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YoungsterZ Epi Log! EPISTANE

according to a reliable source of mine he recommended that I stay away from any PWO supps on my first cycle just to feel out how the cycle is working. also it sounds like you're pretty sensitive to stimulants, i'd definitely stay away from c4 if it's making you feel that way bc your heart should NEVER be hurting to a point where it makes you stop your workouts. Try ON Amino Energy, works very well for my friend who is sensitive to stims. just a thought but besides that i hope you start feeling the kick soon, good luck bro.
 
SkubaSteve89 said:
nice thread, good to see you got starting pics up as well, i was 22 (last year) when i did an andromass and epistane cycle, went from 82-94kg's in that 6 week period, and i went from curling 42.5kg on the EZ bar as my max to the big bad 60kg's. Ill be using epi again as part of my cut thats coming up soon. Anyways, for preworkout you could try getting beta-alanine powder off ebay if you like the adrenaline + burning skin kick, i dont like using anything with caffeine or sugar, although nowadays i just plug in the old earphones, and fire up some metal on my ipod to get me psyched :)
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Thanx man, hope to see you follow the log. And that's awesome!..always good to hear another part of the Epi fam get good results:) as for the pre-w/o, I already have the music part down lol
 
jasonk202 said:
according to a reliable source of mine he recommended that I stay away from any PWO supps on my first cycle just to feel out how the cycle is working. also it sounds like you're pretty sensitive to stimulants, i'd definitely stay away from c4 if it's making you feel that way bc your heart should NEVER be hurting to a point where it makes you stop your workouts. Try ON Amino Energy, works very well for my friend who is sensitive to stims. just a thought but besides that i hope you start feeling the kick soon, good luck bro.
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Yeah I had the same thought, which is mainly why I wanted to run the epi without one. There's just some days though that it's nice to have that extra kick to get things going. But not in the sense of making my heart kick that's for sure!! I do know that my body can handle the stims, cause I've used several in the past for small couple week windows each. USP Labs holds my heart so far, when I used their original Jack3d..just didn't like.the "cracked out" feeling. I'm gunna up my fish oil and Hawthorn berry and try out the White Flood later today..
 
Yeah bro I'm on day 6 at 30mg and day one and two being 10mg,20mg. Honestly I dont know why ppl say it doesn't really take effect till week 3. To be honest I can see and feel a lot right now, for one insane pumps without a pre workout, another thing is my muscles feel harder when I flex even my wife noticed, I'm also leaning out pretty good and haven't changed much of my diet if anything have added more carbs through the day and protein in general, even strength is increased a little I can do more push ups, more reps/sets/weight, also i never want to leave the gym.
 
Hello and good luck with your cycle just jumped onboard.

Ok just a few things I agree with the rest about the age BUT even further agree u have done your research and it's a sold cycle so great job.

Now I have not finished reading the log but will later but I know u, know Epi is a milder PH but if I may suggest if u have not added it but pick up another liver support.

CA. Is great but not enough IMO I'd suggest Liv52 and this

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Epi is still harsh and extra protection never hurts.

Will finish the log later but good luck. This should b fun

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cokeholio said:
Yeah bro I'm on day 6 at 30mg and day one and two being 10mg,20mg. Honestly I dont know why ppl say it doesn't really take effect till week 3. To be honest I can see and feel a lot right now, for one insane pumps without a pre workout, another thing is my muscles feel harder when I flex even my wife noticed, I'm also leaning out pretty good and haven't changed much of my diet if anything have added more carbs through the day and protein in general, even strength is increased a little I can do more push ups, more reps/sets/weight, also i never want to leave the gym.
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I think everybody is different honestly, and everybody's body handles things differently. I can say without a doubt I didn't feel anything while at 30mg or on day 6. But that's not to say that I wouldn't have seen things if I stayed at 30mg! How are u already on day 6!? Lol
 
MASS MONKEY:

welcome aboard! Glad to have another AM brother here, and meet a new one. Thank you for the support. As for my liver, I know you haven't been able to get thru my log thus far so I'll just tell ya, I actually DID get Liv.52 and it will be in my hands tomorrow :) EpstaneMans log convinced me to get it HA
 
Hey RED, I am on my 5th week of epi. Now running 50mg per day. May go higher since I am bigger and taller than most. Anyways, I have noticed that I am constantly constipated. Maybe around the 3rd week. When you get to the 3rd week, let me know if u experience this side effect. I can feel my bp elevated throughout the day (getting red ears and feeling a little hot/flush). In addition to the cycle support, I got some red yeast rice to lower it.
 
wellsoci said:
Hey RED, I am on my 5th week of epi. Now running 50mg per day. May go higher since I am bigger and taller than most. Anyways, I have noticed that I am constantly constipated. Maybe around the 3rd week. When you get to the 3rd week, let me know if u experience this side effect. I can feel my bp elevated throughout the day (getting red ears and feeling a little hot/flush). In addition to the cycle support, I got some red yeast rice to lower it.
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Have you tried using a stool softener? Also Benefiber can works wonders for constipation, and its just a powder that can be mixed into any drink and it's tasteless. Give those two things a try. What kind of results are u seeing that far into the Epi?
 
I started taking mine last Sunday 10mgs. Yeah I feel alot safer with liv 52 in the mix picked it up locally so I wouldn't have to go without it only a 4 dollar difference
 
I will try the stool softener. Just seems like I am spending 5 times more on the support supps and pct..... The 2 bottles of Havoc was only $49 and everything else is adding up fast. Anyways, I am up to 230lbs in weight. I am definitely bigger. I began around 220 lbs. But I feel alittle weight gain in the stomach area. It just may be the bloating and constipation. Bench has gone up 20lbs. Overall I am stoked over the results. This is also my first PH cycle.
 
@Cokeholio: that's hella cheap bro! I ended up getting like the last one NP had online, like $15. It will definitely be worth it tho

@Welsoci: Yeah I don't think stool softener should be more than a few bucks almost anywhere. Dollar stores even carry it where I live. And I hear ya, my run is costing me about 5 bills, FRANKLINS...
 
Red9 said:
MASS MONKEY:

welcome aboard! Glad to have another AM brother here, and meet a new one. Thank you for the support. As for my liver, I know you haven't been able to get thru my log thus far so I'll just tell ya, I actually DID get Liv.52 and it will be in my hands tomorrow :) EpstaneMans log convinced me to get it HA
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lol!!! well this is good and I figured I'm come across it sooner or later when I read your log as like I said you did your research . . looking forward to the read later at work.
 
Okay guys so I asked someone who has cycle experience and actually works for a health shop and has a degree, and he helped me out. What I experienced was in fact heart palpitations. He recommendes Ubiquinol for both cycle and pct. So add that to my arsenal for supports boys
 
DAY 10:

Alrighty boys I think the effects are slowly approaching. I do know that my strength is up for sure. My deadlifts today were improved already from last time, and I felt like I could've squeezed a couple more out if my grip wasn't slipping. Chalk is gunna be necessary! Any places you guys know of that have it? Maybe it's just in my head, but I felt a little more vascularity in my chest for some reason. Again, maybe placebo lol idk...

Took half a scoop pre-workout of White Flood, didnt feel anything. Ended up taking another half, making a full scoop altogether. Not my fav preworkout I've tried, but the energy felt clean and crisp if that makes sense. Felt a little more focused.. and my Ubiquinol probably helped keep my heartbeat under control.. not sure yet. Something I didnt like about White Flood is that it doesnt pack the skin heat feeling and jitter(beta alanine I believe?)

anyways, not going to post my whole workout because its late and I'm exhausted...just going to post the "main" lifts!
-Lat pulldown- 105x10, 105x10, 135x8, 150x5
-T-bar rows w/barbell- 45x10, 45x10, 90x10, 90x10
-DEADLIFT- 175x8, 175x8, 225x8, 255x7
-Preacher Curls- 65x8, 75x8, 85x5, 90x4 ALSO WENT UP SLIGHTLY :)
-DB Incline Curls- 20x16, 20x16

AGAIN, not all of my w/o is included but gave you the gist !

Macs: cals-3250, protein-240g, carbs- 280g

Peace!
 
Red9 said:
DAY 9:

MACROS- Cals: 3,100; Protein: 239g; Carbs: 295g

As I said in one of my posts earlier today, I did bump my dose to 4 pills a day now(40mg). My chest workout today was pretty normal in terms of how I felt, but noticed I feel a little stronger on my last set of each lift...although that could have been the C4 pre-w/o I used today. I had to stop my shrugs early and go home because my heart started pulsing uncontrollably and almost hurt. Guessing it was high BP, but not positive. Will be buying a bp monitor asap to keep handy and monitor myself as needed.

Bench press- 125x10, 145x8, 165x6, 165x4, 105x14 (definitely feelin my chest pop on that lay set
DB shrugs- 55x16, 65x14, 75x10
DB decline press- 35x8, 35x8, 40x10
DB shoulder press- 25x10, 25x8, 30x8, 30x6
Barbell cable pulldown- 60x16, 80x14, 100x12, 100x10
Cable Flys- 40lb each 10x, 10x, 8x, 50lb 4x
Plate shrugs 45lb each arm- 30x, 30x
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Ask for the chalk go to any gymnastics studio they will have it dirty cheap but places that sell gym equipment also sometimes carry it

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Mass Monkey said:
Ask for the chalk go to any gymnastics studio they will have it dirty cheap but places that sell gym equipment also sometimes carry it

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Okay thanks
 
DAY 11:

Sorry it's a day late, I didn't get home from work last night until almost 1 in the morning..so there was no way I was logging ha. So this is for yesterday, day eleven.

So it was LEG DAY :-) man, maybe I am just lucky and not experiencing side effects because I don't think the epi has really hit me fully...or it truly HASN'T taken full effect yet. (which is very likely because I should still have another week before I probably really start having fun with gains). But whatever the case, my strength is rising. NOT ONLY ARE MY LIFTS UP, BUT MY CONFIDENCE IS INCREASING AS WELL.

-Leg press- 195x10, 195x10, 285x8, 335x6
-Calf press- 195x20, 195x20, 195x20
-Squats- 155x8, 155x8, 195x6, 215x3
-Seated leg curl- 70x12, 90x12
-Hip abduction machine- 30x20, 50x14 (first time using)

Keep in mind that my squats might dramatically go up, but not all because of the Epi. Earlier in my log I stated that for a couple years squats were really not part of any training of mine due to personal reasons. So I am hitting it hard on them right now!
 
Looking good...your leg routine looks similar to mine, both on heavy days and hypertrophy...you will be suprised how much strength and weight gains you will make by increasing deads and squats...ive been focusing on box quats, my legs have gotten so much thicker, just not defined which is frusterating
 
blayke88 said:
Looking good...your leg routine looks similar to mine, both on heavy days and hypertrophy...you will be suprised how much strength and weight gains you will make by increasing deads and squats...ive been focusing on box quats, my legs have gotten so much thicker, just not defined which is frusterating
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Thanks homie. Yeah I'm making sure to try and work all sides of my legs and get them strong. I still need to try the box squats
 
Ya thats good..ya on leg press i put my feet a little closer together, then squats its usually shoulder width for legs...you can also put a chair behind you when.you squat, works well...i may do an epi cycle later in the year after my current sd cycle..i love epi
 
blayke88 said:
Ya thats good..ya on leg press i put my feet a little closer together, then squats its usually shoulder width for legs...you can also put a chair behind you when.you squat, works well...i may do an epi cycle later in the year after my current sd cycle..i love epi
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I actually keep my feet planted just slightly wider than shoulder width on both lifts. Wide squats can also be really beneficial. Yeaah this is my first epi run, and I hope to run SD in the future. Time will tell.
 
blayke88 said:
Yea i used to hate squats and deads, i love em now....yea ope u got some sd before the ban, prolly expensive now
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Got four bottles :) I'd agree, they are now two of my favorite lifts as well
 
DAY 12: Again I'm a day late, but better than not at all. Work has been stupidly busy and hectic and I've been the closer 3 days in a row. Thought maybe I was getting an ear infection or getting sick but it turns out I think I just needed a real good night of sleep. Popped my 3z pills last night and passed out! Day 12 was a much needed rest day.

MACS- Cals 3,250 & Protein 230g & Carbs 350g (higher than I'd like)

Off to hit chest for day 13 !!
 
Good luck...i love hitting my chest...it has really grown lately..ive been using drop sets for flat and incline bench, may wna try it, really shocked my chest along with weighted chest dips:)
 
Just got home from the gym guys. I think it's safe to say that strength mode has been activated :D before I hit the gym, my veins looked like pipe cleaners under my skin! After I hit the first sets of my workouts, I was looking quite a bit fuller inside my shirt and definitely gave me a boost of confidence.

Also a couple updates: Erections are still strong. No acne. No extra rage which is good lol I have a bad enough temper on my own. No cramping yet.

@Cokeholio: no dryness whatsoever for me. Are you taking glucosamine and how much? I take a glucosamine msm at rec dose and preloaded it 10 days before my cycle
 
Damn I should've got it. I got orange triad which has a joint support recipe in it. It helps a lot but I think I would've been better off with gluco
 
cokeholio said:
Damn I should've got it. I got orange triad which has a joint support recipe in it. It helps a lot but I think I would've been better off with gluco
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Not too late to jump on some!
 
U prolly already put it in your log, i meant your current big 3 compound lifts ha...squat, bench, deads...i just wna follow your strength progress
 
blayke88 said:
U prolly already put it in your log, i meant your current big 3 compound lifts ha...squat, bench, deads...i just wna follow your strength progress
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I never got around to 1RM's but here's a good idea of those lifts you mentioned..

BEFORE:
Bench- 155x6
Deads- 245x5
Squats- 175x6

CURRENT OR LAST:
B- 165x6
D- 255x7
S- 195x6 & 215x3

Best info I got for ya..
 
DAY 13:

As I stated earlier, I think it's safe to say I'm finally there where I feel things are in motion. I was more than happy with the way I felt throughout my time at the gym today. Body felt great and my muscles were pumped. My lifts were definitely stronger and easier to finish off. Going to push myself really hard(but safely) now that I've got the extra boost ;)

-Pushups to warmup- 2 sets of 25
-Dual axis chest press machine warmup- 90x14, 70x12
-Bench press- 125x10, 145x8, 165x6, 175x4, 105x12
-Barbell cable pulldown- 60x14, 70x12, 80x10, 90x8
-DB Shoulder press- 25x10, 25x8, 35x8, 35x6
-DB Incline press- 30x10, 35x8, 40x8
-DB shrugs- 55x14, 65x12, 75x10
-Plate shrugs- 45x30, 45x30
-Cable flys- 40x8, 40x6, 40x6, 30x6
-Tricep OH thrust- 35x14, 40x12, 45x8
 
Hmm u may alreay do this, but add almonds throughout the day, add more whole eggs for breakfast, or at night add cottage cheese or a glass of whole milk throughout the day even before bed and mix some egg whites in the milk
 
Never thought of almonds. I throw a whole egg into my casein shake every night, sometimes even two of em. I'll grab some cottage cheese today and try that out. And I love putting egg whites in all my shakes when I can afford it. Plus I usually have whole eggs in the a.m. but lately they upset my stomach. Weird..
 
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