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Your highest testosterone cycle

UNX said:
I don't understand why there is injectable superdrol but not injectable hexadrone. I would love to try it.
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If there were caps without a filler, i could make it into injectable (i mean everyone could).
Maybe there is an efficient way of separating hormoje from a filler.

It is 6 chloro testosterone if i am correct, according to patric arnold it should be more potent than regular testosterone.

but oral availability is pretty much none, just as test.

as i said, i liked 6 bromo, which converts to a similar steroid, 6 bromo testosterone,
 
It all depends on the filler. You need a solvent which solves the 6-chloro/6-bromo without interacting with the filler. Of course, you'll lose some product.
For formestane caps filled with rice flour, DMSO and later precipitation with water works.
BTW, Clostebol acetate bulk power is readily available.
 
Alistair_ said:
Yes and I don’t understand this new trend of gurus going around spewing that AI’s are so toxic. I keep asking them to please tell me what is wrong with using Aromasin to keep estrogen is healthy range, as my lipids always come back good in blood work and
they never reply. They could at least specify that certain AI’s are better then others.
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These are not gurus. It’s 1- old school people that are idiots and uninformed but believe they know everything because they’ve been doing it for 10 years. Or 2- new guys that think they reinvented they wheel but actually don’t understand. The trend is that estrogen is good for growth and there’s nothing bad about being just at the end of the RANGE for estrogen it’s actually good for muscle growth. The problem is ALOT of people took this information and transformed it to : estrogen is good so no need to take AIs as long as I don’t have side effects like gyno or excessive water retention. That is a VERY dangerous false information to spread around because some people can walk around with estrogen COMPLETLY OUT of range without a single side so this whole idea of no ai until side needs to stop. And these old schools idiots need to learn and adapt with science. When you cycle you do bloodworks and take AI according to what you see. You don’t want estrogen too low and I’d rather have it on the high end of range for muscle growth but not COMPELTLY soir of range.
 
I don’t fully understand it, but estrogen and IGF1 levels definitely have an association, to a point. That is a very significant pathway through which testosterone causes anabolism, which is the big reason using bloodwork to help dial dosing is so critical even if there’s no sides - you don’t want to take more than you need, and it shouldn’t be left totally unrestricted unless it’s found levels are still acceptable as is.
 
@UNX i have to check clostebol, my raws source doesnt carry it.

Afaik, the only issue with clostebol is its very low solubility, id est sth like 25mg/ml or 50 mg/ml tops if i am correct?

6 bromo also made me feel really good, i got some strength gains (mainly in the chest and shoulders), i felt more aggressive and on top of it i got tighter while not losing bodyweight.
I even got a little bit of cap on my delts and also didnt need to run pct, at least i didnt feel the shut down. I ran 100-200mg per day orally, tapering up and tapering down.

also, it is another thing, besides hcg, that significantly increased my libido, which is weird as androgens (testosterone, masteron) dont normally increase my libido.
 
I don't get why people blast test so high it should just be used as a base, theres way better compounds for building tissue
 
diesel x said:
I don't get why people blast test so high it should just be used as a base, theres way better compounds for building tissue
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Because they think it’s safer and will build as much muscle as other compounds if they run it higher.
 
diesel x said:
I don't get why people blast test so high it should just be used as a base, theres way better compounds for building tissue
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In strength sports like powerlifting and strongman it’s more common to use high test because it’s cheap and works pretty well for strength/mg.

If someone is going to take grams of gear/day, they are probably going to take a LOT of test and probably a fat amount of nandrolone or eq for cost & tolerability reasons, plus as much tren/mast/orals as they tolerate.
 
diesel x said:
I don't get why people blast test so high it should just be used as a base, theres way better compounds for building tissue
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I just dont like the bubble face i get with test. And if i take enough ai for it to disappear then i get flat and feel like sh1t.
 
Would be nice to stack an oral with the 750mg of test I’m taking but blood pressure and resting heart rate skyrocket. I tried a small dose of LGD 3303 just to lower SHBG a bit and it made my resting heart rate go crazy. I never have BP problems otherwise.
 
Alistair_ said:
Would be nice to stack an oral with the 750mg of test I’m taking but blood pressure and resting heart rate skyrocket. I tried a small dose of LGD 3303 just to lower SHBG a bit and it made my resting heart rate go crazy. I never have BP problems otherwise.
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There might be sth to whole estrogen dht balance.

when i crashed my estrogen hard for the first time (i was on test only) i experienced crazy anxiety. I was like wtf? Couldnt explain it. I couldnt calm myself down.

heart rate was up in the 90s and bp was 140/90.

What i guess had happened is that dht skyrocketed and caused these mental symptoms.
 
@CroLifter really low or high estrogen makes me feel like $hit too.

I don’t think the reason is known for why orals jack up blood pressure even in the presence of normal estrogen levels. I’ve tried stacking some orals with lower dose test like 300mg and that was good for cutting but not adding any additional lean mass. Had better luck running test at 600+ and made some slow but quality gains over 12 weeks. Im just at that point where I’ve plateaued on high test alone I think. It’s all good I need to stop being so greedy anyway. I’m 25 solid pounds bigger then was lifting natural for over 15 years, thanks to test. So it’s been a good ride.
 
CroLifter said:
There might be sth to whole estrogen dht balance.

when i crashed my estrogen hard for the first time (i was on test only) i experienced crazy anxiety. I was like wtf? Couldnt explain it. I couldnt calm myself down.

heart rate was up in the 90s and bp was 140/90.

What i guess had happened is that dht skyrocketed and caused these mental symptoms.
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There is little that feels worse than crashed or very low e2. You feel like the world is crashing down around you and you literally cannot control any of your feelings- it's a helpless feeling. I'd much rather have high e2 and deal with the edginess and quick temper that I can at least control because I know it is coming and what it is.
 
kisaj said:
There is little that feels worse than crashed or very low e2. You feel like the world is crashing down around you and you literally cannot control any of your feelings- it's a helpless feeling. I'd much rather have high e2 and deal with the edginess and quick temper that I can at least control because I know it is coming and what it is.
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Do you think this would apply to everyone if estrogen is crashed or do you think someone could crash estrogen with none of these sides?
 
Alistair_ said:
Would be nice to stack an oral with the 750mg of test I’m taking but blood pressure and resting heart rate skyrocket. I tried a small dose of LGD 3303 just to lower SHBG a bit and it made my resting heart rate go crazy. I never have BP problems otherwise.
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You could take a blood pressure med or grab some Carditone... #polypharmacy
 
kisaj said:
There is little that feels worse than crashed or very low e2. You feel like the world is crashing down around you and you literally cannot control any of your feelings- it's a helpless feeling. I'd much rather have high e2 and deal with the edginess and quick temper that I can at least control because I know it is coming and what it is.
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In my case it started with crazy anxiety and then it progressed into lethargy where i would fall asleep during the day just like that.

But surprisingly once i would get to the gym i was fine.
 
boooosted said:
Do you think this would apply to everyone if estrogen is crashed or do you think someone could crash estrogen with none of these sides?
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I have never met anyone that crashed e2 that didn't have a similar experience. There was a time years ago when AIs were all the rage and everyone believed that lower the better and then would report how awful they felt but few attributed it to low e2 because it was supposed to be better. Myself included, and couldn't grasp why my energy sucked and I felt anxiety all the time with sweating at night. That slowly changed, but now on some boards it has gone the other way where these knuckleheads are now telling people to run up their e2 because it is better for you.
 
I pretty much figured out that with 12.5 mg aromasin 2x per week i feel good no matter the test dose, be it 100 or 500mg (i dont need it at 100 but i wont crash e2 doing that).

however i do need an ai when running 500mg. If i dont run it, i start feeling mentally "weak" and slightly depressed, a feeling of "i cant do this, not me, i simply aint cut out for this" if you know what i am saying?
 
Hyde said:
You could take a blood pressure med or grab some Carditone... #polypharmacy
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I’d rather not resort to that. Main issue I face is I have year-round allergies (hay-fever) and have to take Sudafed everyday. It doesn’t raise my blood pressure on it own but toss in an oral AAS and bam. I would first try to get by without the Sudafed, lower my caffeine intake and take some celery seed extract. I might just do that in the coming weeks. I have some DMT (Madol, Phera-Plex) but got to find a way around it killing my appetite as well.
 
Alistair_ said:
@CroLifter I meant post a few days ago that you may want to look into transdermal Hexadrone. Seems the only good way to use it.
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Actually the problem with hexadrone is a lot of compagnies sell them with the wrong isomer if you look at the products nomenclature. Which Got a shitty rate absorption and need several and several hundreds of mgs to work. This gave hexadrone a bad reputation. A couple compagnies sell real haxadarone. Their products will start with 6a- (the good isomer). This one will need much less to work and is the one that should be used.
 
Mathb33 said:
No but a few of my friends have, it’s a good viable option. I just go for harsher/more potent stuff when I use orals. Hexadrone is great during a cut thought.
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As far as i know, it is 6 chloro testosterone. It should be pretty potent if injected and used in doses comparable to straight test.
But no aromatization.

All in all, primobolan is calling me. Just looking for something nice to add to the test to be able to keep it lower. But idk. Not sure if i will be able to justify the cost when the time comes.

Invalid Link Removed <- Here it says how primo has a higher binding affinity for AR than testosterone (not anabolic potency as steroids work through more pathways than just AR binding). Interesting.

I myself think it would be wise to stack a steroid which works primarily through AR binding with the one that works through other pathways such as glucocorticoid inhibition and igf 1 sensitization.

Say dbol and nandrolone.
 
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