Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

Gutterpump said:
GNC is horrible. You have to buy into their "gold membership" just to get standard pricing on sub-standard products!! They are one chain I'd love to see go down.
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I work at a smaller nutrition store and a lot of the customers that come in tell us how we're more knowledgeable then GNC and have better product. And a lot cheaper lol
 
bhawks23 said:
The lemon meringue sucks. Have you tried the chocolate for trutein? It's pretty damn good, and optimum is **** man it's a waste of money.
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Doesn't ON test really high for purity? It was over 90% in the class action papers in believe
 
Gutterpump said:
GNC is horrible. You have to buy into their "gold membership" just to get standard pricing on sub-standard products!! They are one chain I'd love to see go down.
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Oh no, the store that has to pay for a brick and mortar location as well as warehousing and distribution is more expensive than online stores that don't have to pay for storefront space and use colo warehousing or forwarding distribution through their wholesaler!

How shocking and horrible of them! They're so greedy, what with their astoundingly high 8.6% profit margins, literal scum of the earth!
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here is a list of some proteins that have been tested

it won't let me post link cause i don't have 1000 posts (idk wtf is up with that bs) just took two (dots) out



www labdoor com/rankings/protein
 
While I know its poor business ethics but I want to play devils advocate here.

If x company spikes a product but it is constantly on bogo, since I know its spiked I could double my scoops and still save money while getting the same protein amount (but obviously while using more protein powder). Some spiked proteins would only need an extra half scoop to make up the shortfall yet the price alone could easily justify that.

Also, a LOT of companies use deceitful tactics or other market manipulation techniques (or buy parts at slave rate prices). Many massive supermarkets undercut small suppliers and force them to lower prices far below what they can live off. Not buying from a company with poor business ethics could mean you don't buy from anyone ever


Is this a feasible solution? ;)
 
Customer complains about creatine and amino acids "spiking" their protein tub; posts outrage on forum; buys "premium" protein; buys many tubs of another product containing glutamine and creatine; Internet laughs
 
De__eB said:
Oh no, the store that has to pay for a brick and mortar location as well as warehousing and distribution is more expensive than online stores that don't have to pay for storefront space and use colo warehousing or forwarding distribution through their wholesaler!

How shocking and horrible of them! They're so greedy, what with their astoundingly high 8.6% profit margins, literal scum of the earth!
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Their products are crap and overpriced compared to all other chains. Try shopping at Vitamin Shoppe, huge difference. GNC brand products are crap, everyone knows this.

And GNC owns Muscle Milk, the most horrible protein powder around which also happened to give me massive gut pain for days after using it once. Yeah I'd say they are pretty horrible.

I shop at physical storefronts, don't give me this "brick and mortar / warehousing" nonsense.
 
Gutterpump said:
Their products are crap and overpriced compared to all other chains. Try shopping at Vitamin Shoppe, huge difference. GNC brand products are crap, everyone knows this.

And GNC owns Muscle Milk, the most horrible protein powder around which also happened to give me massive gut pain for days after using it once. Yeah I'd say they are pretty horrible.

I shop at physical storefronts, don't give me this "brick and mortar / warehousing" nonsense.
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Hormel owns Cytosport AKA MuscleMulk, not GNC
 
jamesm11 said:
Doesn't ON test really high for purity? It was over 90% in the class action papers in believe
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I believe ON is good quality. The poster was likely just talking about taste. Seems like half the people in here are more worried about taste and price versus honesty and quality.

Honestly what really really gets me about 80% of the supplement companies in the bodybuilding industry are the straight out lies in their marketing, aimed at taking advantage of noobs and the casual lifter. "400% MORE ANABOLIC VERSION OF OUR LEAN MASS PROMOTING SKIN BURSTING PUMP INDUCING NONSENSE"
It's all lies.
 
De__eB said:
Oh no, the store that has to pay for a brick and mortar location as well as warehousing and distribution is more expensive than online stores that don't have to pay for storefront space and use colo warehousing or forwarding distribution through their wholesaler!

How shocking and horrible of them! They're so greedy, what with their astoundingly high 8.6% profit margins, literal scum of the earth!
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I work at a brick and mortar store that pays for a warehouse and distribution and a website just like GNC and we're way cheaper.
 
Gutterpump said:
I believe ON is good quality. The poster was likely just talking about taste. Seems like half the people in here are more worried about taste and price versus honesty and quality.

Honestly what really really gets me about 80% of the supplement companies in the bodybuilding industry are the straight out lies in their marketing, aimed at taking advantage of noobs and the casual lifter. "400% MORE ANABOLIC VERSION OF OUR LEAN MASS PROMOTING SKIN BURSTING PUMP INDUCING NONSENSE"
It's all lies.
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I wasn't talking about taste. I was talking about ON amino spiking their protein so you're getting less protein then what they're telling you.
 
bhawks23 said:
I wasn't talking about taste. I was talking about ON amino spiking their protein so you're getting less protein then what they're telling you.
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I think as a starting point, I might start up a blog listing all the companies that do this, alongside copies of lab reports. Good for the consumer and a good start to get action on the companies too. The more info out there, the better for stopping this kind of practice.
 
bhawks23 said:
I wasn't talking about taste. I was talking about ON amino spiking their protein so you're getting less protein then what they're telling you.
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ON is owned by a dairy company and uses the same protein ingredients that they sell to half the industry in their protein products
 
There's also a group of supplement companies who hire "undercover reps" to go bad mouthing their competition and do whatever it takes to throw their competition under the bus, without bringing attention to themselves. These people need to be called out too.
 
Man you still whining about your stomach ache, now you know it does not work for you. People with gluten allergies stay away from wheat they don't keep telling everyone else not 2 eat it.
 
mase1 said:
Man you still whining about your stomach ache, now you know it does not work for you. People with gluten allergies stay away from wheat they don't keep telling everyone else not 2 eat it.
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Not quite, I'm "whining" about the bodybuilding supplement industry being the shadiest bunch of liars and criminals around, and would like to do whatever's in my power to fix it / improve the situation. I'm annoyed beyond belief at the marketing behind it, the shady tactics, lack of quality, everything to be honest. It needs far tighter regulation and the only way that will happen is by grass roots movements, petitioning local politicians to make a change; whatever possible. Petitions work. Consumers don't have to put up with all this nonsense and bull$hit in this industry.

My initial post was about my pain, sure, but this thread is quite longer than a single post.
 
bhawks23 said:
I work at a brick and mortar store that pays for a warehouse and distribution and a website just like GNC and we're way cheaper.
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How large is that chain of stores?
 
As far as a huge amount of regulation the laws are all in place as is. They simply need to be enforced. There are companies that are playing by the rules. If people think that BS is not rampant in almost all industries they would be mistaken.
 
"Knowledgable salespeople, way smarter than gnc"

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A month and a half ago you thought casein and whey werent milk proteins.

The latest product review video on your stores facebook page is for a detox product.

Based on my 2 minute snap judgement, you havent quite surpassed the gnc high water mark of supplement knowledge.
 
De__eB said:
"Knowledgable salespeople, way smarter than gnc"

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A month and a half ago you thought casein and whey werent milk proteins.

The latest product review video on your stores facebook page is for a detox product.

Based on my 2 minute snap judgement, you havent quite surpassed the gnc high water mark of supplement knowledge.
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That's when I personally started and found that my source was wrong on the sources and I also admitted I was wrong. There's a detox review because we sell more then sports nutrition (Protein, Pre workout etc.) we also sell multi vitamins, detox, heart liver and eye health.

It's kind of hard to look at our entire facebook page when you're sipping on your GNC brand protein guy
 
bhawks23 said:
That's when I personally started and found that my source was wrong on the sources and I also admitted I was wrong. There's a detox review because we sell more then sports nutrition (Protein, Pre workout etc.) we also sell multi vitamins, detox, heart liver and eye health.

It's kind of hard to look at our entire facebook page when you're sipping on your GNC brand protein guy
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If anybody at your store thinks there is any validity to detox products whatsoever, they aren't knowledgable.

I don't use any protein product with regularity, I enjoy cooking and I enjoy food.
 
De__eB said:
If anybody at your store thinks there is any validity to detox products whatsoever, they aren't knowledgable.

I don't use any protein product with regularity, I enjoy cooking and I enjoy food.
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I just got an infraction from talking about my job so I'm not gonna continue this because I don't want to be banned lol
 
De__eB said:
Modeditreadtherules, i was actually surprised your link lasted as long as it did, admin is slacking with that 2 minute response time
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Its modeditreviewtherules.


Review seems nicer.
 
Gutterpump said:
I am certain you are very correct, but I'm pretty passionate about my lifting, health, and this industry.

I also have the means to help. I'm a web / digital designer by trade and work in marketing. I've been around this industry for about 10 years now and would love to contribute back to it anyway I can, and improve things in any way I can, as well as to motivate others. This is my forte.

I'm not affiliated with any supplement company btw, so there is no hidden agenda here. I'm just passionate as I was saying. There's nothing in it for me.

Stay tuned though. I'll be creating a website fairly soon to call out all shady companies, and to boost/push the companies that play by the rules, are honest, and release top quality products. I'm all about helping the good guys.
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Good luck with your getting sued goals in 2015 and beyond.
 
Gutterpump said:
I am certain you are very correct, but I'm pretty passionate about my lifting, health, and this industry.

I also have the means to help. I'm a web / digital designer by trade and work in marketing. I've been around this industry for about 10 years now and would love to contribute back to it anyway I can, and improve things in any way I can, as well as to motivate others. This is my forte.

I'm not affiliated with any supplement company btw, so there is no hidden agenda here. I'm just passionate as I was saying. There's nothing in it for me.

Stay tuned though. I'll be creating a website fairly soon to call out all shady companies, and to boost/push the companies that play by the rules, are honest, and release top quality products. I'm all about helping the good guys.
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I can't wait to take a look at that website! It sounds awesome
 
Gutterpump said:
Any reason in particular why you're being a dick?
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I'm not being a dick, I have personal experience with slander/libel issues as a result of true statements I've made on forums and elsewhete about multiple brands.

I've got a good lawyer, some other people who decided to crusade against the industry havent been so lucky.
 
The same kind of *******s that spike their products with illegal ingredents are the same type that will tie you up in court for talking about it.

I suggest looking into syntrax vs. Bodybuilding.com + john does for a great example of human scum of the earth derek cornelius in action
 
Gutterpump said:
There will be no slander involved. I will only release information based on facts. Factual information is not libel/slander. I also have a law firm on my side, but anyhow, sounds like you're upset that I want to stand up for honest companies and share the truth about the others. You sound like a stand-up guy.
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It doesn't matter if you actually slander them. Can you afford to mount a legal defense?

Your posts in this very thread satisfy malice and intent to damage.

You're already halfway to losing.
 
De__eB said:
The same kind of *******s that spike their products with illegal ingredents are the same type that will tie you up in court for talking about it.

I suggest looking into syntrax vs. Bodybuilding.com + john does for a great example of human scum of the earth derek cornelius in action
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If I talk about it, it would only be after having multiple trusted labs test their product, and will be shared with the approval of my lawyer(s).

If I go that route, guaranteed my results will be going to the FDA / Attorney General before going online.
 
bhawks23 said:
I just got an infraction from talking about my job so I'm not gonna continue this because I don't want to be banned lol
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U can talk abt ur job but u cant post links to retailers or say like "get it at blabla" since you guys dont have a line or store that sponsors the board. Thats source posting. Easy mistake. I got 2, years ago
 
Ill tell yall right now...the cost id have to pay to make and being a 80% whey protein by vol (which is high by todays standards) would end up costing the consumer like $40-50 for 2 lbs. I dnt know how people think they can get 5lbs or quality whey for $55. Now most of these proteins are only 65% by vol claim but im not shocked spiking is going on. Its millions 2 b made and people gonna make it
 
De__eB said:
It doesn't matter if you actually slander them. Can you afford to mount a legal defense?

Your posts in this very thread satisfy malice and intent to damage.

You're already halfway to losing.
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I have a lawyer at my dispense. Why are you so concerned? Most people would appreciate this service unless they have something to lose.

Intent to what? Serve the truth? You're making me laugh over here.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Ill tell yall right now...the cost id have to pay to make and being a 80% whey protein by vol (which is high by todays standards) would end up costing the consumer like $40-50 for 2 lbs. I dnt know how people think they can get 5lbs or quality whey for $55. Now most of these proteins are only 65% by vol claim but im not shocked spiking is going on. Its millions 2 b made and people gonna make it
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Why be dishonest about it though? Why lie on labels? This is against the law.

Sell cheap product with correct labels for those who can't afford higher quality, but don't lie about it and trick consumers.... Not you personally, but just saying in general.
 
Gutterpump said:
I have a lawyer at my dispense. Why are you so concerned? Most people would appreciate this service unless they have something to lose.

Intent to what? Serve the truth? You're making me laugh over here.
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Yes De__eB is secretly CEO of the muscle milk company.

If you think its as simple as slating a company online and thinking they wont retaliate with all the money they have, your best bet is to see a bankruptcy lawyer as well.

Its for your safety hes speaking out, but by all means. Best look into chain of custody and remove posts that seek intent of causing deflamation before you proceed.

Its not a bad idea in theory - but reality is ruthless and people wont just sit tight while you slander them. Expect them to fight back - even if you're right, theyd counter sue or whatever just to keep you in court and drain all your money
 
Gutterpump said:
Why be dishonest about it though? Why lie on labels? This is against the law.

Sell cheap product with correct labels for those who can't afford higher quality, but don't lie about it and trick consumers.... Not you personally, but just saying in general.
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Yeah i know bc all that will happen is they get a letter. What someone w some $$$ should do is start a non-profit that purchases random products and have them tested. Not 4 nitrogen but actually random protein fractions. Then if they off by over 10% immediately pull 10 more random orders/samples. And test them....i dnt have the money 2 start that consumer group. Also consumers would never donate to the cause. Some would but not enough.
 
anthonyespo said:
they can sue him and win for him posting lab results?
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Youd need an airtight case or a very good lawyer or better yet both to take them down. A slip up with how samples are handled could see it going very wrong lol
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Ill tell yall right now...the cost id have to pay to make and being a 80% whey protein by vol (which is high by todays standards) would end up costing the consumer like $40-50 for 2 lbs. I dnt know how people think they can get 5lbs or quality whey for $55. Now most of these proteins are only 65% by vol claim but im not shocked spiking is going on. Its millions 2 b made and people gonna make it
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im either not understanding your post at all, or its entirely inaccurate. the way i read that after my nap was that a good quality whey concentrate would cost over 20 dollars per pound which is an insane rip off.
 
Gutterpump said:
You make a good point. My significant other is a lawyer with extensive experience in litigation, and my fees are nil. But yes I clearly need to do a lot of research before moving forward with anything, as stated before.

For now I can at least get the website started on a private, secure server, and just push the companies that are tried and true. If people come together with me and provide lab results to me, or if I do my own research, these results will be privately shared with the FDA.
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Just precautionary thats all. Best ensure you have your bases covered is all :)
 
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