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Whit's SD/EPI/4ad RDe Cycle!

wrxwhit said:
Thanks Howy! It's been fun, but this type of fun can't last forever unless you want to kill yourself or someone else lol!

Question for everybody. I'm taking my Clomid every morning. Those of you who take erase and daa, Do you take both before you work out, daa before bed etc. I here some like to take erase before working out for pumps. I guess it doesn't matter as long as you take them.
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I usually take my SERM first thing in the morning, and my DAA right before bed. Makes it more convenient. I would take the erase as directed.


Damn bro...my bloods came back that my liver is going under some pretty bad stress for these past 3 weeks on epistane. I see lots of people doing crazy'er doses/stacks/ph's and are fine. Your bummed cuz your cycles ending....

I'M BUMMED because mine not only had to abruptly end, but It looks like my liver can't handle methyl's. So that means NO future methyl cycles. At least you get to run methyl cycles later down the line.


Poor lil ol me. :( And I have another bottle of Epistane here and got ahold of 2 bottles of superdrol when the ban hit. Now all they're going to do is sit there, collect dust, and tease me.







....dammit.
 
epstaneman said:
I usually take my SERM first thing in the morning, and my DAA right before bed. Makes it more convenient. I would take the erase as directed.

Damn bro...my bloods came back that my liver is going under some pretty bad stress for these past 3 weeks on epistane. I see lots of people doing crazy'er doses/stacks/ph's and are fine. Your bummed cuz your cycles ending....

I'M BUMMED because mine not only had to abruptly end, but It looks like my liver can't handle methyl's. So that means NO future methyl cycles. At least you get to run methyl cycles later down the line.

Poor lil ol me. :( And I have another bottle of Epistane here and got ahold of 2 bottles of superdrol when the ban hit. Now all they're going to do is sit there, collect dust, and tease me.

....dammit.
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What type of liver protection were you using? How often were you drinking? Were you taking anything else like asprin or other pills?

Whit, to help with the feeling like poop during pct and being depressed all day from the clomid dose it at night before bed. Daa is fine am or pwo. I always take my ai with my morning vitamins and whatnot.
 
superbeast668 said:
What type of liver protection were you using? How often were you drinking? Were you taking anything else like asprin or other pills?

Whit, to help with the feeling like poop during pct and being depressed all day from the clomid dose it at night before bed. Daa is fine am or pwo. I always take my ai with my morning vitamins and whatnot.
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I was taking a combination of AI LIFE SUPPORT and Milk Thistle. I cycle responsibly. I don't take anything that will cause stress to the liver on cycle or post cycle. Water intake was good. I guess some peoples livers can handle it and some can't. I've done some heavy drinking in my day, but nothing that would make my liver that weak. Well....can't deny bloods. Just is what it is.

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I can get the injectable test but I would only get it if I can ever find legit nolvadex rather then this harsh research chem bull sh*t.
 
epstaneman said:
I was taking a combination of AI LIFE SUPPORT and Milk Thistle. I cycle responsibly. I don't take anything that will cause stress to the liver on cycle or post cycle. Water intake was good. I guess some peoples livers can handle it and some can't. I've done some heavy drinking in my day, but nothing that would make my liver that weak. Well....can't deny bloods. Just is what it is.

tsk tsk

I can get the injectable test but I would only get it if I can ever find legit nolvadex rather then this harsh research chem bull sh*t.
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Milk thistle is worthless, spend the money on udca/tudca and rc or script nolva makes no difference. If its legit nolva its legit nolva. Why would you use rc for epistane and not injectables. Theyre both active steroids. They both shut you down.
 
superbeast668 said:
Milk thistle is worthless, spend the money on udca/tudca and rc or script nolva makes no difference. If its legit nolva its legit nolva. Why would you use rc for epistane and not injectables. Theyre both active steroids. They both shut you down.
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I know they are both active steroids. Regarding the Nolvadex I was under the impression that RC was harsher then script. Definitely looking into the udca/tudca next go around. Thanks for the info. If they are both the same on the liver, rc or script, then sh*t.....next go around I'll do the injectables and REALLY go beast.


Course if my liver is still a pus*y then I can't do sh*t. Either way...I'm happy with the gains I got and I'm just looking toward my next blood test to see how serious the liver damage is. If it's nothing to loose sleep over, I'm calling my cycle a success.
 
epstaneman said:
I usually take my SERM first thing in the morning, and my DAA right before bed. Makes it more convenient. I would take the erase as directed.


Damn bro...my bloods came back that my liver is going under some pretty bad stress for these past 3 weeks on epistane. I see lots of people doing crazy'er doses/stacks/ph's and are fine. Your bummed cuz your cycles ending....

I'M BUMMED because mine not only had to abruptly end, but It looks like my liver can't handle methyl's. So that means NO future methyl cycles. At least you get to run methyl cycles later down the line.


Poor lil ol me. :( And I have another bottle of Epistane here and got ahold of 2 bottles of superdrol when the ban hit. Now all they're going to do is sit there, collect dust, and tease me.







....dammit.
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Post your bloods, i'd like to compare mine to yours... alt, ast, all that stuff.
 
MadmanMike said:
dude thats bad... My AST was 32 and my ALT was 30... Do you have Hep C or something?
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That's only after 3 weeks of Epistane dosed at 45mg ed. Once I got my swollen node I got bloods taken to rule out liver toxicity. Soon as the bloods came back showing this I stopped using Epistane. Just got a HEPC blood test done this morning. Will know tomorrow if I have it or not. Far as visual sides go....don't have pale stools, dark urine, yellow eyes or skin....none of that. No loss of appetite. Only thing I seemed to have had yesterday was a fever and some itching. But that could of been me being paranoid smoking weed. Probably got the fever from a nephew I take to school every morning. Only my bloods will tell.
 
epstaneman said:
That's only after 3 weeks of Epistane dosed at 45mg ed. Once I got my swollen node I got bloods taken to rule out liver toxicity. Soon as the bloods came back showing this I stopped using Epistane. Just got a HEPC blood test done this morning. Will know tomorrow if I have it or not. Far as visual sides go....don't have pale stools, dark urine, yellow eyes or skin....none of that. No loss of appetite. Only thing I seemed to have had yesterday was a fever and some itching. But that could of been me being paranoid smoking weed. Probably got the fever from a nephew I take to school every morning. Only my bloods will tell.
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I hope its negative, good luck on that dude.
 
MadmanMike said:
MONSTER.... Are you gonna see Dredd 3D? Looks action packed to me, i can't wait til friday.
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Yeah right bro, looks pretty sick, but I'll probably be watching the Lorax or some Disney shiit now with two little ones running around. Well worth it though to see them smile:)
 
MadmanMike said:
I hope its negative, good luck on that dude.
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It was negative. Which is good....cuz the research chem is going to f*ck with my liver too. Pct starts....cycle only lasted 3 weeks. O well.....already looking forward to my next run on Epi. ha ha
 
epstaneman said:
It was negative. Which is good....cuz the research chem is going to f*ck with my liver too. Pct starts....cycle only lasted 3 weeks. O well.....already looking forward to my next run on Epi. ha ha
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Damn bro, that EPI fawked you up. Are you gonna try another oral or go straight injectables once your back to normal??
 
wrxwhit said:
Damn bro, that EPI fawked you up. Are you gonna try another oral or go straight injectables once your back to normal??
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Well I'm not in a state where it's leading to Juandice so that's good. But it does show me that even Epistane is pretty harsh on the liver. Makes me bummed I can never run the SD I purchased when the ban hit. After PCT and seeing how much damage the research chem does to my liver, how my liver recovers.....I will use that info to decide my next cycle dosage and length. I still have another sealed bottle of Epi here so it'll be between running that or actual test.
 
epstaneman said:
Well I'm not in a state where it's leading to Juandice so that's good. But it does show me that even Epistane is pretty harsh on the liver. Makes me bummed I can never run the SD I purchased when the ban hit. After PCT and seeing how much damage the research chem does to my liver, how my liver recovers.....I will use that info to decide my next cycle dosage and length. I still have another sealed bottle of Epi here so it'll be between running that or actual test.
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I am very interested to see my bloods after PCT to see where I am at especially all the **** I took. A little overkill but freakin awesome. Hopefully all turns out well man and maybe think about a low dose SD 10mg for 6 weeks with some stano. Shouldn't be too bad in the ol liver. Or say f... It and jump straight to the king "test"!!!
 
wrxwhit said:
Yeah right bro, looks pretty sick, but I'll probably be watching the Lorax or some Disney shiit now with two little ones running around. Well worth it though to see them smile:)
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oh yeah i forgot you have kids, yeah better than any movie ever made for sure.
 
epstaneman said:
It was negative. Which is good....cuz the research chem is going to f*ck with my liver too. Pct starts....cycle only lasted 3 weeks. O well.....already looking forward to my next run on Epi. ha ha
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yeah i would get some liv 52 and start eating like 4 caps a day for a couple months before starting another cycle. Glad it was negative.
 
Update: First week PCT

PCT sux hairy ass pubes as we all know. My first couple doses of Clomid research weren't as bad as I thought. Had some blurry vision and a floating feeling for a couple hrs after dose and a minor headache. I dosed at 100mg first two days and now at 75 for rest of week. I'm sorta deloading. Amazingly enough after taking all those compounds, my muscles feel pretty good. My last go around with sd was brutal and had major muscle pain for the first couple weeks. I'm guessing stacking 4ad and stano is helping me as I eased into pct with it.

As far as EPI, I know it worked for me since I killed most PR's but honestly, I have no clue what had the biggest effect. I think the EPI helped with strength and and muscle hardening.

4ad was pretty sweet. Balls never shrunk like prior cycles, had some lethargy, but not as bad as last cycle. Any other benefits is unknown.

Stano, ummm... I have no clue what it did for me. I do know the last week of cycle stano definitely helped keep me on point maintaining strength and making pct an easier transition.

All and all, awesome two month oral cycle, but will never do it again. Just felt drugged up at all times especially halfway through where I was on 4 compounds at the same time. It was too much overload and took away from my daily living, but fawking A, I was ON like donkey kong.

Sides:

Fortunately I had minor to intermediate sides. Still have no clue what back pumps are, but probably had them, due to uncomfortable pain when bending over etc. and dead lifts were the worst. Couldn't go heavy due to the discomfort. BP was spot on the whole cycle which surprised me. Glad I bought a wrist monitor since I thought some of my bloody noses were caused by high BP, but never the case. Prob due to excessive blood flow through my body. No signs of liver toxicity at all. Took 5 Liv 52's every night with 4 cycle assists. Piss never got that brownish color which I have had years ago when I screwed up an original SD run. I drank water all day at least a gallon or two. I always made sure I had a surplus wherever I was.

Diet:

I gained 19 pounds on a semi clean diet. I have always dirty bulked and never cared what I ate as long as I got big. This time I made some changes. Stayed away from Friendly's Candy Shop ice cream at night and eliminated fast food and processed shiit. I don't even crave **** anymore so I think I have trained my body finally after 34 years lol.

What's next:

Well, I bought 28 bottles of sd before the ban since I freakin love it:). I really want test, but I am nervous that I will get too yoked and wifey starts asking questions. She's not an advocate whatsoever on these types of supps. If she finds out its not good for me. I think I want to try trenazone next with my sd supply but not sure. Suggestions welcome.

I will continue to update pct and then plan on my next run!

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SUPPORT!!!!!
 
wrxwhit said:
Update: First week PCT

PCT sux hairy ass pubes as we all know. My first couple doses of Clomid research weren't as bad as I thought. Had some blurry vision and a floating feeling for a couple hrs after dose and a minor headache. I dosed at 100mg first two days and now at 75 for rest of week. I'm sorta deloading. Amazingly enough after taking all those compounds, my muscles feel pretty good. My last go around with sd was brutal and had major muscle pain for the first couple weeks. I'm guessing stacking 4ad and stano is helping me as I eased into pct with it.

As far as EPI, I know it worked for me since I killed most PR's but honestly, I have no clue what had the biggest effect. I think the EPI helped with strength and and muscle hardening.

4ad was pretty sweet. Balls never shrunk like prior cycles, had some lethargy, but not as bad as last cycle. Any other benefits is unknown.

Stano, ummm... I have no clue what it did for me. I do know the last week of cycle stano definitely helped keep me on point maintaining strength and making pct an easier transition.

All and all, awesome two month oral cycle, but will never do it again. Just felt drugged up at all times especially halfway through where I was on 4 compounds at the same time. It was too much overload and took away from my daily living, but fawking A, I was ON like donkey kong.

Sides:

Fortunately I had minor to intermediate sides. Still have no clue what back pumps are, but probably had them, due to uncomfortable pain when bending over etc. and dead lifts were the worst. Couldn't go heavy due to the discomfort. BP was spot on the whole cycle which surprised me. Glad I bought a wrist monitor since I thought some of my bloody noses were caused by high BP, but never the case. Prob due to excessive blood flow through my body. No signs of liver toxicity at all. Took 5 Liv 52's every night with 4 cycle assists. Piss never got that brownish color which I have had years ago when I screwed up an original SD run. I drank water all day at least a gallon or two. I always made sure I had a surplus wherever I was.

Diet:

I gained 19 pounds on a semi clean diet. I have always dirty bulked and never cared what I ate as long as I got big. This time I made some changes. Stayed away from Friendly's Candy Shop ice cream at night and eliminated fast food and processed shiit. I don't even crave **** anymore so I think I have trained my body finally after 34 years lol.

What's next:

Well, I bought 28 bottles of sd before the ban since I freakin love it:). I really want test, but I am nervous that I will get too yoked and wifey starts asking questions. She's not an advocate whatsoever on these types of supps. If she finds out its not good for me. I think I want to try trenazone next with my sd supply but not sure. Suggestions welcome.

I will continue to update pct and then plan on my next run!

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SUPPORT!!!!!
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Soild review man, sell some of the SD for 50$ a bottle and retire early lol....
 
MadmanMike said:
Soild review man, sell some of the SD for 50$ a bottle and retire early lol....
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Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to consume all these within the next 5 years or so so resale for most is a plan. May even be able to get more from them over time. We shall see. All the money's going right back in the supp pool to support some good ol test I think???
 
Airborne42 said:
Solid brother!!!
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Thanks bro, just wish I could hang onto some of the weight, already down 8 lbs. I would like to maintain 208-210 though before the next go around. Got to fight!!
 
wrxwhit said:
Thanks bro, just wish I could hang onto some of the weight, already down 8 lbs. I would like to maintain 208-210 though before the next go around. Got to fight!!
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SEE!!! This is why I say I don't want to do SD. Harsh as hell on the methyl and with gains you can get from a not so stressful compound. Someone convinced me it's not true and I bought a bottle when the ban hit. O well....whats 30 bucks.
 
Airborne42 said:
Eat some Damn food :-)
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I know bro, I'm way down on calories right now. I'm confused as to what my goal is at this point. At 219, I was too heavy, could barely breath and knees and back were sore as heck. Since the loss of weight I feel better, but when I look in the mirror I get depressed. I need to find a happy medium and roll with it.
 
wrxwhit said:
I know bro, I'm way down on calories right now. I'm confused as to what my goal is at this point. At 219, I was too heavy, could barely breath and knees and back were sore as heck. Since the loss of weight I feel better, but when I look in the mirror I get depressed. I need to find a happy medium and roll with it.
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Maybe go on a slow cut. 1/2 - 1 pound loss a week.
 
wrxwhit said:
Update: First week PCT

PCT sux hairy ass pubes as we all know. My first couple doses of Clomid research weren't as bad as I thought. Had some blurry vision and a floating feeling for a couple hrs after dose and a minor headache. I dosed at 100mg first two days and now at 75 for rest of week. I'm sorta deloading. Amazingly enough after taking all those compounds, my muscles feel pretty good. My last go around with sd was brutal and had major muscle pain for the first couple weeks. I'm guessing stacking 4ad and stano is helping me as I eased into pct with it.

As far as EPI, I know it worked for me since I killed most PR's but honestly, I have no clue what had the biggest effect. I think the EPI helped with strength and and muscle hardening.

4ad was pretty sweet. Balls never shrunk like prior cycles, had some lethargy, but not as bad as last cycle. Any other benefits is unknown.

Stano, ummm... I have no clue what it did for me. I do know the last week of cycle stano definitely helped keep me on point maintaining strength and making pct an easier transition.

All and all, awesome two month oral cycle, but will never do it again. Just felt drugged up at all times especially halfway through where I was on 4 compounds at the same time. It was too much overload and took away from my daily living, but fawking A, I was ON like donkey kong.

Sides:

Fortunately I had minor to intermediate sides. Still have no clue what back pumps are, but probably had them, due to uncomfortable pain when bending over etc. and dead lifts were the worst. Couldn't go heavy due to the discomfort. BP was spot on the whole cycle which surprised me. Glad I bought a wrist monitor since I thought some of my bloody noses were caused by high BP, but never the case. Prob due to excessive blood flow through my body. No signs of liver toxicity at all. Took 5 Liv 52's every night with 4 cycle assists. Piss never got that brownish color which I have had years ago when I screwed up an original SD run. I drank water all day at least a gallon or two. I always made sure I had a surplus wherever I was.

Diet:

I gained 19 pounds on a semi clean diet. I have always dirty bulked and never cared what I ate as long as I got big. This time I made some changes. Stayed away from Friendly's Candy Shop ice cream at night and eliminated fast food and processed shiit. I don't even crave **** anymore so I think I have trained my body finally after 34 years lol.

What's next:

Well, I bought 28 bottles of sd before the ban since I freakin love it:). I really want test, but I am nervous that I will get too yoked and wifey starts asking questions. She's not an advocate whatsoever on these types of supps. If she finds out its not good for me. I think I want to try trenazone next with my sd supply but not sure. Suggestions welcome.

I will continue to update pct and then plan on my next run!

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SUPPORT!!!!!
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Awesome update bro! I've liked following your log.
 
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epstaneman said:
SEE!!! This is why I say I don't want to do SD. Harsh as hell on the methyl and with gains you can get from a not so stressful compound. Someone convinced me it's not true and I bought a bottle when the ban hit. O well....whats 30 bucks.
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I love when someone writes something off based on one persons experience... :-D

SD had many good qualities one being that you get glycogen storage. Unfortunately you lose a lot of it after the run is over. He wants to keep unneeded bloat though?

I think sd is bad ass but I learned to use it as a dry recomp tool rather then a bloat of compound.
 
Whit what was your total weight gain again?
 
LiveToLift said:
I love when someone writes something off based on one persons experience... :-D

SD had many good qualities one being that you get glycogen storage. Unfortunately you lose a lot of it after the run is over. He wants to keep unneeded bloat though?

I think sd is bad ass but I learned to use it as a dry recomp tool rather then a bloat of compound.
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Sd is harsh. Its also the best oral out. Similar size to anadrol if you go carb heavy, better strength then anadrol and dbol, and in recomp/low carb mode you WILL dry out and end up DICED. It's becoming like testosterone to me, part of EVERY cycle. If you take your liver supports its amazing.
 
superbeast668 said:
Sd is harsh. Its also the best oral out. Similar size to anadrol if you go carb heavy, better strength then anadrol and dbol, and in recomp/low carb mode you WILL dry out and end up DICED. It's becoming like testosterone to me, part of EVERY cycle. If you take your liver supports its amazing.
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I agree, everyone wants to use it to gain 20 pounds of useless bloat when in a recomp you can gain 5+ lbs muscle and shed 5 in fat. I'll take the ladder!
 
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...I'd take a smaller quality weight gain then an extreme glycogen storage. Either the case....I'm hooked on Epistane like a crack whore. I gained 10lbs in 3 weeks. Could of been more if I simply fit in more calories. Next time I'll definitely have to include some high cal shakes.
 
whit, r you using creatine in your pct? its helping me keep that pumped look, nothing like on SD but enough to keep my ego happy. LOL
 
MadmanMike said:
whit, r you using creatine in your pct? its helping me keep that pumped look, nothing like on SD but enough to keep my ego happy. LOL
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Yes I am taking Creatine mono, but not religiously. Only 5 grams before workout where I wanted to be at 10g a day. It does help a bit with some water retention causing a more fuller look, but yeah nothing even close to KING SD!!
 
UPDATE!!!! My gym just closed yesterday so seeked out another local gym next town over for some new motivation. Im really pumped for a change. Can't wait to kill some shoulders and tris and seek out some ladys lol. I'm in full flex mode today!! My old gym is moving to a bigger and better facility which may take a few months.
 
Here's my new dungeon!


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I freakin love it. So much more equipment than my old gym. Owner is awesome and welcomed me with a smiles. Only issue is that the dumbbells only go to 120lb. I mentioned to get some big boy dumbs to him and he laughed and said I couldn't name one person who could lift 150's with proper form and I said hello, my name is Tim, you have finally met the first lol!!

I'm pumped in this new environment. Here's a new pic two weeks into pct at 208lb. Water weight is gone and feeling great and revitalized


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wrxwhit said:
Here's my new dungeon!

<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67126"/>

I freakin love it. So much more equipment than my old gym. Owner is awesome and welcomed me with a smiles. Only issue is that the dumbbells only go to 120lb. I mentioned to get some big boy dumbs to him and he laughed and said I couldn't name one person who could lift 150's with proper form and I said hello, my name is Tim, you have finally met the first lol!!

I'm pumped in this new environment. Here's a new pic two weeks into pct at 208lb. Water weight is gone and feeling great and revitalized

<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67130"/>
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Awesome bro I've been at my gym for 5 years now...they treat me well and everyone knows me but our weight room is pretty nice...not the best but it gets the job done for sure...also awesome man! You haven't lost any LBM by the look of that pic!! Epic
 
haha....150's.....


Keeping your gains hu....you mentioned you lost allot of water weight judging by the scale....visually you look the same....unless I need to see the pics side by side ....but looks like you still got plenty of gains.
 
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