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Who is interested in more sleep?!?!??! X-DREAM!

nootropolis said:
lol either way i'm loosing motivation.
I wish these reps would launch there pre release threads a week later so the disappointment would be lessened :thumbsup:
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Then people would complain there wasn't enough time to research things, or the testers didn't get it early enough or they had just ordered competitors product x but would have held off if they knew or something. It works the same way in the software industry.

In any complex system, bringing together all the elements in required quantities at the same time is the hardest part. it could be a delay at the print shop for the lablel, or anything else. To me the magic of a great cook isn't entirely the taste, its also in managing to bring a whole meal together so that everything is ready at the right times.
 
In the software industry you have the same damn reason behind the problem as the supplement industry.

MARKETERS f'ing with other people's good work. MORE BELLS, MORE WHISTLES, MORE HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



EasyEJL said:
Then people would complain there wasn't enough time to research things, or the testers didn't get it early enough or they had just ordered competitors product x but would have held off if they knew or something. It works the same way in the software industry.

In any complex system, bringing together all the elements in required quantities at the same time is the hardest part. it could be a delay at the print shop for the lablel, or anything else. To me the magic of a great cook isn't entirely the taste, its also in managing to bring a whole meal together so that everything is ready at the right times.
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djl said:
In the software industry you have the same damn reason behind the problem as the supplement industry.

MARKETERS f'ing with other people's good work. MORE BELLS, MORE WHISTLES, MORE HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Theres more to it than that in the software industry, i know from more than 10 in it. You have impatient consumers/customers (as well as management staff) who want it now, and since mediocre people are the majority and they accept mediocrity in others and their products, they don't plan well for the cost/time for excellence, and aren't willing to pay the difference for excellence either. If you can get 90% there for 60% of the time/cost of getting to 100%, thats good enough.

In software, the money is in satisfying the mediocre majority, not those who wake up in the morning and piss excellence :D
 
With 12 years as a Software Engineer, I can state that in the industries I've worked, marketing drives the final product. And marketers are quite easily the most flip-floppy group of people I've ever known.

The only time marketeers haven't pushed a project back was when I worked for EDS and there was a very good contract written with the client. Unfortunately for the client, their marketeers, like most, simply don't know what they want at the beginning of a project. They are happiest with an endless RAD model.

EasyEJL said:
Theres more to it than that in the software industry, i know from more than 10 in it. You have impatient consumers/customers (as well as management staff) who want it now, and since mediocre people are the majority and they accept mediocrity in others and their products, they don't plan well for the cost/time for excellence, and aren't willing to pay the difference for excellence either. If you can get 90% there for 60% of the time/cost of getting to 100%, thats good enough.

In software, the money is in satisfying the mediocre majority, not those who wake up in the morning and piss excellence :D
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At least in software, you can release a product a little early and still continue maintenance/development. Then later issue upgrades/patches to your customers.

I don't know much about the supplement industry, but it's an extreme risk to the customers and to the supplier to release too early. They can't just go and correct a supplement after it's been consumed.

I'm not exactly sure how we arrived at this analogy, or if anyone's trying to imply anything. But I think these example supplements listed here are having other issues than marketing, they just need to get things cleared up and squared away so it's safe to release their product without causing any troubles.
 
djl said:
In the software industry you have the same damn reason behind the problem as the supplement industry.

MARKETERS f'ing with other people's good work. MORE BELLS, MORE WHISTLES, MORE HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bitterplacebo said:
I'm not exactly sure how we arrived at this analogy, or if anyone's trying to imply anything.
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Mostly I was just saying that it happens in all industries. I'm still waiting to see if the Pontiac G8 will be available with the 6 speed manual with a V8 and not just on the V6 version. The car has been announced for months, its based on the Holden (GM australia's performance division) Commodore which is available that way, but the pontiac site reads "standard 6 speed automatic with V8".

As consumers, we all want as much information as we can get as early as we can. If one company releases more information earlier, and continues to keep consumer interest up, they will sell more product. I don't see the value of complaining that I can't get more info on a car that I can't buy yet anyhow. If the dates slip, its not like its the date of a kidney replacement surgery slipping, its a car, or a software package or a supplement :)
 
Yeah, delays happen everywhere and for a many different reasons. As long as they're not life-critical products, people usually grow accustomed to some disappointment in this. Or they take their mind off it by occupying their time with learning about other products in the same general category because that's what they're interested in. I know that's what I do.
 
yup, a little girl. lol. August 6th is the arival date, but she will most likely be early. Hows the adjustment been for you and the wifey?
 
somewhat tough as far as having all your time dedicated to someone else BUT its totally worth it every time you look in their face.... man theyre cute.
 
Hint: IBE X-Dream ingredients revealed in the newest issue of MD.

:twisted:

Just picked it up at border books yesterday and its on a full-page ad.
 
^^^
Post please.
 
They also put it on the IBE website.

We combined 2 innovative products, 3-OH-GABA and N-arachidonyl-dopamine HCL. 3-OH-GABA binds to the GABA A receptor site in the brain which is the same receptor site that benzodiazepines such as Xanax bind to and 3-OH-GABA has clinically shown to increase growth hormone levels. The next innovative ingredient,N-arachidonyl-dopamine, HCL binds to the cannabinoid CB1 receptor which is the same receptor stimulated by Marijuana which is known to cause relaxation and even produces a sense of euphoria. The combination of these two natural, LEGAL and potent compounds trigers all the remarkable benefits found in the X-Dream formula.
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I was looking forward to X-Dream, but now I'm a little concerned about N-arachidonyl-dopamine because of the dopamine part of the name. I have reason to believe I'd be sensitive to dopamine fluctuations.

Does NADA only bind at the cannabinoid receptors or is there any widespread dopamine fluctuation caused by it? If anyone could offer more insight on this, I would appreciate it.
 
should be ready close to the end of next week i belive, everything else is ready cept their waiting on the labeld sleeves....

IBE said:
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X-Dream toward the end of next week.......we have the product, just not cool "re-branded" labels yet:aargh: . We will be starting X-Dream rep and mod sampling by the end of the week to get reviews going, labels or no labels!
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We gonna wake up with the munchies in the morning from this stuff? Serious question. Also, any chance of physical dependency from this?

Looks great :thumbsup:
 
Alright guys, the labels are scheduled to come in this week. Cross your fingers and hope they are good to go!!!!!
 
Sweeet! Couldnt have reiceved better news to start the week! :D Now all i need to do is get on the free samples bus!
 
IBE/Lake,
What sort of dose does the Gaba derivative have per cap in relation to the beta given out at the O?

More? Less?
 
3-hydroxy-4-aminobutyric acid

3-hydroxy-4-aminobutyric acid is usually refered to as 4-amino-3-hydroxybutyric acid (aka GABOB)......am i correct in this assumption?
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Could a cannaboid receptor antagonist like RIMONABANT interfere with the mechanism of action of this product?
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N-arachidonoyl-dopamine (NADA) is a selective cannabinoid receptor 1 (CB1) agonist and rimonabant is a selective CB1 antagonist. So yes they will most likely interact. To what extent depends on the CB1 binding affinity of the two compounds.
 
aequitas said:
N-arachidonoyl-dopamine (NADA) is a selective cannabinoid receptor 1 (CB1) agonist and rimonabant is a selective CB1 antagonist. So yes they will most likely interact. To what extent depends on the CB1 binding affinity of the two compounds.
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Duh! Everbody knows that! :D
 
I'm really looking forward to trying X-Dream. Being on third shift is kicking my a@@ lately and I haven't been able to sleep more than 5 hours a day. I have some ambien at home, but it knocks me for a loop and I don't care for the way I feel when I wake up.

Hopefully X-Dream will be my savior.
 
Where are you guys at with this? I'm itching to try this one more than most anything else that's come out so far this year.
 
Alright reps, I am going to have the warehouse send you guys some samples of it today :D.

The rest of you check back in the forum and I'll make up a juicy contest for you guys!

Just remember though you have to have IBE X-Dream: The Future of Relaxation and Sleep in blue in your signature :)
 
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