TRT restart question

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  1. TRT restart question


    I havenít posted in awhile and have been on TRT since last March. I am thinking about coming off to try a natural restart just to make sure It is my only options. TRT has helped with many symptoms however, it has inexplicably hurt my erections. (recent estradiol and prolactin have come back within normal range so Iím not sure what is causing it.). But long story short Iím wondering if it is even worth the bother of eating super healthy, meditating, healthy fats and a restart protocol or if my numbers just warrant me staying on.
    I am 30, weigh about 220, 15 percent bodyfat, have been eating healthy for a long time , previous illicit drug use, mostly in college, no steroid cycle history before TRT. Below are my numbers of some tests I had before I started TRT. I realize that I should have had FSH and t3, t4, etc tested, but it didnít happen.
    My question is, do you think after 10 months, I could give myself a chance to restart my natural T? Iím fear that after a few years, it will be impossible to do and Iím worried about some of the health issues Iíve read including heart issues, fertility issues and raised cholesterol. Another issue is that sometimes I donít have the same hardness of erection as I used to which is a huge problem. I know certain studies are inconclusive, but I would like to give the natural route one more chance possiblyÖDo you think with my test results, this is possible or are they so low that I should really just be on it? Thanks.
    About:
    160 mg test weekly, hcg 400 mcg twice a week (cycled every couple months to prevent possible desensitized leydig cells) and 6.25 mg of aromasin. Here are some of my tests done in the months following up to deciding to go on trt. Most were under 300 ng/dl. In general, the testosterone has helped me with confidence and energy but has hurt erection quality and I fear about being able to come off if health issues arise later in life. My doctor had said that my estradiol was so low, that it was unlikely that a clomid restart would work. I have many recent tests but the main numbers Iím posting are numbers I had prior to TRT.
    Nov 7th 17: total t: 282 ng/dl
    nov 16th 17: total T: 421 ng/dl (highest Iíve seen it)
    feb 2018: total T: 379 ng/dl. Free t: 8.3 (9-27)
    march 18, 2018:
    Total T: 291 (264-916)
    free T: 9 (9.3-26.5)
    LH: 2.2 (1.7-8.6)
    Prolactin: 5.1 (4-15.2)
    estradiol: 6.4 (7.6-42) Low
    SHBG: 32 (16.5-56)
    TSH- .473 (.45-5.0)
    CMP:
    Glucose: 81 (65-99)
    Urea Nitrogen: 12 (6-20)
    Creatinine: 1.09 (.76-1.27)
    EGFR (non black)- 92 (>59ml/min/1.73)
    EGFR (black)- 106 (>59ml/min/1.73)
    BUN/Creatinine Ratio- 11 (9-20)
    Sodium- 141 (134-144)
    Potassium 4.0 (3.5-5.2)
    Chloride- 102 (96-106)
    Total CO2- 25 (18-29 mmol/L)
    Anion GAP 14 (10-18)
    Calcium- 9.0 (8.7- 10.2)
    Protein, TOTAL- 6.2 (6.0-8.5)
    Albumin, S 4.3 (3.5-5.5)
    Globulin 1.9 (1.5-4.5)
    A/G 2.3 (1.2-2.2) High
    Bilirubin 0.5 (0.0-1.2)
    Alkptase 38 (39-117)
    AST (GOT) 19 (0-40 IU/L)
    ALT (GPT) 23 (0-44 IU/L)
    CBC:
    WBC:5.8 (3.4-10.8)
    RBC: 4.77 (4.14-5.80)
    HGB: 14.9 (12.6-17.7)
    HCT: 42.3 (37.5-51%)
    MCV: 89 (79-97)
    MCH: 31.2 (26.6-33)
    MCHC: 35.2 (31.5-35.7)
    RDW: 13.4 (12.3-15.4)
    Placelet CT: 216 (150-379)
    MY Lipid profile is skewed because I accidently ate before this particular test. My doctor said my values were normal considering how soon after I took it
    :
    Cholesterol: 193 (100-199)
    Triglyceride 164 (H) (0-149)
    HDL Cholesterol:37 (L) (>39mg/dl)
    VLDL: 33 (5-40)
    LDL Cholesterol : 123 (H) (0-99)
    CHOL/HDL Ratio 5.2 (H) (0.0-5.0 units)


  2. I came off successfully after 3 yrs with Clomid and HCG. I was 7 yrs older than you when I came off. I been off now for 3 yrs and feel great, the only thing I miss is the “look” but otherwise than that it was mostly annoying to be on TRT, weekly shots and overly horny, saying that, I will go back on when I need it.
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  3. You were on TRT for 3 years and came off? Or you took it and 3 years later you feel normal? I'm wondering some of the details of how bad it felt when you stopped taking it or how long it took to be at your best...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    You were on TRT for 3 years and came off? Or you took it and 3 years later you feel normal? I'm wondering some of the details of how bad it felt when you stopped taking it or how long it took to be at your best...
    You feel like death when you come off
    Worst feeling in the world

  5. damnn its really that bad? Even with clomid and HCG.....How long do you think it would take after a year of TRT. Pretty subjective but maybe someone has something similar goin on.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    damnn its really that bad? Even with clomid and HCG.....How long do you think it would take after a year of TRT. Pretty subjective but maybe someone has something similar goin on.
    Prob 4-8 weeks of light clomid dose as long as your using HCG your good to go
    Yeah you loose a lot of the benefits it gave you and you go back to super low t which sucks

  7. You mentioned "no previous steroid use before trt". Have you cycled or " blasted" since you have been on trt? If so, what were they and how long? I ask because if you have been using other compounds while on trt then those could be huge factors

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BBiceps View Post
    I came off successfully after 3 yrs with Clomid and HCG. I was 7 yrs older than you when I came off. I been off now for 3 yrs and feel great, the only thing I miss is the “look” but otherwise than that it was mostly annoying to be on TRT, weekly shots and overly horny, saying that, I will go back on when I need it.
    How did you utilize the clomid and HCG?
    Think outside the box

  9. I did a lil blast of test and tried a sarm last year. Not much over a month. I don’t think it had an impact. Don’t get me wrong, mentally it’s made me feel better and more confident.....but there’s that voice in the back of my head wanting me to go the natty route one last time to see if I can get my t up to a good level. It might just put me in a world of pain and be a terrible idea lol I guess we’ll see if I do it.

  10. I was on TRT for 5 years and successfully came off using only HCG. You should definitely try a restart if you want to, I am a couple years younger than you, but only being on for 10 months, I like your chances of a successful restart.

    As far as your low estradiol, couldn't you just lower or eliminate your aromasin dosage?(under your doctor's supervision ofcourse) Then your estradiol should be in a range where your doctor will prescribe you a pharma SERM to attempt your restart.

  11. If itís helped you thereís no point of coming off youíll just go back to normal

  12. Yaron, kinda what I’m thinking.....I’m also wondering if any amount of healthy eating/supplementation could get me in a high normal range after being under 300 ng/dl

  13. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    Yaron, kinda what Iím thinking.....Iím also wondering if any amount of healthy eating/supplementation could get me in a high normal range after being under 300 ng/dl
    Honestly it wonít
    Pre trt my dr said I have something wrong with my diet and I need to start working out harder...
    Dude I was eating sooooo healthy, and I worked out so hard but couldnít see anything happening
    Now on trt I eat healthy and ****ty but Iím still loosing weight. Iím also 3x my size pre trt but thatís Bc I also throw in like 10mg dbol and var preworkout. The slowest method is always the best imo
    My point is, if you were feeling like **** pre trt then why go back

  14. Quote Originally Posted by yaron369 View Post
    You feel like death when you come off
    Worst feeling in the world
    Not true

  15. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    You were on TRT for 3 years and came off? Or you took it and 3 years later you feel normal? I'm wondering some of the details of how bad it felt when you stopped taking it or how long it took to be at your best...
    I took for 3 years and came off, felt fine the whole time, lost a few pounds of muscle and a little strength but nothing crazy. Been off for 3 years now, have been feeling as good as I always do, I’m very confident and have always been.

    The biggest difference is, I don’t have the “steroid look” anymore (bad thing) and I’m not overly horny anymore (good thing)

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RickyBlobby View Post
    How did you utilize the clomid and HCG?
    I think 50mg Clomid for the first week or 2, then 25mg for the remaining 6-8 weeks, HCG at 250mgx2 week for the first month.

    Went from zero sperm to making babies during this.

  17. Yea I want to just stay on but being on it for 50 years or however long I live seems like a long time.....I’d like to hear from others who have been on forever how their health has been? Most of those people I’m guessing also probably aren’t on the anabolic minds forum ��

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BBiceps View Post
    Not true
    Depends how you felt pre trt

  19. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    Yea I want to just stay on but being on it for 50 years or however long I live seems like a long time.....I’d like to hear from others who have been on forever how their health has been? Most of those people I’m guessing also probably aren’t on the anabolic minds forum ��
    My dad (he’s a superhuman so it’s not like this for everyone) is 60 now and have been on trt for the last 30 yrs, he have no health issues and still one of the strongest guys around, for example he did 3 reps on 405 in floor press a few months ago and can rep out muscle ups like nothing. He is and have always been all about training and having a good diet, if you live a healthy lifestyle I’m sure you’ll be fine.

  20. Damn if that’s true that’s really encouraging for me, thanks dude....I know that there is a lot of testosterone misinformation but I figured that some of them might be true in terms of cardiac issues. One thing I heard in a study is that it can lead to artery plaque In a % of people but a lot of the prostate cancer theory and heart attack risk are largely unfounded. I’d rather live happily then cloudy headed and depressed like I was, it’s just a big thing to know you’re pinning yourself for life and can’t really get off after a certain amount of time, that’s why I feel indecisive about it

  21. Quote Originally Posted by atlien2488 View Post
    Damn if thatís true thatís really encouraging for me, thanks dude....I know that there is a lot of testosterone misinformation but I figured that some of them might be true in terms of cardiac issues. One thing I heard in a study is that it can lead to artery plaque In a % of people but a lot of the prostate cancer theory and heart attack risk are largely unfounded. Iíd rather live happily then cloudy headed and depressed like I was, itís just a big thing to know youíre pinning yourself for life and canít really get off after a certain amount of time, thatís why I feel indecisive about it
    IMO you will be overall healthier on TRT if you are eating right and working out, rather than living on low t

  22. I'm going to try a restart next month, I'm just tired of how hit or miss trt has been for me. It truly has made a mess of my libido and erection ability/quality since I've been on it, and I've been on it for almost 10 years! A week before my final shot, I'll start hcg 500iu 2x a week for a couple weeks, then 50mg Clomid with 20mg tamox for a week, after that 25mg Clomid and 20mg tamox for a month or two. Then blood work to see where I'm at.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by BBiceps View Post
    My dad (heís a superhuman so itís not like this for everyone) is 60 now and have been on trt for the last 30 yrs, he have no health issues and still one of the strongest guys around, for example he did 3 reps on 405 in floor press a few months ago and can rep out muscle ups like nothing. He is and have always been all about training and having a good diet, if you live a healthy lifestyle Iím sure youíll be fine.
    He's no superhuman if he's on trt lol Being 60+ and being able to throw around the weights is common if you're on trt. My dad's 71, never been on trt or anything, just hard manual labor all his life, naturally big boned, still strong as an ox, and has crushing grip strength. My best friend's dad is 68, and he can't even do a pushup lol Look at old farmers who have thrown 200lb hay bales around all day since their teenage years, THEY are super men.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by LMuscle View Post
    He's no superhuman if he's on trt lol Being 60+ and being able to throw around the weights is common if you're on trt. My dad's 71, never been on trt or anything, just hard manual labor all his life, naturally big boned, still strong as an ox, and has crushing grip strength. My best friend's dad is 68, and he can't even do a pushup lol Look at old farmers who have thrown 200lb hay bales around all day since their teenage years, THEY are super men.
    Well, I just gave an example you nerd. I’m pretty sure your farmers is no super men either, or maybe they are in your comic book world.

  25. Why would you want to go from favorably high T to unfavorably low T? If youíre expecting that after almost a year of being on steroids that youíre somehow going to not only restart hpta but at a higher, more favorable rate, then youíre living in a fantasy.
    Do as I say, not as I do.
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