WTF is wrong with my arms?

Look up DC Training, thats his training program. I dont do DC anymore but I still carry alot of his fundamentals with me. He has ALOT of insightful information online that you can read. It'll change alot of your concepts in working out.
 
h0other said:
And the thing about the powerlifter/bodybuilder difference. A large majority of the time if the powerlifter cut down he'd blow the bodybuilder out of the water in term of thickness and size. .
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again, most powerlifters i see are naturally thick guys with slower metabolisims...i still say a good portion of them went to powerlifting as an "alternate route" sometime in thier lifting history...though they they usually wont admit it. i have known alot of them and that is my opinion... i have one friend that was a powerlifter and decided to give bodybuilding a try. so he cut down like u said... he ended up having way too much skin left over. he looked alright but nothing was that cut... and his stomach looked kinda like a sixpack with a slab of dough over it. he said "see this is why i started powerlifting in the first place." point being that if ur kinda chunky to start u might wanna try powerlifting...unless u can deal with never really being ripped. sounds harsh but i call it the way i see it

the size of the arms comments are stupid....its about proportion. arms isnt all that matters lol. its everything.... as in how well the arms sit in proportion with the shoulders/traps. huge arms with no shoulders or traps looks alien like. or whats the point of big arms if it comes with a big belly? u see?
 
again, you're an idiot. You call powerlifting an "alternative route". That's a joke. Obviously you are not masculine enough to know the rush it is to lift a huge ammount of weight in front of alot of people. Thats what powerlifters do it for. Not because they are not "genetically gifted" enough with "fast metabolisms", that's just someone who isn't even 200 pounds thinking he's a body builder. Show me one person who can bench 500 pounds than if he cut down to 8-10% body fat which I am sure you are not wouldn't weigh more than 200 pounds at your height, you cant. Being a powerlifter doesn't mean you have to be a lard ass. Look at Pudgenowski(sp), he sure as hell isn't. The skin comment is also a joke. Tell me we can fly people to the moon but we don't have cream to tighten up skin? Being 20% body fat is not obesely fat and definitely can be recovered to look firm when a person is 6-8%.

And about your second comment. Don't call MY comments stupid when you're the one who is too stupid to interprut them. Please show me where I said to just work you're arms. I am a huge advocate of heavy compound lifts as the basis of your workout program. How many guys do you know who can bench 500 pounds, squat 600 pounds, deadlift 600 pounds that post threads complaining about how they cannot get there arms to grow? NONE. Getting big doesn't involve curling 20lb DB's with picture perfect presice form contracting your Bi's at every position through the curl and breathing with the prowl of a tiger. I'd much rather see someone curling 70's with a few cheat reps at the end of there set. That's how you put on size. Muscles grow from lifting HEAVY.

Again as I have posted in previous posts, this is a matter of personal opinion. However, organutan, your opion is not something i'd consider of any relevance as it is too biased to someone who obviously thinks he is a "bodybuilder".

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again, most powerlifters i see are naturally thick guys with slower metabolisims...i still say a good portion of them went to powerlifting as an "alternate route" sometime in thier lifting history...though they they usually wont admit it. i have known alot of them and that is my opinion... i have one friend that was a powerlifter and decided to give bodybuilding a try. so he cut down like u said... he ended up having way too much skin left over. he looked alright but nothing was that cut... and his stomach looked kinda like a sixpack with a slab of dough over it. he said "see this is why i started powerlifting in the first place." point being that if ur kinda chunky to start u might wanna try powerlifting...unless u can deal with never really being ripped. sounds harsh but i call it the way i see it

the size of the arms comments are stupid....its about proportion. arms isnt all that matters lol. its everything.... as in how well the arms sit in proportion with the shoulders/traps. huge arms with no shoulders or traps looks alien like. or whats the point of big arms if it comes with a big belly? u see?
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h0other said:
again, you're an idiot. You call powerlifting an "alternative route". That's a joke. Obviously you are not masculine enough to know the rush it is to lift a huge ammount of weight in front of alot of people. Thats what powerlifters do it for. Not because they are not "genetically gifted" enough with "fast metabolisms", that's just someone who isn't even 200 pounds thinking he's a body builder. Show me one person who can bench 500 pounds than if he cut down to 8-10% body fat which I am sure you are not wouldn't weigh more than 200 pounds at your height, you cant. Being a powerlifter doesn't mean you have to be a lard ass. Look at Pudgenowski(sp), he sure as hell isn't. The skin comment is also a joke. Tell me we can fly people to the moon but we don't have cream to tighten up skin? Being 20% body fat is not obesely fat and definitely can be recovered to look firm when a person is 6-8%.

And about your second comment. Don't call MY comments stupid when you're the one who is too stupid to interprut them. Please show me where I said to just work you're arms. I am a huge advocate of heavy compound lifts as the basis of your workout program. How many guys do you know who can bench 500 pounds, squat 600 pounds, deadlift 600 pounds that post threads complaining about how they cannot get there arms to grow? NONE. Getting big doesn't involve curling 20lb DB's with picture perfect presice form contracting your Bi's at every position through the curl and breathing with the prowl of a tiger. I'd much rather see someone curling 70's with a few cheat reps at the end of there set. That's how you put on size. Muscles grow from lifting HEAVY.

Again as I have posted in previous posts, this is a matter of personal opinion. However, organutan, your opion is not something i'd consider of any relevance as it is too biased to someone who obviously thinks he is a "bodybuilder".
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no need to call me an idiot....i clearly said it was MY opinion and what I have seen. now, on the contrary...i have seen guys wo were powerlifters and built fairly well, just not cut. personally, i understand powerlifting for strongman contest, or football or sports. doing it for the "rush" u speak of....well, lets say not for me. suit yourself buddy. i'd rather look huge and cut and in proportion and get the ladys....sounds more fun to me but hey....do what u want im all for that.

so u go ahead and continue to look flabby and soft at OVER 200lbs lol, and ill keep looking huge and hard and bigger than u at UNDER 200lbs. by the way...do they have good education out there in alabama? have a nice day man
 
In grad school they sure do. And for your other point, Mr. "Can I take noxplode with my steroids", even with your steroids you are not bigger than me nor look better.
 
That education comment is the least educated comment in this whole thread too btw, I dont know if you realized this but the civil war was 150 years ago. The Alabama being a uneducated and poor state is sort of a thing of the past. However, if you ever want to come visit i'd be glad to show you around :)
 
and.. I have a beautiful lady who is intelligent and respects me more for working hard and lifting hard than shooting steroids up my ass twice a week. You're 190 pounds after taking 2 cycles rescently? Do you honestly think that is impressive to ANYONE? You're a joke and a tool. Obviously your personality and looks are not up to par so you have to resort to steroids to try to find a stupid girl who will like you because you have nice muscles, which I am sure you wont tell her how you really got them. Get a life, fool.
 
struck a nerve ehh flabby? lol. your extra 20lbs is in ur ass and belly anyway from the pic. im maybe 6-7%, arms are about 19-19.5"

btw post a pic of the gf.....if u have enough confidence to post a pic of what u just did, then a pic of the beautiful girlfreind should be just as classic. please do so i can enjoy myself
 
im just gonna chime in and say my arms are 15" and im only 5'6... and i def think my arms could use some work and also agree they are SMALL but LOOK huge... Also for the OP i found that focusing a lot on my tri's and not my bi's gave my upper arm a lil more round look to it... which is what i feel you are worried about because my arms looked almost identical to urs a month ago.
 
You've been on this forum for years NEVER posting a picture of yourself. Hard to believe from someone asking if he can take NoXplode with his Deca and Test. Yet somehow you think you have the authority to judge other peoples pictures? I'm sure everyone on here would LOVE to see someone living at contest bf with 19.5inch arms! You'd be a inspiration to all the 5'7 and under crowd on the forum. So why dont YOU post your pics up(you should have no problem since you have built the testosterone body of perfection). Then maybe I will feel like I have something to prove to someone who claims to be 25 but types and acts like he is 18.

ps-- Dont download some picture of a guy with big muscles you jerk off too off Yahoo Images, actually post one of you, that means have something in the pic to prove it is you.


orangutan said:
struck a nerve ehh flabby? lol. your extra 20lbs is in ur ass and belly anyway from the pic. im maybe 6-7%, arms are about 19-19.5"

btw post a pic of the gf.....if u have enough confidence to post a pic of what u just did, then a pic of the beautiful girlfreind should be just as classic. please do so i can enjoy myself
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I'd also like to see the 300lb bench. At 164, that is quite a feat. Thats almost double your body weight and not many can do that.
 
I think your arms looked proportioned.

Are you working your arms? Your arms will usually grow from big compounds only.

My arms plateaued really bad at 13". I did a lot of arm isolation for them and couldn't get past that. Then, I dropped arm isolation and they jumped to 15" in just over a year. I just incorporated arm drive back into my routine back in November and they are up to 16" now.

It's a general rule of thumb; however, that you put 1 inch on your arms for every 15 pounds you gain. So the way to gain arm circumference is through gaining weight.
 
wow 300lbs bench, i cant even do that and we are like the same height, 225 for deadlifts is really low considering all your other numbers, maybe work on your deadlifts and bent over barbell rows a litle more.

i say legs need work too
 
H0other, post pics before you run your mouth. You avi make you look like you have no shape. 220?...ok...?

Powerlifters and bodybuilders are different people a but not really. I think its Johnnie Jackson who actually competes in Powerlifting off season.
Some BBers like to lift heavy amounts of wieght, not worry about form, etc etc...

Powerlifters usually never worry about form to the T like BBers, no symmetry issues to fix.

This is a useless arguement.
 
GymRat7197 said:
I think your arms looked proportioned.

Are you working your arms? Your arms will usually grow from big compounds only.

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Mine never grow through other lifts besides others directed to them...sorry. I just dont know how people say that. Maybe it helps to stimulate the muscle or something, but you wont grow parts without direct desctruction and hypertrophy.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Mine never grow through other lifts besides others directed to them...sorry. I just dont know how people say that. Maybe it helps to stimulate the muscle or something, but you wont grow parts without direct desctruction and hypertrophy.
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i think arms are one of the few muscles that need a lot of isolation
 
Even if I was 120 pounds at 40% body fat i'd still run my mouth, the founding fathers of the USA gave me that right and I use it to the utmost of my ability. I have currently cut to 210 and had my bf checked Friday and it was listed at 12%. I'm waiting til I get to 8% at 200 pounds as people on this forum dont understand that the best way to build muscle is to bulk up during the offseason rather than stay lean year round.

And about the BB/PL thing. I'd love to see the terrible form of these powerlifters you talk of. I'm guessing from the way you say it they bench bouncing it off there chest and only going half way up? squatting half way down and jumping at the top? Tell me exactly how there form is so much different and supposedly WORSE in your opinion.


MentalTwitch said:
H0other, post pics before you run your mouth. You avi make you look like you have no shape. 220?...ok...?

Powerlifters and bodybuilders are different people a but not really. I think its Johnnie Jackson who actually competes in Powerlifting off season.
Some BBers like to lift heavy amounts of wieght, not worry about form, etc etc...

Powerlifters usually never worry about form to the T like BBers, no symmetry issues to fix.

This is a useless arguement.
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lol at this thread and its derailment
 
Bolt -- I dont get it either, i'm such a nice and agreeable guy!! :) hahahahaha

Rest of you f'ers - I'll put a pic up of my back as my profile pic from last week here in a minute but I dont have a camera at campus, so I will have to wait until next week when I go home to see the fam til I can supply you with new pictures of me for your viewing pleasure.
 
Actually, I'll just start a thread in a week or so with pic's. But when I do expect Rep's galore.

Mental Twitch -- How can you comment on someones pic's when the only pic I can find of you looks like it was taken inside a tanning bed with the light on? When I post that thread I expect you'll be starting one too with normal pictures?

I'm going to leave this thread alone now so it can get back to helping navy with his arms lol.
 
h0other said:
Actually, I'll just start a thread in a week or so with pic's. But when I do expect Rep's galore.

Mental Twitch -- How can you comment on someones pic's when the only pic I can find of you looks like it was taken inside a tanning bed with the light on? When I post that thread I expect you'll be starting one too with normal pictures?

I'm going to leave this thread alone now so it can get back to helping navy with his arms lol.
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NICE
 
MentalTwitch said:
Mine never grow through other lifts besides others directed to them...sorry. I just dont know how people say that. Maybe it helps to stimulate the muscle or something, but you wont grow parts without direct desctruction and hypertrophy.
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Everyone is different, but once you have your frame (in which you obviously do) direct arm work is necessary.

I broke a 13" arm plateau by not doing arm work, through. Seeing arms are overloaded in the bigger / heavy compounds.

My traps for example are massive and I never work them. Same thing with my calves, while some people have to hammer their traps and calves. I, at the moment, have to work my arms for arm growth.

But let's not forget, it's a general rule of thumb that you gain 1 inch on your arms every 15 pounds you gain, so if you're not gaining weight it isn't likely you'll be gaining inches to your arms.
 
What's nice ?

And gymrat hit the nail on the head. These arguments are ridiculous because everyone is differen Mentally, physically, genetically. The moral of this story should be to try different things and then stick with what works.
 
h0other said:
What's nice ?

And gymrat hit the nail on the head. These arguments are ridiculous because everyone is differen Mentally, physically, genetically. The moral of this story should be to try different things and then stick with what works.
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or take pieces of everybodys unique advice and try em all out and create your own out of what worked most efficient!
 
buster0371 said:
or take pieces of everybodys unique advice and try em all out and create your own out of what worked most efficient!
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That's exactly what I've done. I read up on guys that have interesting theories and principles behind their routine and diet plans. I take what information makes sense from some and add them in.

For example, I like Mark Rippetoe and some of what he says, but that "drink a gallon of milk per day" bullshit I think he was smoking some serious weed. The whole "don't do arm work, don't do more than one chest exercise" type stuff I disagree with, too.
 
GymRat7197 said:
That's exactly what I've done. I read up on guys that have interesting theories and principles behind their routine and diet plans. I take what information makes sense from some and add them in.

For example, I like Mark Rippetoe and some of what he says, but that "drink a gallon of milk per day" bullshit I think he was smoking some serious weed. The whole "don't do arm work, don't do more than one chest exercise" type stuff I disagree with, too.
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sounds like the sour diesel is getting to his head a little bit

FOR YALL THAT DONT KNOW SOUR DIESEL IS A POPULAR STRAIN OF WEED THAT BELONGS TO THE KUSH FAMILY. NOT CHRONIC!
 
I've had people tell me hundreds of times over the last couple of years that incline presses are for useless due to it being a movement that compromises anterior deltoid utilization and the pec, they don't believe you CAN target an upper pec, but I disagree.

When I look in the mirror, I see well developed chest with a flat upper chest where the line that is suppose to separate the pecs disappears directly before the upper portion, the severity of an underdeveloped chest is noted by my own posture and I've been training long enough to know it isn't necessarily an insecurity but the effectiveness of a bench press alone isn't enough to develop my whole chest. Therefore, I've avoided this and further developed the upper chest by performing incline presses.

If someone has a natural genetic outline, then sure, just work with bench presses and they'll grow, but no one is the same and different exercises help different people. So arguing over which movements are "useless" is a complete newbie discussion.
 
The last 3 weeks i have focused on a heavy compound 5x5 set up with 3 days of squats and deads in the middle. On the 300 pound bench comment about wanting a video, when i was on a 7 month cruise in the gulf a few months ago all i did was 100 pound dumbell press and hammer strength machines so i do have alot of power in my chest. Next time i do a 1rm i will try to tape it but i lift on base and i dont know if they allow it. I think i could get up more cause i did get up 285 3 times clean with no bounce off. On the 225 dead lifts, i never done them until i started this run. Now im getting up 285 5x4 and 315 on the last one. Ive only done them for 3 weeks so it should go up in a month or so.
 
Navyrigger said:
The last 3 weeks i have focused on a heavy compound 5x5 set up with 3 days of squats and deads in the middle. On the 300 pound bench comment about wanting a video, when i was on a 7 month cruise in the gulf a few months ago all i did was 100 pound dumbell press and hammer strength machines so i do have alot of power in my chest. Next time i do a 1rm i will try to tape it but i lift on base and i dont know if they allow it. I think i could get up more cause i did get up 285 3 times clean with no bounce off. On the 225 dead lifts, i never done them until i started this run. Now im getting up 285 5x4 and 315 on the last one. Ive only done them for 3 weeks so it should go up in a month or so.
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RIGHT RIGHT!
 
check branch's form out lol...hes a bodybuilder right? watch these vids theyre like my motivation..

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your right me and you have very similar builds, same height, same weight. except you do a lot more weight than me. but my arms look way bigger than yours. your strength definately is a notch above mine. so with that being said, your arms must be underdeveloped because I dont even work mine out and they are bigger than yours.
 
buster0371 said:
your right me and you have very similar builds, same height, same weight. except you do a lot more weight than me. but my arms look way bigger than yours. your strength definately is a notch above mine. so with that being said, your arms must be underdeveloped because I dont even work mine out and they are bigger than yours.
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Not necessarily, if you and I are the same height and weight it doesn't really mean we will be the same size exactly in measurements, simply due to frame, genetics, etc.

I have a cousin that is 6'1" and weighs about 170, people swear up and down he is bigger than me just due to his natural genetic build and frame, I'm 5'7" and 15 pounds heavier than he is and still look smaller, I can out bench him by about 150 pounds too.

The moral is different people will look different at different sizes.
 
5 years ago when i started to play around with lifting i was 130 with a bit of a gut. That must have something to do with it to.
 
GymRat7197 said:
Not necessarily, if you and I are the same height and weight it doesn't really mean we will be the same size exactly in measurements, simply due to frame, genetics, etc.

I have a cousin that is 6'1" and weighs about 170, people swear up and down he is bigger than me just due to his natural genetic build and frame, I'm 5'7" and 15 pounds heavier than he is and still look smaller, I can out bench him by about 150 pounds too.

The moral is different people will look different at different sizes.
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very true, but if we are the same height, same weight, what is left? muscular size? frame size? you can tell my comparing his and my pictures that my muscles are a lot bigger, but considering we are the same weight his frame is probably a little bigger. but his strength numbers are soo much greater than mine. either hes inflating his numbers, or i dunno. maybe hes super androgenic or something
 
GymRat7197 said:
Not necessarily, if you and I are the same height and weight it doesn't really mean we will be the same size exactly in measurements, simply due to frame, genetics, etc.

I have a cousin that is 6'1" and weighs about 170, people swear up and down he is bigger than me just due to his natural genetic build and frame, I'm 5'7" and 15 pounds heavier than he is and still look smaller, I can out bench him by about 150 pounds too.

The moral is different people will look different at different sizes.
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yes ive noticed this too... alot of the time it has to do with braud shoulders ive noticed. i also noticed that clothes play quite a part, sounds stupid but it does.
 
buster0371 said:
very true, but if we are the same height, same weight, what is left? muscular size? frame size? you can tell my comparing his and my pictures that my muscles are a lot bigger, but considering we are the same weight his frame is probably a little bigger. but his strength numbers are soo much greater than mine. either hes inflating his numbers, or i dunno. maybe hes super androgenic or something
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The simple approach is acknowledging that we all look different at different sizes. For example, if I look up to a guy that is 5'7" 160 pounds, if I'm 160 pounds and the same bodyfat% it's less likely that I'll look like him than I will look like him. Simply due to genetics, he may just be a genetically bigger guy.
 
No BS on the numbers bro. Why would i do that if im asking for help with my slacking areas?

Buster how many times can you rep 225 on the flat bench and incline???
 
GymRat7197 said:
The simple approach is acknowledging that we all look different at different sizes. For example, if I look up to a guy that is 5'7" 160 pounds, if I'm 160 pounds and the same bodyfat% it's less likely that I'll look like him than I will look like him. Simply due to genetics, he may just be a genetically bigger guy.
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thats interesting. but ive never looked up to a guy that was the same height and less weight....i think that might be due to body dismorphia. u see urself as smaller because of ur angle of view... like when u look down at ur arms, they look smaller than if ur looking at someone elses from the side. but its just illusion
 
orangutan said:
thats interesting. but ive never looked up to a guy that was the same height and less weight....i think that might be due to body dismorphia. u see urself as smaller because of ur angle of view... like when u look down at ur arms, they look smaller than if ur looking at someone elses from the side. but its just illusion
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You bring up a good point, your arms always do look smaller at the angle, then you see them in the mirror and/or in pictures and the appearance is a bit more significant.

Navy I'm about the same size as you and Buster (in lean body weight atleast) and roughly close to the same strength, I can bench 225 for 5 reps on a good day for flat bench, probably couldn't for a single on incline.
 
GymRat7197 said:
You bring up a good point, your arms always do look smaller at the angle, then you see them in the mirror and/or in pictures and the appearance is a bit more significant.

Navy I'm about the same size as you and Buster (in lean body weight atleast) and roughly close to the same strength, I can bench 225 for 5 reps on a good day for flat bench, probably couldn't for a single on incline.
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mines probably exactly the same. i was repping 225 6x on flat, never tried for incline but i got 185 up 6x on incline
 
I had 225 x 7 when I weighed 204; however, I did a slight cut to reduce the bodyfat and now I usually do 4 reps with 225 (when I include 225) onto my first set.

It's good having guys your size/strength around, I hate joining a forum and being an outcast. Everyone is 6'3" and weigh +250.
 
buster0371 said:
i guess this goes to show that strength is not the same as muscle
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Nope, strength and size can very much be separated, usually by diet. When someone is bigger than someone whom is stronger (if they are the same height and weight) then it's usually a sign they've held a better diet, have better genetics, have a better frame, trained more consistently.

If there wasn't a way to separate size and strength, then there wouldn't be two types of hypertrophy - myofibrillar hypertrophy (strength) and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy (size).
 
H0other, you took my words and mis-used them. I said most often dont care about form. Like GOOD isolated curls rather than body bending big shot ones. Its a different type of mentality and lifting experience.

I think it was funny how you say you get to say what you want blah blah blah its your right, but tell others their opinion is useless, they're dumb, etc etc....

You think youre a bigshot and **** but really you seem to be an ignorant prick. to say you'd be 140lbs at 20%+ or whatever just shows you always will think youre the man, even though your not.

I agree with Gymrat that it can help to go to focus on compound movements to help etc etc, and people are different so you do havbe to take your time to find what works for you.

Ill reserve my further comments till i see the bum whos running his mouth and decide wether or not he even knows what he's talking about. From what i hear/read, you dont look like it.
 
I know i'm not the man, I commend people who are bigger/stronger/smarter than me. However, that is not you. If you read my comments in this thread instead than getting mad about me saying your picture looks like it was taken inside a tanning bed(which it does, and I got rep's for mentioning by multiple people) then you would see that i've agreed with many people in this thread and it has came together to the conclusion that different things work for different people.

Show me what shows that I dont know what i'm talking about :).. I'd love to see it. I know I dont know everything and still learn EVERY DAY whether it be from people in my gym who I respect or people on here who have things I can learn from. Yes, I am VERY opinionated. Yes, I am sure it does piss people off(sorry orangutan, but glad we straightened it out). But by me being a pain in the ass it helps me and other people learn and also livens things up. I hope you are not taking the things said on this forum that serious, I know i'm not.
 
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