slimcharles
Banned
30lbs in 2 months is still damn near impossible no matter which way you swing it. Unless he downright starved himself for weeks on end.
Why I think Kre-Alk is some BS
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30lbs in 2 months is still damn near impossible no matter which way you swing it. Unless he downright starved himself for weeks on end.
chocolatemilk
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Thank you for clearing that up for me hoopem as I always thought that 25 pound weight loss was due to the "water weight" people always mention that you lose when you stop taking creatine. It sucks to know I could have kept some more of those gains now lol but whatever I'm at that same level now just working out naturally for the moment.
Creatine is truly a subjective experience I think. It works differently across different people. I can't imagine being a non responder to it as it is such an amazing supplement in my eyes. As long as you are a responder--find the one that suits you and stick with it.
Whether you guys like mono, CEE, or kre-alk, we have seen it's not true that one of these creatines is the best for all people, but that one of these creatines is the best for one person.
OP as much as you think kre-alk is BS.. there are people that prefer it for whatever reasons and we must respect the product for that reason even if it seems a bunk product for you. Some love CEE the best and I respect their decision and wouldn't call CEE BS just because it doesn't work for me.. And then there are the traditional old schoolers who live and die by creatine mono.. my worst enemy creatine personally lol but gods gift to other bodybuilders and I respect that. And then there are the last type of people that think all these creatines are the same s*** from a different pile lol... and I respect that too.
Creatine, although exerting a general response of increase muscle mass, strength, endurance, and water retention, the degree of this response varies from person to person. So try a different creatine if you think there is more potential for you, and if you simply love the product your with, marry the damn thing.
Creatine is truly a subjective experience I think. It works differently across different people. I can't imagine being a non responder to it as it is such an amazing supplement in my eyes. As long as you are a responder--find the one that suits you and stick with it.
Whether you guys like mono, CEE, or kre-alk, we have seen it's not true that one of these creatines is the best for all people, but that one of these creatines is the best for one person.
OP as much as you think kre-alk is BS.. there are people that prefer it for whatever reasons and we must respect the product for that reason even if it seems a bunk product for you. Some love CEE the best and I respect their decision and wouldn't call CEE BS just because it doesn't work for me.. And then there are the traditional old schoolers who live and die by creatine mono.. my worst enemy creatine personally lol but gods gift to other bodybuilders and I respect that. And then there are the last type of people that think all these creatines are the same s*** from a different pile lol... and I respect that too.
Creatine, although exerting a general response of increase muscle mass, strength, endurance, and water retention, the degree of this response varies from person to person. So try a different creatine if you think there is more potential for you, and if you simply love the product your with, marry the damn thing.
slimcharles
Banned
CEE has been proven not to work for anyone. It literally CANNOT work. There have been multiple studies on it.
rochabp
Well-known member
skinnycharles... he needs some of dat der cell tech and then he can change his name to 20inchpenis-giantcharles.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I rem I used creatine off and on from 97 to 2004 and never really noticed anything when I started taking it, but when I came off I would lose a little power and drop like 5lbs in about 10 days, (I would take 10-15g of mono a day). Then I tried krealk at 3g day, didnt do anything, but when I went up to about 4g a day, got some nice explosive power gains esp. in squats, if I took over 5g a day i bloated, so I mean if a creatine form doesnt work for you its probably not a good creatine for you (mono, krealk, di-creatine, blablabla), or you just dont respond to creatine in supplement form. Also if your not doing a lot of work with reps between 3-6 with short rest, I dont think your going to notice much from creatine.
chocolatemilk
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Guys I have a question.. I've been thinking why some people respond better than others on creatine considering diet and training are kept constant.
Is it true that if you have more muscle fiber, and less bf, you would respond better than someone with less muscle fiber, and more bf. Since creatine volumizes muscle cells, does having more muscle cells proportionate to fat cells mean you are gonna look "fuller" when taking creatine because you have more muscle cells.
Does having a higher percentage of muscle cells compared to lets say fat cells mean more results from creatine since it volumizes the muscle cells?
Is it true that if you have more muscle fiber, and less bf, you would respond better than someone with less muscle fiber, and more bf. Since creatine volumizes muscle cells, does having more muscle cells proportionate to fat cells mean you are gonna look "fuller" when taking creatine because you have more muscle cells.
Does having a higher percentage of muscle cells compared to lets say fat cells mean more results from creatine since it volumizes the muscle cells?
cgoode
Member
Anyone who uses anything but Creapure is an idiot IMO.....There is no way u get any bloat with Creapure and its the most proven Creatine there is.....If ur not getting results then u probably dont know how to take it and are probably taking it with straight water or a juice instead of a non acidic sugar substance....there is no reason to pay for any other creatine
slimcharles
Banned
That's because 99% of the sh-it out there, DOESN'T WORK. Only placebo driven sheep such as yourself are hoping for that one miracle pill that will make up for crappy genes and subpar diet. News flash, the only supplements that build muscle are creatine, protein, and AAS (PH/DS as well). Everything else is garbage and if you disagree you are a fool and deserve to waste all your money on w/e the supplement companies spoon feed you
Also here are your CEE studies, any questions? Or is a peer reviewed study not enough evidence for you? I know you must be used to "looking at the logs" for validation.
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""It appears CEE supplementation would actually provide high plasma concentrations of pharmacologically inactive creatinine rather than ergogenic creatine, and these acute levels may far exceed those determined to be within normal ranges", they conclude. "
BigBeazy
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Doesn't work? Then why am I called BigBeazy instead of TinyBeazy?
I have a pretty decent, clean diet. I of course take my Nutrapro, and about every LG supplement known to man. I've gained not only amazing strength in the past few weeks, but size as well.
Your logic of supplements is that If you take a test booster or something like that, you will change from your 130 lbs to 200. It takes hard work and dedication. Supplements only help and aid you. They help you break plateu's and achieve higher levels.
And yes, I must be the foolish big strong guy at the gym because I take supplements.
Ok, what about pre workouts? Work ten hours, go to class for 2-3 hours, then try making yourself go to the gym. The last thing I want to do is hit the gym, I take a little Ignite or my Super Hero stack, and Im practically running to the gym. How is that useless and a waste of money?
Multivitamins, no matter how you eat, you really won't get the most beneficial nutrients that you really need. Need I say more?
For the LG Supplements I take. Natabolic Cycle = Epic. Yes, I really did waste my money on this, It makes me too strong, I have lost 2% body fat, I look alot bigger, and im a self proclaimed Alpha Male. Yup, This Supplement deffinately does NOT work. At all. Its horrible. Please make my huge gains Stop!!!
Bcaa's, You have beef with this too? Not only does it help you build muscle, its also proven to lower body fat aswell. Bcaa's are pure garbage. It's a staple in all serious body builders supplementation just to make them look cool.
Super Hero Stack (LG Sciences), Yup, according to my tiny friend, It is garbage. Try telling this to the thousands of people who just love it. Testers had nothing but amazing feed back on it. I have used this ever since it came out, just stopping to do a quick N.O. Ignite log. I feel amazing off of it. It really is great stuff, and we have a brave little manlet come here and trash talk it. UGH.
rochabp
Well-known member
slimshady so apparently 6,697,254,041 that consume supps are ****ing crazy. so the beta alanine tingles is from crack? l arginine pumps is from insulin? so the people that died from ehpedra was a placebo?caffeine stimulant properties is placebo? tribulus giving me boners is placebo? uva ursi's duirectic effects is placebo?
theres billions of examples
im not saying we need supps to build muscle but im saying gives you that extra edge over the other guy
theres billions of examples
im not saying we need supps to build muscle but im saying gives you that extra edge over the other guy
BigBeazy
Well-known member
Challenge Accepted.
hoopem6
Well-known member
I absolutely can not wait to see video proof of you bench pressing 395 raw, squatting 450 parallel, and curling 80 pound dumbbells without using a swinging momentum!
BigBeazy
Well-known member
395 = 1rm.
450 = Im a little unstable because of my knees but I can do it.
80's = probilly 4rm. Rest after that is going to be swinging or have me leaning.
hoopem6
Well-known member
You're starting to sound a little unsure of yourself Beazy...
The 80's that were once "cake" are now four reps that require "swinging and leaning."
Regardless, I can't wait to see this video!
Oh, and I hope you aren't doing these "1rm's" on assisted smith machines.
BigBeazy
Well-known member
Smith machines = the self spot one right? We call those Macy Machines over here.
As opposed to January, curling 35's 5 times each arm, I've made progress.
Oh and hop up off my D ick.
hoopem6
Well-known member
Haha, aww getting a little defensive...
Coming from the proverbial "Prime" hater who spews his nonsense, and disdain, for a product he has never once tried. Only to be humbled by USP Lab's reps after making such statements, and mysteriously have a complete change of heart (even offering to purchase a bottle for future use). So, who's on whose d*ck Beazy?
monstermash
Well-known member
30lbs. of water just sounds ridiculous and your pics hardly reflect a 30lb gain of ANYTHING. lol
The only thing I know of that'll give you weight gain like that is Anadrol.
The only thing I know of that'll give you weight gain like that is Anadrol.
slimcharles
Banned
Gee, where do I start picking apart this mess?
First of all, test boosters have not been proven to build muscle. Please post peer reviewed study where it says they build muscle. Raises your test by 20-30% is not going to do anything for LBM. In order to gain muscle you must have supra-physical levels of test.
Secondly, your "ignite" can easily be replaced with caffeine and you would never know the difference. Yes, caffeine works and is the only pre-workout ingredient that people notice.
Third, multivitamins are absolutely NOT essential. A good diet will provide what you need. I personally find multivitamins are a joke because a lot of the ingredients are going to be competing for absorption. I take my vitamins separately throughout the day. Vitamin A, C, E, D, B complex and minerals at different times in the day.
Fourth, until you post pictures of yourself losing 2% bf and looking a lot bigger from the "Natabolic stack" all we have is your word. Which on the internet, means absolutely nothing. Yesterday I took some Extenze and today my penis is 20" longer. Are you saying I'm lying?
Lastly, the 'Superhero stack' or w/e is you once again spewing your bro-science and looking at the "logs." All of which are anecdotal evidence filled with so many variable and placebo driven effects that we may as well discount them. I don't even know why I bother arguing with you because it seems like 99% of the people on this site already think you are a liar and fraud, and I'm inclined to believe that as well.
The beta alanine tingle? What does that have anything to with the conversation? I also don't believe BA even works, I have yet to see a legitimate study showing that it aids in bodybuilding. I challenge you to post one.
L-arginine pumps? L-arginine pumps don't exist because it has been proven not to elevate NO levels in teh human body. The only way elevate NO with arginine is through intravenous injection, oral viability is laughable. Unlike you I have studies to back what I say, you are just basing your NO pumps on placebo and what the bro's say.
Also, why did you start listing supplements that have nothing to do with building muscle. I am talking STRICTLY about MUSCLE BUILDING and you are rambling on about caffeine, diuretics, ephedrine, all of which clearly work, but have nothing to do with gaining LBM.
I never said "supplements in general don't work" I said "muscle building supplements aside from AAS, PH/DS, protein and creatine, DO NOT WORK."
cgoode
Member
Grey Warden
New member
beazy where you at? this $100 bill is burning a hole in my pocket. chug some muscle marinade and lets see the vid!
AnthonyIOSOS
Active member
Wow, I have missed a lot. This thread has gone crazy!
AnthonyIOSOS
Active member
I personally enjoyed using kre alk. Reduction in bloat, price, convenience(pill form) and it worked for me.
rchaves
New member
Yeah, seriously! I feel like I'm watching Jerry Springer.
I can't wait for this YouTube video.
triton185
Member
I bought some Scifit Kre-Alk a few weeks ago and used it for a little less than 2 weeks. I bought it because I hate messing with powders and it was on sale at Vit shoppe....cheaper that mono when it was on sale. I had a good experience with it but stopped because I was feeling a little bloat in my stomach....could not really see the bloat but I felt it.....also was having gas. Its been a couple of weeks since I went off of it and I still have gas so scratch Kre-Alk as the cause. I was taking 3.75g per day......I am going to go back on it today and only do 3g per day and see if that little bit of bloat goes away.
fadi
Well-known member
Not getting into the argument, I would just like to add my take on supps and I hope I do not offend anyone. Believe me, none intended.
When viewing supplements logs, I see people gaining 5 and 10lbs off most supplements they are trying. The gains sometimes comparable to prohormones and steroid gains. That doesn't really add up.
After a while, you start to wonder where all those gains going? If the people keep gaining 5 and 10lbs on every supplement they use, or if they are gaining 5 and 10lbs in 4 to 8 weeks, I would imagine they are beyond huge by now. Those lbs add up shouldn't they?
That makes me wonder if the increase in weight is misleading. Probably water gain making the muscles look bigger than they really are after you cycle off the stuff, or stays at that level once saturated. The extra weight is due to the extra water retention that is not noticable as water gains. Or of course the gains are not long lasting and are lost once you stop the supplements which takes us back to square one.
I of course recognize that extra water means more nutriant delivery to the muscles, no doubt about it. But if thats the case, then just called it for what it is. When someone states certain creatine type does not cause water retention, then are the gains realistically lean muscles in that short period of time? strength, i can see. But the reported size increase, is little difficult for me to justify.
The same can be said about test boosters btw. The main indicator that people seem to go by is their libido and feeling alpha male. Viagra gives you hardon without increasing the test levels. So are they really increasing test levels or or the statements are misleading.
If they provide strength increase, then by all means they can be worth it since more strength means more weight and nutrition and diet can then play a role in building the muscles.
The lab results that are cited or posted are very misleading. We all seen before and after pictures and statistics about so many supplements to know better. But sometimes we choose to believe, and other times we question them.
There are certain required and proven supplements such as protein, vitamins, etc. Then there are those that were not proven or disproven so use them based on your budget. That is all there is to it.
Placebo, or not. If it gives you an edge, then go for it.
When viewing supplements logs, I see people gaining 5 and 10lbs off most supplements they are trying. The gains sometimes comparable to prohormones and steroid gains. That doesn't really add up.
After a while, you start to wonder where all those gains going? If the people keep gaining 5 and 10lbs on every supplement they use, or if they are gaining 5 and 10lbs in 4 to 8 weeks, I would imagine they are beyond huge by now. Those lbs add up shouldn't they?
That makes me wonder if the increase in weight is misleading. Probably water gain making the muscles look bigger than they really are after you cycle off the stuff, or stays at that level once saturated. The extra weight is due to the extra water retention that is not noticable as water gains. Or of course the gains are not long lasting and are lost once you stop the supplements which takes us back to square one.
I of course recognize that extra water means more nutriant delivery to the muscles, no doubt about it. But if thats the case, then just called it for what it is. When someone states certain creatine type does not cause water retention, then are the gains realistically lean muscles in that short period of time? strength, i can see. But the reported size increase, is little difficult for me to justify.
The same can be said about test boosters btw. The main indicator that people seem to go by is their libido and feeling alpha male. Viagra gives you hardon without increasing the test levels. So are they really increasing test levels or or the statements are misleading.
If they provide strength increase, then by all means they can be worth it since more strength means more weight and nutrition and diet can then play a role in building the muscles.
The lab results that are cited or posted are very misleading. We all seen before and after pictures and statistics about so many supplements to know better. But sometimes we choose to believe, and other times we question them.
There are certain required and proven supplements such as protein, vitamins, etc. Then there are those that were not proven or disproven so use them based on your budget. That is all there is to it.
Placebo, or not. If it gives you an edge, then go for it.
rochabp
Well-known member
DaSlixter
Member
Sick if only i wouldve known this a day ago. Its coo bro i only want a months supply to try it out, i dont usually use creatine anyways bcuz of its unneccesary water retention so i only decided to try this one bcuz it supposibly doesnt cause unneccesary water retention. What was the quantity and supplier? I got the 120caps.
fidget324
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If you like this thread, you'll love my Con-Cret thread:
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Cheers
DaSlixter
Member
Whoa thanx again man! I just ordered some con-cret right now! Jk man I didnt read past pg1 but i do get your idea on why you think all creatine but CM is BS. and it makes sense bcuz afterall creatine is nothing more than creatine, and thats it! sadly nieve ppl just fall into the marketing business scam. But the main reason why i chose KA was bcuz it doesnt have much additives like others, or at least BS ones like CEE (from what i learned), and is pretty much just CM. So theres not much hurt there. Plus creatine w/o unnneccesary water retention and bloating, is pretty much ultimate, i dont see what more ppl can ask for out of creatine, its not an aas or anything of that nature.
hardknock
Well-known member
Slimcharles, please explain the odd gain is size and rapid loss in same size during and after cycling off of a test booster or nutrient partitioner? or creatine?
Less throw food out because many keep the same diets on and off. If any of the products help produce gains, no matter directly or indirectly, then what the hell is the issue?
As far as taking vitamins, you both deny and admit to taking them in the same post? Seriously, I would like to see some explaination to that?
Also, you mention that caff pills do not help to build muscle? This is like the people that say guns do not kill people...
Caff pills create the needed energy one may need to get them into the gym. The increased energy helps you to have intense workouts. This process helps to push haarder which in turn helps you lift heavier, tear down more...now you are correct that protein rebuilds the muscle but if you do not have the energy to get into the gym then what? Also bcaas are needed if you are lacking in diet which most people are.
Less throw food out because many keep the same diets on and off. If any of the products help produce gains, no matter directly or indirectly, then what the hell is the issue?
As far as taking vitamins, you both deny and admit to taking them in the same post? Seriously, I would like to see some explaination to that?
Also, you mention that caff pills do not help to build muscle? This is like the people that say guns do not kill people...
Caff pills create the needed energy one may need to get them into the gym. The increased energy helps you to have intense workouts. This process helps to push haarder which in turn helps you lift heavier, tear down more...now you are correct that protein rebuilds the muscle but if you do not have the energy to get into the gym then what? Also bcaas are needed if you are lacking in diet which most people are.
805bgtymer
New member
I'm down to chip in on the bet about the 450lb bench press! I've honestly only seen a few dudes do it, and both of them weighed 280plus. I'm willing to bet dude can't even do 350
rochabp
Well-known member
i curl 450 for warm up, i use 450 to workout my deltoids
hoopem6
Well-known member
The man, the myth, the legend, rochabp.
hardknock
Well-known member
...this is wrong, there was not a 450 BENCH challenge to my knowledge.
hoopem6
Well-known member
395 lb. bench, 450 lb. squat...
rochabp
Well-known member
fixed***
elgenyo
Member
After reading all this mess thinking I would be able to learn something regarding supplementation I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't effing matter if you put sugar into a capsule and called it GymJuice, if it makes you feel motivated to lift more and push harder then its worth the money.
AnthonyIOSOS
Active member
Lmao.
805bgtymer
New member
395 bench and 450 squat...no way dude could do it....no disrespect but I've seen his pics posted in here and its not happening.....