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    Quote Originally Posted by DemntedCowboy View Post
    How do I post data to something I dont have access to, again YOU are making A$$-U-MPTIONS that I work for the company. This is the last thing I have to say. Cause you just want to argue with people. Thats all you ever do in all your post. So I'm done with you. I offered to send you a sample from my personal stash when I get home. Right now I'm trying to console my mother as we lost my grandmother lastnight and we have to set up arrangements. Thats a bit more important than dealing with your stupidity.
    Sorry to hear about your loss.

    Itís just cursory google searches heís referencing. What he posted for research abstracts can be found via google.

    Also, Iíd say heís more debating than arguing. Him and I debated over a thread I made on another forum a while ago. I think healthy debating is good for the forums. Different perspectives/views = learning.


  2. I have not tried Radiate+, I did use the OG Radiate. I like the peach flavor, and it was good for what I described as a dirty stim feeling. I used it to drive from Florida to IL without staying overnight. I am stim sensitive, so that may be why it felt too "dirty" "stimmy" <- big words lol to workout on. The team over at RXS has always been cool with me, so I do enjoy seeing their success.

    I did say I prefer FitMax to it for daily use and fat loss, however a lot of people (not RXS affiliated people) ganged up on me saying I was biased due to my affiliation with Performax Labs. I just feel FitMax is a more complete formula.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    From an outside perspective, who has purchased a bunch of Radiate in the past, it was excellent for energy/focus. I will admit, when I saw the Radiate+ on their site (I haven't tried it) I was curious as to why KSM-66 was added to it because shouldn't that be relaxing? And this is for fat burning. And I am also aware that 600mg is the dose considered for it to work properly.

    So I am half and half on this. Radiate has always been great for it's purpose of getting your ass to the gym, especially cardio. But this blend is a bit odd to me as well.
    again, if it works for you and you enjoy it...rock on, keep using it.

    All I am saying is that to ME, it looks like the supposed benefits people are experiencing are a result of a few select ingredients within in the forumula (stims and GBB) which can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Again, if you want to spend the $30 on it (or whatever it costs) then awesome. But people shouldn't be acting as if this formula contains some special results not available elsewhere or that it's innovative in any way.
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    KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controller. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
    For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, you’ll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
    Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals

    You can find all of these off VT's links or through multiple Pubmed studies. (Couple google searches)
    Checking out pages like Stack3d and PricePlow have good information on clinical doses of ingredients, what they do, and the benefits when dosed properly.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controlled. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
    For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, you’ll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
    Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals


    I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.
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    I agree 100%. What KSM-66 provides (in an adequate dose) are easy to justify for the money it costs to buy in bulk.
    Especially in a fatloss or dieting phase for the cortisol, mood, and stress related benefits.

    Whenever anyone wants to buy a product they should research what they are ingesting. its always important to know what your intaking, what it does, and what the sides can be. This is another reason why I outline in my reviews what each ingredient does and its sole purpose. This way consumers know what to expect and what each ingredient is aimed for.

    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.
    Itís my favorite standalone for sure

  8. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.
    May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
    Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
    Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeTom View Post
    May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
    Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
    Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?
    600mg is a clinical dose to see the benefits for stress, cortisol, and mood. You will want to dose it in that amount to get the most out of the product regarldess of your goal

    You could say the same for:
    Citrulline
    Beta-Alanine
    Betaine
    Agmatine
    LCLT
    etc...

    This is why ingredients are so heavily studied in different dosages and amounts. This way we know through research, and human experience what works and how much is needed to product those results.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controller. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
    For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, youíll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
    Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals

    You can find all of these off VT's links or through multiple Pubmed studies. (Couple google searches)
    Checking out pages like Stack3d and PricePlow have good information on clinical doses of ingredients, what they do, and the benefits when dosed properly.
    Stress Free. So.. Thatís why I laugh at people now when they say ugly and stupid things to Me. Because normally I go off.. Lol!!

  11. lol...when I left this thread last night the topic was topical viagra
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    again, if it works for you and you enjoy it...rock on, keep using it.

    All I am saying is that to ME, it looks like the supposed benefits people are experiencing are a result of a few select ingredients within in the forumula (stims and GBB) which can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Again, if you want to spend the $30 on it (or whatever it costs) then awesome. But people shouldn't be acting as if this formula contains some special results not available elsewhere or that it's innovative in any way.
    I understand. I never used Radiate for literal results, it was just a high stim product to get me going to do the cardio.

  13. Itís being called topical Viagra, but it is glyceryl trinitrate. Otherwise known as nitro glycerin. It is an old heart medication to dilate blood vessels to prevent heart pain. They had the medication made into a spray because it is easier than a pill under the tongue. Of course somebody sprayed it on their junk and noticed stiffness.
    I doubt this will hit the over the counter market. The FDA will put it on hold because the pharmaceutical companies would lose money. It would be nice if it would.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by GHopkins View Post
    It’s being called topical Viagra, but it is glyceryl trinitrate. Otherwise known as nitro glycerin. It is an old heart medication to dilate blood vessels to prevent heart pain. They had the medication made into a spray because it is easier than a pill under the tongue. Of course somebody sprayed it on their junk and noticed stiffness.
    I doubt this will hit the over the counter market. The FDA will put it on hold because the pharmaceutical companies would lose money. It would be nice if it would.
    that sounds really interesting....a lot of stuff has dual purposes, when I used to get cortisone shots in my knee I noticed that the stuff they sprayed on my knee before injecting really deadened the pain-I talked my doc into giving me what was left in the bottle and used it when pain got severe.
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  15. Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is one of few ingredients I dont overdose. 600-750mg gives me incredible sedation and calmness. Thats why I take it 1-2 hours prior bed.

    KSM66 is dirt cheap too so there is no reason for supplement companies to underdose it either...

  16. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I'm not a rep for HTP, and have not been employed by HTP for 6 months or so.


    edit: I take it you're not going to take me up on my offer?
    Finally ditched that bozo company? Congrats.

    And stop with non-compliant Noopept B.S. it's only WADA non-compliant not illegal, fck WADA, vast majority of people who would use Noopept don't have to worry about anti-doping rules. If so....THEIR responsibility to read the fcking product label and discuss with their coach, etc. The non-compliant B.S. needs to stop. If it's LEGAL, it goes in.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by shockrock3 View Post
    Finally ditched that bozo company? Congrats.

    And stop with non-compliant Noopept B.S. it's only WADA non-compliant not illegal, fck WADA, vast majority of people who would use Noopept don't have to worry about anti-doping rules. If so....THEIR responsibility to read the fcking product label and discuss with their coach, etc. The non-compliant B.S. needs to stop. If it's LEGAL, it goes in.
    Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

    Given itís a synthetic supplement, it seems itís not compliant.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

    Given itís a synthetic supplement, it seems itís not compliant.
    Don't care, it's not illegal, period. DMHA, not illegal, period. Shall I go on? Don't care about your legislative branches or whatever....until the GOVERNMENT says it's banned, it's all fair game to be in all supplements as it is now.
    If you care so much, ask Monte why it's in Radiate
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

    Given itís a synthetic supplement, it seems itís not compliant.
    Half this entire forum consists of companies selling ďresearch chemicalsĒ for people to ďtestĒ on their ďrats.Ē Sometimes itís better to pick your fights lol, even if youíre technically correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    So, you work for the company then. This makes a bit more sense now.


    Yes ingredients ARE underdosed and there is no arguing that. If there were compounds not being underdosed, why is it in a prop blend? We both know the answer to this question.


    Lets assume you have 200mg of KSM-66 in the formula (you and I both know its lower than that, but lets be generous as assume this to be true). Can you provide ANY data showing 200mg of KSM-66 can provide benefits for a user (for any purpose)? If so, is the 200mg dose/day capable of providing results even remotely close to the suggested 600mg/day?

    How about any data showing 75mg of "eria jarensis" (we both know theres zero eria jarensis plant material in this product, but I'll keep playing the game)?

    How about 50mg of L-Dopa?

    I can keep listing the ingredients which are obviously underdosed for their intended purposes, but lets start with these.








    Again, this "just try it bro" argument is ridiculous. Hey man, I've found that drinking CEE mixed with rat piss is super anabolic. I LOVE IT! Don't believe me? Why don't you try it for yourself? I'll send you a sample when I get back to the office on Monday
    There is some research showing that lower doses of ashwagandha (withanolide content) can still help reduce stress and anxiety, maybe even cortisol too, I forget, but most studies, especially ones on endurance, body composition, etc, do use the standard 600mg/day KSM, youíre right about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Unrelated: would love to see a study on the above items with KSM at 900mg or 1200mg daily.
    There are studies that used higher doses of withanolides for various purposes, nootropic IIRC. It was Sensoril though, not KSM. Solid safety profile at higher doses, so I wouldnít be concerned about doubling up if you really wanted to try it.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeTom View Post
    May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
    Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
    Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?
    600mg/day for anything. Either split in 2 300mg doses, or all 600mg in the evening/night if itís too calming for you to use in the day.
    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.
    This. Cortisol control. Stress reduction. Increased endurance. Improved sexual function. Itís so cheap to dose at 600mg/day too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is one of few ingredients I dont overdose. 600-750mg gives me incredible sedation and calmness. Thats why I take it 1-2 hours prior bed.

    KSM66 is dirt cheap too so there is no reason for supplement companies to underdose it either...
    This. Super solid ingredient with many benefits.

  21. I ordered a bottle of Radiate caps with Grains of Paradise, which interests me as a single supplement.
    I didn't like the OG Powder, and reviewed it as such. Flavor to me was horrid.

    Ashwagandha is hit or miss with people. Sometimes too much causes a bad reaction, so a lower dose of it combined with other ingredients may just be all that is needed. I wouldnt' call 200mg a dusting. It's a great compound, and at 200mg would be quite good. I've been through the ingredient list and feel this might be pretty well formulated. We will see.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by justhere4comm View Post
    I ordered a bottle of Radiate caps with Grains of Paradise, which interests me as a single supplement.
    I didn't like the OG Powder, and reviewed it as such. Flavor to me was horrid.

    Ashwagandha is hit or miss with people. Sometimes too much causes a bad reaction, so a lower dose of it combined with other ingredients may just be all that is needed. I wouldnt' call 200mg a dusting. It's a great compound, and at 200mg would be quite good. I've been through the ingredient list and feel this might be pretty well formulated. We will see.
    If you check out my old thread in the nootropics section titled ďResearch on Various Nootropics,Ē youíll find a study that noted decreased stress/anxiety with a daily dose of 9mg withanolides, which is equivalent to 180mg KSM-66 (5% withanolide). So it may not be an IDEAL dose, but Iíll agree that itís also not an INEFFECTIVE dose.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by shockrock3 View Post
    Don't care, it's not illegal, period. DMHA, not illegal, period. Shall I go on? Don't care about your legislative branches or whatever....until the GOVERNMENT says it's banned, it's all fair game to be in all supplements as it is now.
    If you care so much, ask Monte why it's in Radiate
    Well any ingredient is illegal to sell as a dietary ingredient if it isn't DSHEA compliant or if it doesn't have an NDI.

    That's not to say i care at all FWIW. I certainly enjoy Radiate for the stimulation and the sweat it induces.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    what is the deal with this supplement? There are next to zero appropriately dosed actives.

    I have zero beef with the owners (I have no idea who they are), and I'm not trying to start a **** flinging war, but I don't get it.

    KSM-66 is included after caffeine, which means there is less than 200mg of KSM-66. Most supplements with KSM-66 provide 600mg+.

    Eria Jarensis is dosed far lower than most other supps at only 75mg when it's routine to see 125mg+ elsewhere.

    50mg of L-Dopa is laughably small when ~500mg is the proven dosage for "legit" GH increases.



    throw that into the bag when they're also including a non-compliant compound in Noo-pept...I dont understand.
    I was thinking about some of these being somewhat low ... im hesitant about buying things like this .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amon amarth View Post
    I was thinking about some of these being somewhat low ... im hesitant about buying things like this .
    Anecdotally people seem to really enjoy it. The other option for a powder that is well dosed is FitMax, and it has an open label if that comforts you more. A bit different of an approach to formulation, but also a solid option. But Iím not sure if you were looking for powder or caps.
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