one is your most current.
The point with tribulus is that there is no real world proof to show that it does anything for test production either. So to say that you cant always believe studies, in this case there isnt any info to show it works. Just saying I feel like having sex with anything that walks by is not real word proof that its a good compound.
Im not saying DTH is a tribulus only product but since it does nothing for test production and you know this, why would you use a useless compound?
The right extract of tribulus works at the correct dosage in a product that is formulated by someone who knows how to use it in synergy with other products. If you have no knowledge of what makes triblus effective and at what amount, it makes no sense to make a "blanket" statement toward all products that contain tribulus. As Im going to touch on in my next few post.....this thead and the issue is A. xtreme as a herbal test booster and DTH as an herbal test booster. There is no reason for this to be turned into a "I dont like tribulus" thread.I just have to say that I agree. Everytime I see a prouduct with trib in it, I just wonder why?. Sure maybe the other ingredients are worthwile but why put something like Trib in it and ruin it?. It just seems like a waste of money for the manufacturer and is just a "filler" product. Why not take that ingredient out and make the product cheaper to produce or put more of some other ingredient. I am just confused why anyone puts it in their product.
Chuck could you post the full ingredient list of the product here? Ive seen two different labels and have no idea which one is your most current.
The point with tribulus is that there is no real world proof to show that it does anything for test production either. So to say that you cant always believe studies, in this case there isnt any info to show it works. Just saying I feel like having sex with anything that walks by is not real word proof that its a good compound.
Im not saying DTH is a tribulus only product but since it does nothing for test production and you know this, why would you use a useless compound?
It made no sense......we are not talking about tribulus here."There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength."
Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.Can you post bloodwork done by anyone just using tribulus alone? That would be excellant real world results to show that the studies are being skewed or that real world results reveal something studies dont.
Chuck's product doesnt refute anything Ive posted because as he has alreadly pointed out his product is not a tribulus only product. You cant claim that his product which gives results is the same thing as taking tribulus alone.
Im not trying to debunk his product at all and I think that companies who innovate should be held in very high regard for their work. What ingredients are being used that are innovative?
Sense you are familiar with the synergy can you explain these studies?The right extract of tribulus works at the correct dosage in a product that is formulated by someone who knows how to use it in synergy with other products. If you have no knowledge of what makes triblus effective and at what amount, it makes no sense to make a "blanket" statement toward all products that contain tribulus. As Im going to touch on in my next few post.....this thead and the issue is A. xtreme as a herbal test booster and DTH as an herbal test booster. There is no reason for this to be turned into a "I dont like tribulus" thread.
Im not comparing ACTX to tribulus. Im comparing ACTXs formula to DTH. I see 90% of the ingredients used in DTH have nothing to do with increasing testosterone or free test. So my comparison is correct. You have a great product for improving sex drive and as an aphrodisiac but it is short on compounds that will increase test and free test.You can get the full ingredients at getdiesel.com or nutraplanet.com and post them yourself. Your first post made a comments to the tune of:
It made no sense......we are not talking about tribulus here.
You are basically trying to set me up for some okee-doke or something saying Tribulus doesnt increase test so why use it" like Im going to be dumb enough to reply with proof on what it does and why its in DTH. So next thing you know there will be a A. xtreme with tribulus. hahaha
I was the first person to introduce Divanil to the bodybuilding industry. You use it because of the work I did. No one had a high extract of Divanil until I spent the time and money having it developed. You have not released a single innovative compound. You formulate products based on other people work and claim it as your own. There is nothing innovate about the compounds used in DTH or that combination of compounds.Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.
To innovate is to either making something completely new or put together a mixture of ingredients that creates something innovative...effects wise.....ie DIESEL TEST hardcore and NOS ETHER for example.
You were trying to debunk DTH saying its only good for libido and nothing else.
You want innovative and effective:
http://forum.body building.com /showthread.php?t=612113
there you go.
A simple search here or at bb.com with the terms "DIESEL TEST Hardcore" will let you know why there is no need for me to go back and forth with this discussion. Like I said DTH is the go to product during PCT and when people want an herbal test booster that works standalone......without reps pimping it all over the boards.
Not to be a dlck chuck. But to tell designer they are not innovative for coming out with 3,4Div is just down right fvcking retarded. That compound was a market breaker, nothing like it was out at the time, now it is in everything. Then to tout your product as the "Innovative" one, when this board has been mixing those compounds for years, I dont understand the logic.Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.
There is blood work to show the above. Its very effective for PCT (actual blood work from Riseboi when surpressed coming off a JW cycle). They all rave about ACTX because its THE BEST!Im not saying Actx doesnt work for freeing up test....it has an ingredient that frees up test (nettle). Im saying it isnt on the level of DTH. There was an entire log where I asked Actx loggers of the summer of 2007 to try DTH and log and compare and guess what....not one of them said they liked Actx better. Yeah only about 3 said they like DTH better and some went neutral but not one said they liked Actx better. I dont see any logs with people's free test damn near doubling on Actx like on DTH. I dont see total test going up and cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol going down on Actx. Yeah it probably works but its not DTH.
Dont try to point out the fact that DTH is effective for libido and contains tribulus to try to take away from its effects on LMM, training intensity, strength, power, recovery, mental focus, endurance, NO enhancement, HTPA recovery, mood elevation.....on and on.
All those people over at bb.com raving over Actx is because they have never used DTH. All those people using Actx over there are using it because as soon as they ask "whats a good test booster" you get about 4-10 post from DS reps telling them to use Actx and I dont even bother most of the time telling them to use DTH. DTH users are telling them 2.
By the way that link doesnt work.Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.
To innovate is to either making something completely new or put together a mixture of ingredients that creates something innovative...effects wise.....ie DIESEL TEST hardcore and NOS ETHER for example.
You were trying to debunk DTH saying its only good for libido and nothing else.
You want innovative and effective:
http://forum.body building.com /showthread.php?t=612113
there you go.
A simple search here or at bb.com with the terms "DIESEL TEST Hardcore" will let you know why there is no need for me to go back and forth with this discussion. Like I said DTH is the go to product during PCT and when people want an herbal test booster that works standalone......without reps pimping it all over the boards.
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