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whiskers said:
Not to rain on the parade, but you are not an official spokesperson for Christianity. You my only take the peaceful passages as you dish up, but there are violent ones.

I'd say when something as big as the crusades takes hold, it is the Official christian stance, at least for the time. I think if the Catholic Church still had power, the way it did, we'd still be in a mess.

"There was a time when everyone believed in God and the Church ruled... it was called the Dark Ages.
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Where in the bible does it talk about the crusades? There is no official Christian stance except what Jesus preached, and he didn't preach about the crusades.
 
dsade said:
WHoa...so you are saying that the bible is not the true word of god?

Remember, this is an infallible perfect being we are talking about - doing everything perfectly the very first time (no such thing as, say, repenting for flooding the world, etc.)

If the old testament is to be disgarded, how do you put any stake in any of it?
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I don't disregard it, but there is no salvation in it.
 
Tyler1 said:
I don't disregard it, but there is no salvation in it.
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So you only give truth to a strictly utilitarian, predefined small subset of a supposedly divinely authored book of "truth", and the rest is either incorrect or irrelevant?

By what criteria do you judge this?
 
Tyler1 said:
I don't disregard it, but there is no salvation in it.
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how do you know there is salvation in your book?did you speak to god. or was it your pastor who did that? or do you take the word of primitives who were converted by peter to believe in a religion COMPLETELY ripped off from just about every religion that came before it from pagans who formerly believed in many idols opposed to this single one?
 
Tyler1 said:
Where in the bible does it talk about the crusades? There is no official Christian stance except what Jesus preached, and he didn't preach about the crusades.
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I'm saying if you were alive at the time, you would be a minority and they would assert that you are not a true Christian


And what jesus preached, apparently and obviously, can be taken a lot of ways, which is why there are so many Christian sects
 
whiskers said:
Not to rain on the parade, but you are not an official spokesperson for Christianity. You my only take the peaceful passages as you dish up, but there are violent ones.

I'd say when something as big as the crusades takes hold, it is the Official christian stance, at least for the time. I think if the Catholic Church still had power, the way it did, we'd still be in a mess.

"There was a time when everyone believed in God and the Church ruled... it was called the Dark Ages.
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Who is the offical spokesperson for Christians?
 
here is what jesus preached

luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

matt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

matt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

matt 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


there are more, but im quoting your great christ...
 
whiskers said:
I'm saying if you were alive at the time, you would be a minority and they would assert that you are not a true Christian


And what jesus preached, apparently and obviously, can be taken a lot of ways, which is why there are so many Christian sects
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I think organisms change through time by natural selection, and the world is very old. There are a fewe people who might say that now about me. That's fine with me also.

There a lot of different sects, but there is some core beliefs we share.
 
Necroticism said:
here is what jesus preached

luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

matt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

matt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

matt 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


there are more, but im quoting your great christ...
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You are quoting him. The common response is you're taking the quotes out of context... but look at what we are doing right now. I would consider you guy's my brothers, and what he preached has set us against one another by what we believe.

He is talking about Jewish peopel and Christians if I remeber right. But it can be taken into today's world, if I don't live in sins grasp, other peopel are going to look at me as a judge to what they're doing including my brother and sister. I don't judge but i do know life changes when you turn your back on sin.

One of his greatest sommands is to love on another.
 
Tyler1 said:
I think organisms change through time by natural selection, and the world is very old. There are a fewe people who might say that now about me. That's fine with me also.

There a lot of different sects, but there is some core beliefs we share.
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shouldnt a true religion be constant?
 
Necroticism said:
here is what jesus preached

luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

matt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

matt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

matt 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


there are more, but im quoting your great christ...
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He isn't telling us to hate anyone, but to hate the sin in us.

I love life, and my family, and I'd call myself a disciple.
 
Tyler1 said:
You are quoting him. The common response is you're taking the quotes out of context... but look at what we are doing right now. I would consider you guy's my brothers, and what he preached has set us against one another by what we believe.
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Religion separates us more than anything else I can think of.


"Religion, it has given people hope in a world torn apart by Religion."
~Jon Stewart


The Atonement means "At-one-ment" ...or at least so I've heard. Which is why that war/love movie was titled that
 
Tyler1 said:
He isn't telling us to hate anyone, but to hate the sin in us.

I love life, and my family, and I'd call myself a disciple.
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so hes not saying what he is clearly saying? i dont get it. elaborate on that. but you see there that he promotes war.
 
Tyler1 said:
He isn't telling us to hate anyone, but to hate the sin in us.

I love life, and my family, and I'd call myself a disciple.
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What is sin, and where would I find the definition of everything that is a sin (you know, disregarding the whole old testament and all) ?
 
whiskers said:
Religion separates us more than anything else I can think of.


"Religion, it has given people hope in a world torn apart by Religion."
~Jon Stewart


The Atonement means "At-one-ment" ...or at least so I've heard. Which is why that war/love movie was titled that
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Religion does seperate us, and it drives people war. But it keeps me (or stopped me) from going to war within myself, and with my neighbor. Even though my neighbor does piss me off every once in a while.
 
dsade said:
What is sin, and where would I find the definition of everything that is a sin (you know, disregarding the whole old testament and all) ?
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I bet you could walk through the day and point out to me what sin is.

And I'm not judging any of you guy's... I'm just sharing what I think just like you fella's are, no hard feelings.
 
Tyler1 said:
You have to have faith there is no God...you don't know for sure.

Just like I have faith there is a God, I can't prove it to anybody, they have to experience it in their lives.

I used to flip flop back and forth...how was it created, why, how come there is thingd in the Old Test. that make no sense to me,,,etc ( the same stuf we all look at). But I kept searching and now I just know, it makes sense to me, I can;t explain everything and the human mind can't, we are creatures of creation and feel the need to explain everything in terms of creation.

One thing that really changed for me, when I gave my life to the Lord, I felt like I took a breath inside my chest that I'd been holding for a long time...it also fell like something broke in there also, it hard to explain, but it did, and now I just know.
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Great testimony.
 
dsade said:
What is sin, and where would I find the definition of everything that is a sin (you know, disregarding the whole old testament and all) ?
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Sin = Transgression against God's law

Webster's 1828

SIN, n.


1. The voluntary departure of a moral agent from a known rule of rectitude or duty, prescribed by God; any voluntary transgression of the divine law, or violation of a divine command; a wicked act; iniquity. Sin is either a positive act in which a known divine law is violated, or it is the voluntary neglect to obey a positive divine command, or a rule of duty clearly implied in such command. Sin comprehends not action only, but neglect of known duty, all evil thoughts purposes, words and desires, whatever is contrary to God's commands or law. 1 John 3. Matt. 15. James 4. Sinner neither enjoy the pleasures of nor the peace of piety. Among divines, sin is original or actual. Actual sin, above defined, is the act of a moral agent in violating a known rule of duty. Original sin, as generally understood, is native depravity of heart to the divine will, that corruption of nature of deterioration of the moral character of man, which is supposed to be the effect of Adam's apostasy; and which manifests itself in moral agents by positive act of disobedience to the divine will, or by the voluntary neglect to comply with the express commands of God, which require that we should love God with all the heart and soul and strength and mind, and our neighbor as ourselves. This native depravity or alienation of affections from God and his law, is supposed to be what the apostle calls the carnal mind or mindedness, which is enmity against God, and is therefore denominated sin or sinfulness. Unpardonable sin, or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is supposed to be a malicious and obstinate rejection of Christ and the gospel plan of salvation, or a contemptuous resistance made to the influences and convictions of the Holy Spirit. Matt.12.

2. A sin-offering; an offering made to atone for sin. He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin. 2 Cor 5.

3. A man enormously wicked. [Not in use.]

4. Sin differs from crime, not in nature, but in application. That which is a crime against society, is sin against God.
 
dsade said:
So you only give truth to a strictly utilitarian, predefined small subset of a supposedly divinely authored book of "truth", and the rest is either incorrect or irrelevant?

By what criteria do you judge this?
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I judge it by what Jesus taught.
 
Necroticism said:
could you elaborate? you say he is saying one thing, but it is there written where he said something else. either he means what he says here, or he is a hypocrite.
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I'm having trouble tying the scripture you quoted to anything in particular you want me to elaborate on, what I could I thought I elaborated above.

He is talking about what Christianity is going to do Jewish families at the time if I remember right.

And it does pertain to today's world also.
 
where he states that in order to be his desciple, or to receive eternal life you must hate your family and yourself. how can he say that there, but then mean the complete opposite?
 
Necroticism said:
how do you know there is salvation in your book?did you speak to god. or was it your pastor who did that? or do you take the word of primitives who were converted by peter to believe in a religion COMPLETELY ripped off from just about every religion that came before it from pagans who formerly believed in many idols opposed to this single one?
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Well I know there is salvation...from the book, and from God who speaks to me in different ways, and I'm more than sure he speaks to my pastor also, and I guess from the word of the primitives if oyu consider Paul who used to be Saul a primitive, or even the great converter Peter, who was the last to speak to Jesus on earth if I remeber reading it correctly.

If I'm wriong here somebody let me know:
Peter denied Jesus 3 times, and his story is an unbeleivable example of forgivness. Jesus asked him if he loved him 3 times on the beach before he ascended for the last time. It hurt Peter, but in my opinion it was the last time Peter said it that he beleived he was forgiven. It's the final step in your walk, when you admitt that you are forgiven, later in life when you are tempted or the old you starts to rise again, you can relax in Jesus grace, and it fills you with strength.

Do you think Jesus completely ripped off pagan religions?
 
Necroticism said:
where he states that in order to be his desciple, or to receive eternal life you must hate your family and yourself. how can he say that there, but then mean the complete opposite?
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He's talking about hating the sinful nature.
He doesn't want you to hate anybody.
 
The reason why there is paganism in Christianity is because Constantine the 1st Roman emperor adopted pagan rituals into the church to keep the pagans happy. Look at the history of Easter and Christmas, full of paganism.
 
Rick28 said:
Sin = Transgression against God's law

Webster's 1828

SIN, n.


1. The voluntary departure of a moral agent from a known rule of rectitude or duty, prescribed by God; any voluntary transgression of the divine law, or violation of a divine command; a wicked act; iniquity. Sin is either a positive act in which a known divine law is violated, or it is the voluntary neglect to obey a positive divine command, or a rule of duty clearly implied in such command. Sin comprehends not action only, but neglect of known duty, all evil thoughts purposes, words and desires, whatever is contrary to God's commands or law. 1 John 3. Matt. 15. James 4. Sinner neither enjoy the pleasures of nor the peace of piety. Among divines, sin is original or actual. Actual sin, above defined, is the act of a moral agent in violating a known rule of duty. Original sin, as generally understood, is native depravity of heart to the divine will, that corruption of nature of deterioration of the moral character of man, which is supposed to be the effect of Adam's apostasy; and which manifests itself in moral agents by positive act of disobedience to the divine will, or by the voluntary neglect to comply with the express commands of God, which require that we should love God with all the heart and soul and strength and mind, and our neighbor as ourselves. This native depravity or alienation of affections from God and his law, is supposed to be what the apostle calls the carnal mind or mindedness, which is enmity against God, and is therefore denominated sin or sinfulness. Unpardonable sin, or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is supposed to be a malicious and obstinate rejection of Christ and the gospel plan of salvation, or a contemptuous resistance made to the influences and convictions of the Holy Spirit. Matt.12.

2. A sin-offering; an offering made to atone for sin. He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin. 2 Cor 5.

3. A man enormously wicked. [Not in use.]

4. Sin differs from crime, not in nature, but in application. That which is a crime against society, is sin against God.
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weird....you seem to be quoting the old testament - which we have already been told to disregard.

List what sins are (useful detailed list please) using only the new testament.
 
Rick28 said:
The reason why there is paganism in Christianity is because Constantine the 1st Roman emperor adopted pagan rituals into the church to keep the pagans happy. Look at the history of Easter and Christmas, full of paganism.
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Christianity is a form of paganism. Thats just all there is to it. Zeigeist lays it out better than any other source I've seen.
 
dsade said:
weird....you seem to be quoting the old testament - which we have already been told to disregard.

List what sins are (useful detailed list please) using only the new testament.
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Ok here goes:


denying God
blasphemy
the pride of life
lust of the eyes
adultery
lying
fornicators
uncleanness
lasciviousness
thieves
covetous
extortioner
Idolatry
witchcraft
hatred
variance
emulations
wrath
strife
seditions
heresies
Envyings
murderers
drunkenness
revellings
abusers of themselves with mankind (Gay)
effeminate

etc.
 
Rick28 said:
Ok here goes:


denying God
blasphemy
the pride of life
lust of the eyes
adultery
lying
fornicators
uncleanness
lasciviousness
thieves
covetous
extortioner
Idolatry
witchcraft
hatred
variance
emulations
wrath
strife
seditions
heresies
Envyings
murderers
drunkenness
revellings
abusers of themselves with mankind (Gay)
effeminate

etc.
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This is all NT too
 
Rick28 said:
Please elaborate
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I could give myself carpal tunnel going into detail. Just watch part 1 of it. Invalid Link Removed

(click the video with the blue screen. but watch all of both videos if you're feeling up to an education marathon)
 
well, the story of jesus seems to be VERY similiar to that of mithra, with the last supper, virgin birth, reincarnation before he ascended to paradise, son of god, raising dead and curing blind, eating the god with bread or wafers, the day of judgement, and the birth on december 25th, which like one stated earlier was instated by pope julius to keep with pagan traditions. plus the ten commandments were stolen from the egyptian book of the dead, so i find it all to be a bit of a farce, just meant to please everybody and find a medium between most religions.
 
Rick28 said:
Ok here goes:


denying God
blasphemy
the pride of life
lust of the eyes
adultery
lying
fornicators
uncleanness
lasciviousness
thieves
covetous
extortioner
Idolatry
witchcraft
hatred
variance
emulations
wrath
strife
seditions
heresies
Envyings
murderers
drunkenness
revellings
abusers of themselves with mankind (Gay)
effeminate

etc.
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do you have non old testament sources (bok, chapter, verse) for all of these?

I mean especially with noah being a drunk and all, yet considered the only righteous man left on preflood earth. Oops, there I go brining that irrelevant old testament into it again.
 
Rick28 said:
Ok here goes:
Idolatry
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isnt christianity technically the worshipping of an idol, since you have the crucifix with jesus on it, and you worship jesus and bow infront of crosses(some do) etc. i know in judaism and muslim for instance, there is no image of their god, so technically they are the only ones who dont commit that sin...
 
Necroticism said:
well, the story of jesus seems to be VERY similiar to that of mithra, with the last supper, virgin birth, reincarnation before he ascended to paradise, son of god, raising dead and curing blind, eating the god with bread or wafers, the day of judgement, and the birth on december 25th, which like one stated earlier was instated by pope julius to keep with pagan traditions. plus the ten commandments were stolen from the egyptian book of the dead, so i find it all to be a bit of a farce, just meant to please everybody and find a medium between most religions.
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There is so much truth in what you are stating. However Jesus was not born in December and that's the reason why I don't celebrate Christmas. Mithra, Saturnalia celebrate the birth of the sun. People were out to find out the birth of Christ and since they couldn't find a Biblical basis for it the merge the days together. What a shame! You can thank early Romans and Catholics for Christmas. Early Christians never celebrated the birth, the resurrection was way more important.

About the egyptian book of the dead, I'll look into that.
 
Necroticism said:
isnt christianity technically the worshipping of an idol, since you have the crucifix with jesus on it, and you worship jesus and bow infront of crosses(some do) etc. i know in judaism and muslim for instance, there is no image of their god, so technically they are the only ones who dont commit that sin...
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Technically muslims are idolators their god was an idol found out of over 350 in a Mecca Temple. He has a crescent moon on his chest hence Allah is known as the moon god of mecca.

About the crucifix, christians have themselves to blame for that one. You're right it is idolatry! I actually tell those people who do so that it is idolatry. The pics of Jesus also is idolatry.
 
dsade said:
I mean especially with noah being a drunk and all, yet considered the only righteous man left on preflood earth. Oops, there I go brining that irrelevant old testament into it again.
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Moses is a plagarism too. Google "Epic of Gilgamesh"
flood commanded by god
arch with all the animals
even the release and return of a dove

A summerian story I believe.
 
dsade said:
do you have non old testament sources (bok, chapter, verse) for all of these?

I mean especially with noah being a drunk and all, yet considered the only righteous man left on preflood earth. Oops, there I go brining that irrelevant old testament into it again.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Galatians 5:17, 19-21
Matthew 12:31
Mark 7:21-22
Titus 1:16
John 8:21-24
+ many others
 
For laughs and some education, go to youtube and watch stuff by Pat Condell and "The Professor Brothers: Bible History."

also watch vids of
Christopher Hitchens,
Sam Harris,
Richard Dawkins,
etc

and watch
"Why Wont God Heal Amputees?"
&
"80 Atheist Quotes"
 
whiskers said:
For laughs and some education, go to youtube and watch stuff by Pat Condell and "The Professor Brothers: Bible History."

also watch vids of
Christopher Hitchens,
Sam Harris,
Richard Dawkins,
etc

and watch
"Why Wont God Heal Amputees?"
&
"80 Atheist Quotes"
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That's why!

I was just gonna say man, you got a quote for every post! :afro:
 
Omen said:
That's why!

I was just gonna say man, you got a quote for every post! :afro:
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haha. that vid is okay but there are quite a few errors in it.

I spent a long time studying to let go of religion. Quotes from nearly every famous mind in history were a big comfort to me and reeassured me.
here's a few more you may like omen

"All religions have been made by men." Napoleon Bonaparte

"Beliefs are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." Neitzche


"Religion is thought of by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (Historian who lived in the Mediteranean when Christ was allegedly there. he somehow didnt hear about jesus)

I can go on and on I love quotes of this sort
I usually go to Brainyquote. really good site



(thank you for the compliment btw)
 
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