Zinc
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BringdaPain
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i hope you know zinc doesnt raise test levels, along with ZMA and all that crap companies sell you.
you want a cheap effective test booster, get bulk DAA
bigwhiteguy29
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it will not. it will only help out with bigger loads
BringdaPain
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and you think ZMA boosts test level also? gtfo
i dare you to go post on bodybuilding(dot)com forum about zinc raising levels, you need to do your research
mugen112
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The reason zma does what it does is cuz it has zinc. The magnesium doesn't do much and the b6 will help with libido by lowering prolactin. But really u could just take zinc instead of zma. Don't get me wrong I love p5p. But ya zma is marketing just take zinc. Btw I'm not knocking daa I like that stuff but seriously minerals are as important as vitamins and if u don't get enough zinc your virility will suffer.
mugen112
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Moderate zinc deficiency reduces testicular Zip6 and Zip10 abundance and impairs spermatogenesis in mice.
AuthorsCroxford TP, et al. Show all Journal
J Nutr. 2011 Mar;141(3):359-65. Epub 2011 Jan 19.
Affiliation
Department of Nutritional Sciences, The Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA 16802-6110, USA.
Abstract
Male infertility accounts for ~40% of cases of failure to conceive. Testes have a strict zinc (Zn) requirement and severe Zn deficiency compromises spermatogenesis, sperm viability, and motility, compromising fertility in men. Despite the high prevalence of marginal Zn deficiency in humans, less emphasis has been placed on understanding the consequences on male reproduction. Swiss Webster mice were used to visualize Zip protein expression during spermatogenesis using immunohistochemistry. Data suggest Zip5 imports Zn into Sertoli cells and spermatocytes, augmented by Zip10 (primary spermatocytes) and Zip8 (secondary spermatocytes). Zip6, 8, and 10 expression was retained in round spermatids, although Zip8 and Zip10 expression disappears during spermatid maturation. Zip1 and Zip6 expression was detected in mature, elongated spermatids. Zip14 was detected in undifferentiated spermatogonia and Leydig cells. Mice fed diets (n = 10/group) reduced in Zn concentration [marginal-Zn diet (MZD), 10 mg Zn/kg; low-Zn diet (ZD), 7 mg Zn/kg] for 30 d had >35% lower liver Zn concentrations than mice fed the control diet (C; 30 mg Zn/kg) (P < 0.05). Plasma Zn and testosterone concentrations and the testes Zn concentration and weight were not significantly lower than in controls. Plasma Zn was greater in the ZD group than in the C and MZD groups. Mice fed ZD had a reduced number of terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase dUTP nick end labeling-positive cells (~50%; P < 0.05), compromised seminiferous tubule structure, and reduced Zip10 and Zip6 abundance (>50%; P < 0.5) compared with mice fed C. Our data provide compelling evidence that reduced Zn intake may be associated with infertility in men, perhaps independent of decreased levels of circulating Zn or testosterone, which warrants further investigation in human populations.
PMID 21248196 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID PMC3040901 [Available on 2012/3/1]
Full text: HighWire Press
AuthorsCroxford TP, et al. Show all Journal
J Nutr. 2011 Mar;141(3):359-65. Epub 2011 Jan 19.
Affiliation
Department of Nutritional Sciences, The Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA 16802-6110, USA.
Abstract
Male infertility accounts for ~40% of cases of failure to conceive. Testes have a strict zinc (Zn) requirement and severe Zn deficiency compromises spermatogenesis, sperm viability, and motility, compromising fertility in men. Despite the high prevalence of marginal Zn deficiency in humans, less emphasis has been placed on understanding the consequences on male reproduction. Swiss Webster mice were used to visualize Zip protein expression during spermatogenesis using immunohistochemistry. Data suggest Zip5 imports Zn into Sertoli cells and spermatocytes, augmented by Zip10 (primary spermatocytes) and Zip8 (secondary spermatocytes). Zip6, 8, and 10 expression was retained in round spermatids, although Zip8 and Zip10 expression disappears during spermatid maturation. Zip1 and Zip6 expression was detected in mature, elongated spermatids. Zip14 was detected in undifferentiated spermatogonia and Leydig cells. Mice fed diets (n = 10/group) reduced in Zn concentration [marginal-Zn diet (MZD), 10 mg Zn/kg; low-Zn diet (ZD), 7 mg Zn/kg] for 30 d had >35% lower liver Zn concentrations than mice fed the control diet (C; 30 mg Zn/kg) (P < 0.05). Plasma Zn and testosterone concentrations and the testes Zn concentration and weight were not significantly lower than in controls. Plasma Zn was greater in the ZD group than in the C and MZD groups. Mice fed ZD had a reduced number of terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase dUTP nick end labeling-positive cells (~50%; P < 0.05), compromised seminiferous tubule structure, and reduced Zip10 and Zip6 abundance (>50%; P < 0.5) compared with mice fed C. Our data provide compelling evidence that reduced Zn intake may be associated with infertility in men, perhaps independent of decreased levels of circulating Zn or testosterone, which warrants further investigation in human populations.
PMID 21248196 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID PMC3040901 [Available on 2012/3/1]
Full text: HighWire Press
bigwhiteguy29
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I think with just better sleep you get with ZMA is what causes better test levels with people. You get that deep REM sleep for longer.
SoJoocy
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Never an overly bad thing I guess.
bigwhiteguy29
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when being on a cycle your test will be supressed that even sleep wont help it. you should sleep to repair muscles and recover and gain but your test is just going to be going down to matter what.
bigwhiteguy29
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yes its proven to not be strong enough. hcg is the only thing you wanan do on cycle. these natural boosters end up hurting your system because they are basically having a battle they cant win with an androgenic compound like a steroid. do you want a war going on in your nutsack?? jsut leave this stuff out of it. if it worked everyone would do it. if anything start DAA 3-7 days before cycle ends not all through.
PVL
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id agree with you there........lol! my gf can def agree with u as well.........lmao
if you want a test boost dude.........look into fenugreek in a high dose.....really cheap 2.50 onine......I would use over a gram 2 times a day.....
another thing to think about is alcohol intake, if you are young and party, keep that in mind. you cant party on cycle or off cycle if you are trying to get big.
lastly, eat a lot of fish and shellfish....................i dont know what it does, but i feel really strong after eating tuna sandwiches or steamed salmon.
if you want a test boost dude.........look into fenugreek in a high dose.....really cheap 2.50 onine......I would use over a gram 2 times a day.....
another thing to think about is alcohol intake, if you are young and party, keep that in mind. you cant party on cycle or off cycle if you are trying to get big.
lastly, eat a lot of fish and shellfish....................i dont know what it does, but i feel really strong after eating tuna sandwiches or steamed salmon.
PVL
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awesome explanation dude.....but seriously, fenugreek does a good job with sex drive..........
bigwhiteguy29
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PVL
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yeah ive been trying to get around to it...............its also awesome on blood sugar levels, keeping you under 100 most if not the whole day.
bigwhiteguy29
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PVL
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no prob dude..........one of the biggest misconceptions in bodybuilding is testosterone. you really dont need that much of a spike to make a difference man. the big thing is controlling insulin levels.........its why many pros use insulin exclusively rather than AAS. it keeps your skin healthy too keeping your levels low.
bigwhiteguy29
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PVL
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karbolyn? is that another name for waxy maize?
i prefer whole food now that I have my size.......think about taking ur supps with a meal, I promise you the absence of whey wont mess with your gains, they will help.
when you have ur size like you do, you should be eating real food because the whey will go right through you, trust me.......i gave up on whey a while back.......too hard on the digestion......just sits in ur stomach.
i prefer whole food now that I have my size.......think about taking ur supps with a meal, I promise you the absence of whey wont mess with your gains, they will help.
when you have ur size like you do, you should be eating real food because the whey will go right through you, trust me.......i gave up on whey a while back.......too hard on the digestion......just sits in ur stomach.
bigwhiteguy29
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PVL
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im following what ur saying.......lol
I have thought about trying something similar, just affraid of the bloat from the carbs post workout. im really carb sensitive
mattrag
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PVL said:
A lot of the bloat we get comes from gluten or inflammatory substances. I would give this stuff a try and see how you react. Well only if you were searching for a product like that. I don't use any liquid carbs because I don't really get to eat all that much food being on a perpetual diet...
bigwhiteguy29
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karbolyn is nice, its gluten free. food is really good though.
machorox123
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PVL said:
Well that's what whey protein is .. It's taken from milk.. I use it when I bulk because it's hard to get 4500 cals through clean food throughout a day lol
PVL
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yeah but more times than not its the concentrate they give you, marketing it as isolate.......so i was like forget it. lol!
4500 cals? dude that is really really easy if you are as big as you say you are dude........
add olive oil to cook in........
add butter to veggies if you are low carb like myself..........
honestly, the best way to get the cals in is by eating low carb, and lots of fruit and veggies. for example this was my dinner last night:
2 trail mix bars
1 chicken leg quarter
green beans
stew
milk
thats about 800-900 cals easy..........lol
you dont want to see what i eat after cardio for breakfast, but its something like this:
5 beef bacon or turkey bacon
4-5 eggs
2 slices toast with butter
big glass of milk
banana
vitmains
dont buy into eating every 2 hours, thats BS.........i eat when im hungry and stop when im not.........
machorox123
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PVL said:
I'm 215 with around 17% bf so I'm not that big.. Im on my way up though.. Let me rephrase.. I didn't mean I can't eat that much.. I cud eat my ass of bro..Btween classes work the gym and coaching wrestling Im lucky if I get three full meals in.. But jus finished up finals today =) as for the eating every two hours I believe it does work because most bodybuilders do it that way it's jus not very practical especially with my schedule
machorox123
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PVL said:
I'm 215 about 17%bf so I'm not that big but I'm gonna get up there.. I didn't mean that I can eat that much. I cud eat my ass off bro.. Between classes work gym and coaching wrestling Its crazy hard to get even 3 meals in there.. Jus finished up finals today though =).. As for eating every two hours I believe it does work because most bodybuilders eat like that..it's jus not very practical in everyday life like mines.. Which is why 2 or three shakes(taking no longer than a minute to shake and consume) help me feed my machine lol
bigwhiteguy29
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its tough. i usually go 4-5 days eating good big meals then 2-3 days where i lag only eat 3 times. im 6'3 242 @ 17-18 bulking right now.
PVL
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well, learn to make yourself sammiches dude, lol! i put every possible meat in my kitchen in it, so i can grab it when I dont wanna cook on the stove. also, i would not be concerned about eating a lot with your bodyfat so high, get it down to 10-12% and then bulk, your blood glucose is probably all messed up from the HIGH bodyfat. this is coming from a guy who lost 85 pounds in 2 years doing it the right way.
PVL
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your problem is the women and booze then? lol!
get yourself a good woman who can cook for you if you cant..............you will thank me in the end. and stop dating lil skinny girls, all they wanna do is eat out at fast food because they cant keep their nose clean. lol
bigwhiteguy29
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PVL
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eh, im seeing abs at 240, so things are cool brother................just keeping the ho's out of my life now and its what made me change my ways................somewhat..........lol.........still an *******..........lmao
machorox123
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PVL said:
Nah dude I don't care how I look I'm more about athletics.. Really jus wanna get stronger and packing on a little muscle would bother me lol
fightbackhxc
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BringdaPain said:
Bodybuilding . Com is a joke. Zinc is needed to maintain healthy levels of sex hormones
PVL
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all i hear are excuses as to why ur fat..............
machorox123
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PVL said:
Haha.. I look to enhance performance which yu might understand someday if yu ever became an eastern national champ.. Cuda gone a lot further if I didn't blow out my knee.. But that's jus another excuse isn't it? Lol =p