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supermanjow said:
Actually, 400 mg of caffeine is just beginning to get into the range that provides true performance enhancing qualities. Charles Paloquin is a huge fan of doses of caffeine in the 1g range for strength athletes prior to a competition. Levels that high have been clinically proven to increase strength by 5%. Which doesn't sound like much, but say a powerlifter is able to squat 500 lbs normally. 5% of 500 is 25 lbs! Now, at those levels you can have some negative side effects, but high doses (3-4g) of vitamin c actually counteract those. So, 400 mg isn't actually going to cause any real issues.
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All users should begin with 1 scoop.
 
supermanjow said:
Actually, 400 mg of caffeine is just beginning to get into the range that provides true performance enhancing qualities. Charles Paloquin is a huge fan of doses of caffeine in the 1g range for strength athletes prior to a competition. Levels that high have been clinically proven to increase strength by 5%. Which doesn't sound like much, but say a powerlifter is able to squat 500 lbs normally. 5% of 500 is 25 lbs! Now, at those levels you can have some negative side effects, but high doses (3-4g) of vitamin c actually counteract those. So, 400 mg isn't actually going to cause any real issues.
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Please show me a study to validate. I don't think you realize what 1 gram of caffeine can do to your body.
 
Jbeezee said:
Please show me a study to validate. I don't think you realize what 1 gram of caffeine can do to your body.
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I would never attempt that much.

500mg is pretty high....

200mg is a solid dose!
I can even get going off 125-150mg range. Depends on what you eat to help fuel your work outs as well...
 
AaronJP1 said:
I would never attempt that much.

500mg is pretty high....

200mg is a solid dose!
I can even get going off 125-150mg range. Depends on what you eat to help fuel your work outs as well...
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I've done 800 with other stuff mixed in.... Was shaking like a damn chihuahua. It lasted for hours. Wasn't my best idea. Will never do it again. And mind you I'm stim insensitive. I've taken 5-6 scoops of jack3d at a time and felt fine.
 
I used 1 scoop ConDense today and it was SOLID, ecspecially for focus. Although on leg day ill probably use 1.5 scoops! ConDense is that DEAL!
 
The pump is for real with this stuff.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
The pump is for real with this stuff.
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U thought it wasnt?
 
Jbeezee said:
Please show me a study to validate. I don't think you realize what 1 gram of caffeine can do to your body.
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This is one article written by CP on the subject. I believe that the one I'm referring to was printed in Muscular Development, but had similar statements including his own personal protocols.
 
I've personally put it to the test and can say that I was stronger at the 1g dose than normal. I can also attest to the fact that 3g of vit c makes the jitters go away very quickly.
 
supermanjow said:
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This is one article written by CP on the subject. I believe that the one I'm referring to was printed in Muscular Development, but had similar statements including his own personal protocols.
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I've read many studies on caffeine. None have talked about going up to or OVER a gram of caffeine. I've read every muscular development for the past 2 years and haven't seen anything about caffeine being abused that extremely. as a person who is insensitive to caffeine and stimulants I would not go up to a gram. That's just insane not to mention dangerous.
 
supermanjow said:
I've personally put it to the test and can say that I was stronger at the 1g dose than normal. I can also attest to the fact that 3g of vit c makes the jitters go away very quickly.
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I just think its dangerous. Personal opinion.
 
Jbeezee said:
I've read many studies on caffeine. None have talked about going up to or OVER a gram of caffeine. I've read every muscular development for the past 2 years and haven't seen anything about caffeine being abused that extremely. as a person who is insensitive to caffeine and stimulants I would not go up to a gram. That's just insane not to mention dangerous. Have you ever taken a gram of caffeine?
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Like I said in my earlier post, yes I have.

Now in the original article I read, CP mentions only doing it for contests and max effort days not all the time.

I used to work at Starbucks and it was nothing for me to consume 1.5-2g of caffeine a day and I suffered no adverse side erects except for caffeine tolerance. In fact, some of my best nattie gains were during those years.
 
That article has them at 560 mgs of caffeine. Not a gram. Id imagine a syringe packed with adrenaline directly in the heart would be more safe than 1g of caffeine.
 
superbeast668 said:
That article has them at 560 mgs of caffeine. Not a gram. Id imagine a syringe packed with adrenaline directly in the heart would be more safe than 1g of caffeine.
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While that may be true, I'm certain the article I originally read had CP stating that he personally had his strength athletes use a gram. And no, a shot of adrenaline would definitely be MUCH more detrimental.
 
superbeast668 said:
That article has them at 560 mgs of caffeine. Not a gram. Id imagine a syringe packed with adrenaline directly in the heart would be more safe than 1g of caffeine.
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It also said 8mg/kg body weight, which for me comes out to around 850 mg.
 
roblasane said:
I just heard from the wife! Condense is at the crib. It's so lonely . I'll cuddle it the second I get home .
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Good man!
 
I havnt even had it yet but it was love at first site ;-)
 
Ya bro Oregon takes awhile :-/ it will get there pimp juice
 
Airborne42 said:
Ya bro Oregon takes awhile :-/ it will get there pimp juice
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For sure, It always does. Both of the main shipping companies have the most ass backwards way of going, it always seems. I sometimes order stuff from the big supp company in Idaho and the sh1t goes to Kentucky before it gets here.
 
Randoja said:
For sure, It always does. Both of the main shipping companies have the most ass backwards way of going, it always seems. I sometimes order stuff from the big supp company in Idaho and the sh1t goes to Kentucky before it gets here.
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Ya... Seen something like that happen before...

Stop shopping @ Jokes dot com.
 
Randoja said:
For sure, It always does. Both of the main shipping companies have the most ass backwards way of going, it always seems. I sometimes order stuff from the big supp company in Idaho and the sh1t goes to Kentucky before it gets here.
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Haha ya
 
tyga tyga said:
I used 1 scoop ConDense today and it was SOLID, ecspecially for focus. Although on leg day ill probably use 1.5 scoops! ConDense is that DEAL!
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the focus is what i loe about some preworkouts, hope this one is jsut as good!, still waiting unfortunately :-(
 
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My buddy is all tucked in for a good nights sleep.
 
roblasane said:
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My buddy is all tucked in for a good nights sleep.
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Where's the wife/dog?
 
Wife is on the couch and the dog will jump up after he does his nightly patrol to make sure the evil pizza guy is no where to be found.
 
roblasane said:
Wife is on the couch and the dog will jump up after he does his nightly patrol to make sure the evil pizza guy is no where to be found.
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Good deal.
 
Invalid Link Removed here it is guys, hope everyone stops by haha i will be following everyone elses, lets make some great gains and some great logs boys!!!!..............thanks again PURUS!
 
Still waiting on a few more logs....


See a lot of y'all 1 & 1/2 scoops huh? ;)
 
Loving leg day pumps r we?
 
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