Whisky’s test e, tbol, liquidien and winny cycle log

[Chados]

Definitely trying to maintain at the moment, made the mistake of cutting straight after my trest epistane cycle and totally tanked my t. Was a schoolboy error.

I’m not planning to cut until march at the earliest....

Just for full disclosure, that sausage sandwich is made with chicken sausages, bacon medallions and two thin slices of a homemade whole meal and rye bread....still not optimal but not quite as bad as it first sounds lol

That's definitely better. That meal must be around 100 gr of Protein?

 

[Whisky]

That's definitely better. That meal must be around 100 gr of Protein?

Na comes in at 58g, the chicken sausages are chipolatas so a bit smaller

 

[Whisky]

Update at 4 weeks since last pin......

Been making an effort to pull carbs down slightly. Pulled Cals back from 4K to 3.8k - my normal sort of maintenance levels (at this bodyweight possibly slightly under).

Been doing hiit training the last few days (away with work, had access to decent hiit sessions but no real proper gym) and that’s been a nice change up. Naturally I’ve always gone hard in hiit type efforts so I know I get something from it.

My conditioning is surprisingly good for the weight really. My morning runs are not far off the pace I run at 20lbs lighter.

Mentally I’m still doing ok, feel sharp enough and don’t seem to have any normonal issues.

Libido dropped off for sure now. Back to where I was for the 2 years before I started any ph or aas - basically enjoying sex, always up for sex but not always thinking about or desperate for sex. Prior to that and through my teens and twenties I had a crazy high sex drive and it was like reliving old times on cycle that’s for sure.

Work is a bit quieter next week so I’m really focusing on trying to hit some good training sessions - need to progress my strength back up before I even start thinking about a summer cut.

I am sore af these days though, missing the mk for sure, Can’t stress how beneficial that was for recovery.

 

[MrKleen73]

Great quick article on how to hookgrip that helped me smoke that 600 last Monday:

https://kabukistrength.com/guide-h...uY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSHFlZkE1In0=

Gonna have to look at this myself. I have a hell of a time with hook grip because my hands and or fingers are not very long. I can barely get my finger over my thumb when grabbing the bar.

I was hoping I'd had something to really point out but your diet is fairly clean darn it!

I'm gonna try to critizise the best that I can though. You probably eat too much calories simple as that.

I look a meal 5 that looks tasty as hell by the way and I see bacon which definitely can be used in bodybuilding but isn't optimal especially with the fruit on the side and 500gr of Greek yoghurt which I don't eat often personally but I believe it has quite a lot of plain sugar depending on brand some have 3gr some 6. When you eat (bad fats) and stack then with fruit sugar or plain sugar its arguably the easiest way to add fat and here's where meal timing comes in. Remember that we're all different and we use different amount of energy etc so don't just take my words and think this is gonna be optimal for you.

Plain sugar, fruits is probably better to eat by itself after a workout. Separating high amounts of fats and carbs could be the best option.

Example, breakfast oats and eggs

Workout, Fruit and a pshake/bcaa/creatine etc

Snack, half of the nuts

Meal 1, chicken and rice

Meal 2, bacon and sausage (not the best but hey, gotta enjoy yourself)

Meal 3, (about the same as meal 1)

Snack 2, the rest of the nuts and cottage cheese/Greek yoghurt

Just put out a random schedule but you see my point. High carbs and high protein one meal and high fat high protein the other. When your done with the cycle you should definitely go down on the protein, 400gr is really high.

I have no doubt you'll covering the muscle part but as you said not adding fat can be tricky of course when you're gaining weight. Maybe go down to around 3500 calories and have Greek yoghurt with fruits as a dessert after training. I don't see a problem with having fruits and yoghurt but when you add sausage and bacon next to it it's just a bad combination.

Also when you're on steroids you really can get away with much more so now during pct you'll end up with more cortisol which will also affect you negatively.

Lots of good suggestions here as far as meal timing. However the wives tale about not eating fat and carbs together is kind of old school but it still works even though the practice is not backed by science.

On average it takes saturated fat about 3 hours to enter the blood stream after ingestion. Some other fats go a little faster, the fastest is MCT Oil or Coconut Oil at 1 hour. Other vegetable oils and what not are going to be around the 90-180 minute range from what I remember. So the storeable fats eaten with that fruit are not even likely to have entered the blood stream before the insulin spike from the fruit is over. So that is really not a legitimate concern. Interestingly enough, fruit or higher carbs at the following meal might be more likely to assist in storing fat as that is when the saturated fats will be in the system and available to be stored due to the insulin release.

All other forms of fat have to be converted to be stored so they are not likely to be stored from that meal either.

Not putting any holes in your suggestions by the way, they will most definitely get him there and well. Just might actually be more strict than needed.

I would not really bulk if I were you... your fat cells are just begging to be refilled, they want to be full. Add to that the increase in estrogen from the gear, and fat gain becomes more likely because it definitely has an effect. If you plan to try to get lean for the summer you should start a recomp process now, and just take the time to recomp into the shape you want. This way you do not really lose the muscle mass and have to rebuild from an emaciated place. After you reach your ideal composition then gradually increase calories MAYBE 100 cals a week, and then if you notice you get soft after one week you back up to the last level for another week or two then go back up. Gradually you will gain good clean size this way without spending half the year in a shape you are unhappy with.

You might consider figuring out your maintenance then try a 20 under and 20 over split alternating every day regardless of training and I bet you see some decent recomp, and at maintenance because you are using specificity of burning, or building each day. It works really well, and since overall eating at maintenance there is no worry about muscle loss.

 

[Chados]

Gonna have to look at this myself. I have a hell of a time with hook grip because my hands and or fingers are not very long. I can barely get my finger over my thumb when grabbing the bar.



Lots of good suggestions here as far as meal timing. However the wives tale about not eating fat and carbs together is kind of old school but it still works even though the practice is not backed by science.

On average it takes saturated fat about 3 hours to enter the blood stream after ingestion. Some other fats go a little faster, the fastest is MCT Oil or Coconut Oil at 1 hour. Other vegetable oils and what not are going to be around the 90-180 minute range from what I remember. So the storeable fats eaten with that fruit are not even likely to have entered the blood stream before the insulin spike from the fruit is over. So that is really not a legitimate concern. Interestingly enough, fruit or higher carbs at the following meal might be more likely to assist in storing fat as that is when the saturated fats will be in the system and available to be stored due to the insulin release.

All other forms of fat have to be converted to be stored so they are not likely to be stored from that meal either.

Not putting any holes in your suggestions by the way, they will most definitely get him there and well. Just might actually be more strict than needed.

I would not really bulk if I were you... your fat cells are just begging to be refilled, they want to be full. Add to that the increase in estrogen from the gear, and fat gain becomes more likely because it definitely has an effect. If you plan to try to get lean for the summer you should start a recomp process now, and just take the time to recomp into the shape you want. This way you do not really lose the muscle mass and have to rebuild from an emaciated place. After you reach your ideal composition then gradually increase calories MAYBE 100 cals a week, and then if you notice you get soft after one week you back up to the last level for another week or two then go back up. Gradually you will gain good clean size this way without spending half the year in a shape you are unhappy with.

You might consider figuring out your maintenance then try a 20 under and 20 over split alternating every day regardless of training and I bet you see some decent recomp, and at maintenance because you are using specificity of burning, or building each day. It works really well, and since overall eating at maintenance there is no worry about muscle loss.

Interesting take i must say. Maybe I'm over thinking with the fats and carbs but what we do know is that they don't always go well together. Saturated fats really aren't needed at all and while it's fine having a little, the more you can stay away from it the better. I also find fast sugar to be more for people who doesn't eat enough and has to get a fast source after the gym. I personally believe in keeping the bloodsugar as stable as possible and never go hungry. Diets are hard to get perfectly because metabolism is mostly about the same for people even heavier than yourself, I think it's around 100calories/ 20 lbs granted we all have different musclemass, do different cardio, workouts, diets, have different jobs etc which all affect this metabolism from 100 to sometimes 1000.


All that being said, fruit is not a bad thing but maybe the amount and having all at once, especially when you're not in need of the sugar at that moment.

Anyways what you just said is sort of a relief to me haha. I'm gonna read up on that a little.

 

[Whisky]

Gonna have to look at this myself. I have a hell of a time with hook grip because my hands and or fingers are not very long. I can barely get my finger over my thumb when grabbing the bar.



Lots of good suggestions here as far as meal timing. However the wives tale about not eating fat and carbs together is kind of old school but it still works even though the practice is not backed by science.

On average it takes saturated fat about 3 hours to enter the blood stream after ingestion. Some other fats go a little faster, the fastest is MCT Oil or Coconut Oil at 1 hour. Other vegetable oils and what not are going to be around the 90-180 minute range from what I remember. So the storeable fats eaten with that fruit are not even likely to have entered the blood stream before the insulin spike from the fruit is over. So that is really not a legitimate concern. Interestingly enough, fruit or higher carbs at the following meal might be more likely to assist in storing fat as that is when the saturated fats will be in the system and available to be stored due to the insulin release.

All other forms of fat have to be converted to be stored so they are not likely to be stored from that meal either.

Not putting any holes in your suggestions by the way, they will most definitely get him there and well. Just might actually be more strict than needed.

I would not really bulk if I were you... your fat cells are just begging to be refilled, they want to be full. Add to that the increase in estrogen from the gear, and fat gain becomes more likely because it definitely has an effect. If you plan to try to get lean for the summer you should start a recomp process now, and just take the time to recomp into the shape you want. This way you do not really lose the muscle mass and have to rebuild from an emaciated place. After you reach your ideal composition then gradually increase calories MAYBE 100 cals a week, and then if you notice you get soft after one week you back up to the last level for another week or two then go back up. Gradually you will gain good clean size this way without spending half the year in a shape you are unhappy with.

You might consider figuring out your maintenance then try a 20 under and 20 over split alternating every day regardless of training and I bet you see some decent recomp, and at maintenance because you are using specificity of burning, or building each day. It works really well, and since overall eating at maintenance there is no worry about muscle loss.

Appreciate the input as always bro.

And yep I agree a maintaince calorie spell with recomp as an aim is the way forward. When I mention getting my strength back up the intention wasn’t to lean bulk, I’m thinking that drop off is purely through my inability to recruit the fibres rather than any muscle loss. I know I’ll be unlikely to get to peak cycle strength but 90% of my best on cycle is the aim......

Depending on where I get to over the next 2-3 months will dictate whether my next cycle is a straight cut or a recomp. I’ve got an exciting cutting option on the way via the generousity of PoStiveflow and already have nano 1-t and nanodrol (msten) in a drawer waiting to be used. I’m certainly looking to adopt a more slow and steady approach though, want to make sure I’m fully recovered each time before jumping to the next goal.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Update at 4 weeks since last pin......

Been making an effort to pull carbs down slightly. Pulled Cals back from 4K to 3.8k - my normal sort of maintenance levels (at this bodyweight possibly slightly under).

Been doing hiit training the last few days (away with work, had access to decent hiit sessions but no real proper gym) and that’s been a nice change up. Naturally I’ve always gone hard in hiit type efforts so I know I get something from it.

My conditioning is surprisingly good for the weight really. My morning runs are not far off the pace I run at 20lbs lighter.

Mentally I’m still doing ok, feel sharp enough and don’t seem to have any normonal issues.

Libido dropped off for sure now. Back to where I was for the 2 years before I started any ph or aas - basically enjoying sex, always up for sex but not always thinking about or desperate for sex. Prior to that and through my teens and twenties I had a crazy high sex drive and it was like reliving old times on cycle that’s for sure.

Work is a bit quieter next week so I’m really focusing on trying to hit some good training sessions - need to progress my strength back up before I even start thinking about a summer cut.

I am sore af these days though, missing the mk for sure, Can’t stress how beneficial that was for recovery.

Yeah miss MK-677 too. But going full Natty has made me adjust to eat more, to better adjust sleep and PTC recovery - recovery more old fashioned.

Sans that pre like Radiate+ gotta have that cold lemonade energy and focus. No creatine, which I prefer.

Doing more medium weight, higher rep pump chasing. More push pull large to small muscle groups, less steroid exhausted pyramid sets...

Feel good, upto just shy 200lbs. Think my pituitary and HPTA all good now, after 3 years cycles... Liver near norms, kidney though... In progress, gave my Choas and Pain Ferox stock to my bud from University, getting back into lifting, can't have creatine in my pre anymore bummer.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Appreciate the input as always bro.

And yep I agree a maintaince calorie spell with recomp as an aim is the way forward. When I mention getting my strength back up the intention wasn’t to lean bulk, I’m thinking that drop off is purely through my inability to recruit the fibres rather than any muscle loss. I know I’ll be unlikely to get to peak cycle strength but 90% of my best on cycle is the aim......

Depending on where I get to over the next 2-3 months will dictate whether my next cycle is a straight cut or a recomp. I’ve got an exciting cutting option on the way via the generousity of PoStiveflow and already have nano 1-t and nanodrol (msten) in a drawer waiting to be used. I’m certainly looking to adopt a more slow and steady approach though, want to make sure I’m fully recovered each time before jumping to the next goal.

Thanks for the shout out, my board friends are gonna be jacked and cut, gonna be fun to witness.

 

[Whisky]

Yo AM,

Just a quick update as it’s more of the same here.

Wouldn’t say it’s been a rough pct at all but did feel a bit ‘off’ a week back, mood etc better now. Feels like I’m coming back in line with my natty hormones but bloods will confirm that or not in a month or so.

Feeling decent in the gym, my cardio performance continues to improve disputes maintenance of this weight.

I’ll get my end photos up in a week and be interesting to see what the view is on fat vs muscle gained.

But yeah, no real dramas here

Stay swole bro’s

 

[Godstrength]

Yo AM,

Just a quick update as it’s more of the same here.

Wouldn’t say it’s been a rough pct at all but did feel a bit ‘off’ a week back, mood etc better now. Feels like I’m coming back in line with my natty hormones but bloods will confirm that or not in a month or so.

Feeling decent in the gym, my cardio performance continues to improve disputes maintenance of this weight.

I’ll get my end photos up in a week and be interesting to see what the view is on fat vs muscle gained.

But yeah, no real dramas here

Stay swole bro’s

Thats about right... Funny how it takes a good 3-4 weeks after coming off before you really kinda tank out. I used to think like 2-3 weeks in how awesome it was that I hadnt lost any strength and little size. Thinking I was gonna get to keep it all only to have the rug pulled around week 4

I honestly think about 1-2 weeks after cycle was my favorite because all the water/glycogen drops off and you can see all that new muscle....

Only now I stay on and dont come off(trt dose at least). I just started a low dose test and primo cycle. I'm excited about it. Prob be a longer cycle where I continually bump up the primo and will prob add an oral at some point.

I see B+C in your future man... You love it too much and the cycles take their toll after a while.

 

[Chados]

Thats about right... Funny how it takes a good 3-4 weeks after coming off before you really kinda tank out. I used to think like 2-3 weeks in how awesome it was that I hadnt lost any strength and little size. Thinking I was gonna get to keep it all only to have the rug pulled around week 4

I honestly think about 1-2 weeks after cycle was my favorite because all the water/glycogen drops off and you can see all that new muscle....

Only now I stay on and dont come off(trt dose at least). I just started a low dose test and primo cycle. I'm excited about it. Prob be a longer cycle where I continually bump up the primo and will prob add an oral at some point.

I see B+C in your future man... You love it too much and the cycles take their toll after a while.

1-2 weeks is when you're at the peak athletically, more explosive etc according to Victor conte (guy who helped athletes cheat during the balco era)

 

[Whisky]

Thats about right... Funny how it takes a good 3-4 weeks after coming off before you really kinda tank out. I used to think like 2-3 weeks in how awesome it was that I hadnt lost any strength and little size. Thinking I was gonna get to keep it all only to have the rug pulled around week 4

I honestly think about 1-2 weeks after cycle was my favorite because all the water/glycogen drops off and you can see all that new muscle....

Only now I stay on and dont come off(trt dose at least). I just started a low dose test and primo cycle. I'm excited about it. Prob be a longer cycle where I continually bump up the primo and will prob add an oral at some point.

I see B+C in your future man... You love it too much and the cycles take their toll after a while.

Haha, I do love the juice, this is true.

I never rule anything out to be honest, if I can recover test back to decent levels then I’d probably rather delay trt for a bit but it’s likely where I’ll end up.

I’ve still got a huge amount to learn about how my body reacts to compounds as well. Definitely feel like I’ve got more progress to come when I figure out what diet + aas will give me the results I want

 

[Hyde]

1-2 weeks is when you're at the peak athletically, more explosive etc according to Victor conte (guy who helped athletes cheat during the balco era)

I know Josh Bryant, a famous powerlifting coach and youngest man to ever bench 600 raw, generally pulls his clients off cycle a week before comp. They still have all the strength from the cycle but blood pressure and cramping get way better, and it’s easier to make weight. Better endurance through the contest and less winding.

 

[Chados]

I know Josh Bryant, a famous powerlifting coach and youngest man to ever bench 600 raw, generally pulls his clients off cycle a week before comp. They still have all the strength from the cycle but blood pressure and cramping get way better, and it’s easier to make weight. Better endurance through the contest and less winding.

Yup seems about right.

 

[Whisky]

Hey brothers,

So things all ok over here. Pct is pretty smooth now as I’m nearing the end. Feels like normality is there but bloods will tell.

Weight is maintaining at 224-225, so is the fat. But a 25lb gain has to be a decent chunk of lean mass surely.

Strength has levelled off (was decreasing at the end of cycle while still on to be fair), pulled 462 the other day so I’m significantly up from where I was at cycle start but I’m still aiming to increase back to somewhere between where I am now and where I got to on cycle.

Nothing else really to note. Started a Westside for skinny bastards training program as I like the structure and it should fit well with my next 6 weeks (next 6 weeks is a finish pct and just be natty, then bloods)

After that I’m planning a mk, cjc dac and hex pwo blast for a couple of months, to recover and get everything feeling great but also to start my summer recomp. Gonna throw radiate in the mix for that.

No idea what my summer recomp stack will be but I also had my Superdrol from ol arrive today so some crazy options (more likely to save that for a blast next xmas when I’m bulking).

Nanodrol, nano 1-t plus 300mg pw week test e I reckon is most likely but I’ve got time to plan and decide

 

[Hyde]

So many options, so many months before getting to use them lol

 

[Whisky]

So many options, so many months before getting to use them lol

According to tracking a tren/mast/test cut mix along with im winny, deca and oral winny are all in the uk and cleared the airport (and hopefully customs).

But yeah I promised myself I’d be smart and take decent time off aas in between so they’ll be going in the cabinet for safe keeping.....

I’m assuming there’s no reason to not run the peptide stack though? If I understand it right there isn’t any impact on the sand natural hormone production as aas would have?

 

[Hyde]

According to tracking a tren/mast/test cut mix along with im winny, deca and oral winny are all in the uk and cleared the airport (and hopefully customs).

But yeah I promised myself I’d be smart and take decent time off aas in between so they’ll be going in the cabinet for safe keeping.....

I’m assuming there’s no reason to not run the peptide stack though? If I understand it right there isn’t any impact on the sand natural hormone production as aas would have?

Right, as long as your blood glucose can take the hit (which is going to be user-specific as well as diet-responsive anyway).

But test production will be unaffected.

 

[Chados]

According to tracking a tren/mast/test cut mix along with im winny, deca and oral winny are all in the uk and cleared the airport (and hopefully customs).

But yeah I promised myself I’d be smart and take decent time off aas in between so they’ll be going in the cabinet for safe keeping.....

I’m assuming there’s no reason to not run the peptide stack though? If I understand it right there isn’t any impact on the sand natural hormone production as aas would have?

How much tren test etc would this mix be? Tren is tricky cause it eats food. It's one of a kind really. The mass you can put on with the right diet is pretty crazy and it's not gonna be sloppy.

 

[Whisky]

How much tren test etc would this mix be? Tren is tricky cause it eats food. It's one of a kind really. The mass you can put on with the right diet is pretty crazy and it's not gonna be sloppy.

It’s 75mg mast p, 75mg tren ace and 100mg test p.

The test prop I assume should give me less bloat (especially with the mast in there) and I’d be confident that I’d recomp well of that. Thinking I’d need to pin eod or e3d. I’d have enough for an 8 week run at that level.

Tren ace is the only way I’d run tren to start with, just too much too lose if I it screws me up so the short esther appeals

 

[Chados]

It’s 75mg mast p, 75mg tren ace and 100mg test p.

The test prop I assume should give me less bloat (especially with the mast in there) and I’d be confident that I’d recomp well of that. Thinking I’d need to pin eod or e3d. I’d have enough for an 8 week run at that level.

Tren ace is the only way I’d run tren to start with, just too much too lose if I it screws me up so the short esther appeals

What will keep you from adding water is the tren, compared to mast its like Usain bolt vs an average man doing a sprint

 

[Whisky]

What will keep you from adding water is the tren, compared to mast its like Usain bolt vs an average man doing a sprint

Haha, sounds good to me.....

There may be a slight change as I may take a few months out to conduct some in vitro research on that new oil based sr9009 from MA. Ordered it and if during the course of that research I lean out some my goals for my next run might change. So many options and fun things to play with lol

 

[Chados]

Haha, sounds good to me.....

There may be a slight change as I may take a few months out to conduct some in vitro research on that new oil based sr9009 from MA. Ordered it and if during the course of that research I lean out some my goals for my next run might change. So many options and fun things to play with lol

Not that interests me. Kinda hard to tell what does what tho

 

[Whisky]

So we are nearing the end of pct (last week next week) and it’s been largely uneventful.

I feel fine, I’m still 222lbs so most of the weight I finished the cycle with is still there. Certainly a lot more fat gain than I hoped for which I need to factor into future plans.

Strength is the same as when I finished the cycle, lower than peak on cycle but higher than when I started (it should be, I’m much heavier).

Currently watching a tracking update to see when a package leaves customs lol always fun

 

[Chados]

So we are nearing the end of pct (last week next week) and it’s been largely uneventful.

I feel fine, I’m still 222lbs so most of the weight I finished the cycle with is still there. Certainly a lot more fat gain than I hoped for which I need to factor into future plans.

Strength is the same as when I finished the cycle, lower than peak on cycle but higher than when I started (it should be, I’m much heavier).

Currently watching a tracking update to see when a package leaves customs lol always fun

Maybe you wanna try work out every muscle group twice a week on cycle. It's heavy but i think with your protein intake and the fact you gained that much weight it could be worth it. What I'm saying is that I believe you eat enough and (beyond) what you actually need. I do this sometimes even when not on gear.

That being said don't stay for hours at the gym, don't rest much and go 1-1.5 hours.

Example

Monday back and chest
Tuesday shoulders and arms
Wednesday legs
Thursday rest
Friday back and chest
Saturday shoulders and arms
Sunday legs

Throw in abs on the Thursday or at night. Some might say it's too much, it's not.. Definitely not on gear and with a high calorie intake.

 

[Whisky]

Maybe you wanna try work out every muscle group twice a week on cycle. It's heavy but i think with your protein intake and the fact you gained that much weight it could be worth it. What I'm saying is that I believe you eat enough and (beyond) what you actually need. I do this sometimes even when not on gear.

That being said don't stay for hours at the gym, don't rest much and go 1-1.5 hours.

Example

Monday back and chest
Tuesday shoulders and arms
Wednesday legs
Thursday rest
Friday back and chest
Saturday shoulders and arms
Sunday legs

Throw in abs on the Thursday or at night. Some might say it's too much, it's not.. Definitely not on gear and with a high calorie intake.

Yeah that’s a good shout brother. I definitely think my next lean bulk has to follow something more like that plan (with a hyperthrophy focus).

 

[Chados]

Yeah that’s a good shout brother. I definitely think my next lean bulk has to follow something more like that plan (with a hyperthrophy focus).

I mean why not right? You could always go back if it gets too hard on the body but it's really hard to actually overtrain on that much gear and with growth hormones on top of that.

 

[Whisky]

I mean why not right? You could always go back if it gets too hard on the body but it's really hard to actually overtrain on that much gear and with growth hormones on top of that.

I’ve always seemed to respond better to 5-6 days a week for training. Lots of guys say 4 but I seem to plateau. Overtraining wouldn’t be a concern especially if I’m in the 8-12 rep range bracket. I only tend to break down if I overload 1-3 (maybe 5) rep ranges for a sustained period it seems......

 

[Whisky]

I mean why not right? You could always go back if it gets too hard on the body but it's really hard to actually overtrain on that much gear and with growth hormones on top of that.

I’ve always seemed to respond better to 5-6 days a week for training. Lots of guys say 4 but I seem to plateau. Overtraining wouldn’t be a concern especially if I’m in the 8-12 rep range bracket. I only tend to break down if I overload 1-3 (maybe 5) rep ranges for a sustained period it seems......

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Turn it into a PHAT protocol. Weekly load progressions with the heavy days & monthly progressions with the accessory or light days. This way you are definitely fully stimulating all muscle types weekly.

Also, another informative and awesome log dude. Looking forward to the next run!

 

[Godstrength]

Turn it into a PHAT protocol. Weekly load progressions with the heavy days & monthly progressions with the accessory or light days. This way you are definitely fully stimulating all muscle types weekly.

Also, another informative and awesome log dude. Looking forward to the next run!

Funny I'm running PHAT right now and was going to suggest that also. 5 day split working each body part 2x per week. 2 heavy days 3 hypertrophy days.

My strength is definitely going up!

 

[Whisky]

Turn it into a PHAT protocol. Weekly load progressions with the heavy days & monthly progressions with the accessory or light days. This way you are definitely fully stimulating all muscle types weekly.

Also, another informative and awesome log dude. Looking forward to the next run!

Thanks mate.

My first ph cycle I used a phat protocol and liked it. Made good gains.....

 

[MrKleen73]

Congrats on maintaining the weight Whisky. So is the SR9009 oil based version still an oral? It worked great for me as a a TD, even when i took the IM version I was asked to test and put it in Salvo it worked great. It will make you a bit light sensitive for a little bit, and you will not need anything for energy at all. You just feel like you are "in the zone" all day. I was running about 7-10mg a day with good success during the end of the No resolution challenge...

At least that is what my rat told me...

 

[Whisky]

Congrats on maintaining the weight Whisky. So is the SR9009 oil based version still an oral? It worked great for me as a a TD, even when i took the IM version I was asked to test and put it in Salvo it worked great. It will make you a bit light sensitive for a little bit, and you will not need anything for energy at all. You just feel like you are "in the zone" all day. I was running about 7-10mg a day with good success during the end of the No resolution challenge...

At least that is what my rat told me...

No it’s an injectable, not that I’ll be injecting it. I’m lead to believe it’s in vitro research only so that’s what I’ll be doing.....I will probably use the thread to just update on my progress with life post pct and with nothing new aside from the research going on

 

[Chados]

Congrats on maintaining the weight Whisky. So is the SR9009 oil based version still an oral? It worked great for me as a a TD, even when i took the IM version I was asked to test and put it in Salvo it worked great. It will make you a bit light sensitive for a little bit, and you will not need anything for energy at all. You just feel like you are "in the zone" all day. I was running about 7-10mg a day with good success during the end of the No resolution challenge...

At least that is what my rat told me...

Light sensitive? Another S4?. Thankfully I didn't notice that with S4 so maybe I'd be fine with this haha. Seems like a great compound, ever used cardarine? If so how do they compare? I only used oral version of sr which apparently sucks and I didn't notice anything

 

[Chados]

Funny I'm running PHAT right now and was going to suggest that also. 5 day split working each body part 2x per week. 2 heavy days 3 hypertrophy days.

My strength is definitely going up!

Arguably even as a natural it's more effective working out twice. I think what it really dials down to is the calorie intake for growth. 3 days on 1 day off is probably the best way to do it tho.

 

[Whisky]

Final Report (second post on the thread has finishing pictures)

Ok AM, time to bring this thread to a close. Pct finished on Thursday, gw ran out same day (co incidence) and with no being on mk I’m 100% natty for the first time in over a year.

Weight this morning was 223 so I’ve basically kept a weight gain of 24lbs through pct (it’s a lot of fat though)

Pct has been pretty smooth, couple of rough days maybe but the hcg appears to have helped (been easier than my trest epi pct anyway).

Highlights

- pinning, mentally that was a massive hurdle cleared

- the combo of test, tbol and dien was a beautiful thing, strength was going up crazy amounts.

- lifting wise I hit 374 for 5 on squat, 473 for 5 on dead and 253 for 5 on bench. All massive prs and whilst I made pr’s on all my one reps I didn’t test them when I was at my strongest (or even close to my strongest).

- lack of sides. Really really minimal, only noticable one was the massive amount of water I seemed to have at one point. I guess the nipple sensitivity that dlared up counts but the caber did a great job. Certainly nothing that gave me issues anyway. It all felt very sound throughout.

- libido . Wow that this unbelievable, trest was good but this cycle plus the caber and I was just insanely horny all the time. To steal a Swimfan expression I was beating my meat like it stole from me. My missus was getting it left right and centre.

Negatives

- fat gained. I seemed to gain this in the first two weeks as my body has looked similar since that point (thought it was all water, it wasn’t although there was a lot of that too). My working assumption is that I amoratise easily and that as a former fatty when I do I am very susceptible to fat gain.

- strength loss whilst on cycle. I started losing strength in the last 4 weeks and maintained where it dropped to in pct- but weirdly a big strength drop.

- training plan. This was my biggest error. Just tried to overload on big lifts for a 16 week cycle. I’m not able to handle that, next time I’ll be working on 2 eight week training periods with a 1rm test and program reset inbetween them.

- winny. Now the brand I had isn’t great for orals according to someone else who’s run their dbol.test is good but the orals less so. Can only think it was under as it really didn’t do much for me.


Overall though I’ve loved this cycle. There was some magical weeks on and I’ve learnt masses that will help me run better cycles for me in the future. I’ll definitively drop my test dose and just use a trt amount down the line with probably eq. Bloods on cycle also gave me a good insight.

Did I achieve the look I wanted, no not at all but as long as my 24lb gain contains some decent lean mass then I’ll cut in a few months and should come into summer looking better than last year.

Thanks to all who followed and supported, the input of the guys and girls on AM is incredible and helps us inexperienced guys run gear in a responsible and safe way.
hairygrandpa - special shout out for the call on using caber when I did get some nipple sensitivity. Sorted that out plus I got to know what a pornstar feels like into the equation lol

 

[DemntedCowboy]

There is only start and mid cycle pics up. Where they at. Lol
Edit: Never mind. I'm just to fast

 

[Whisky]

There is only start and mid cycle pics up. Where they at. Lol
Edit: Never mind. I'm just to fast

Lol, yeah I’m not the quickest at editing

 

[Hyde]

A great learning experience and a bunch of PRs - great cycle and log!

 

[MrKleen73]

No it’s an injectable, not that I’ll be injecting it. I’m lead to believe it’s in vitro research only so that’s what I’ll be doing.....I will probably use the thread to just update on my progress with life post pct and with nothing new aside from the research going on

Oh no, it is most definitely very functional via Transdermal application. I hope the oil is less painful than the solvent they used for the IM research, my Rat tried in 3 different locations then refused to allow himself to be injected again. Since he had great results on the TD I ended up putting in in some Salvo, and WHALA, perfect!

Light sensitive? Another S4?. Thankfully I didn't notice that with S4 so maybe I'd be fine with this haha. Seems like a great compound, ever used cardarine? If so how do they compare? I only used oral version of sr which apparently sucks and I didn't notice anything

I have researched Cardarine also and I would say that the subject was FAR MORE ENERGETIC with the SR9009, and it seemed that the fat loss was faster.

A great learning experience and a bunch of PRs - great cycle and log!

Agreed!

 

[Chados]

Oh no, it is most definitely very functional via Transdermal application. I hope the oil is less painful than the solvent they used for the IM research, my Rat tried in 3 different locations then refused to allow himself to be injected again. Since he had great results on the TD I ended up putting in in some Salvo, and WHALA, perfect!


I have researched Cardarine also and I would say that the subject was FAR MORE ENERGETIC with the SR9009, and it seemed that the fat loss was faster.

Agreed!

Yeah it seems like it at least should be quicker energy and fatloss should be better. More a pre workout than cardarine. I've gotten in to cluster dextrin lately, every tried it? Pretty interesting source of carbs but expensive

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah it seems like it at least should be quicker energy and fatloss should be better. More a pre workout than cardarine. I've gotten in to cluster dextrin lately, every tried it? Pretty interesting source of carbs but expensive

With the TD anyway it lasts so much longer than a preworkout. I dosed the subject first thing in the AM and did not slow down much for 10-14 hours off of 10-20mg depending on how much used it lasted just as long just more intense effects.

As far as the light sensitivity not like S4, that also turned things yellow if I remember correctly. With this the color does not change, just for instance at night on coming head lights, or in your rearview mirror are noticeable brighter, somewhere in between normal and having the brights on. It takes a few weeks after you get off for it to go all the way away, but it did. Wasn't severe enough to keep me from researching it a 2nd time recently.

 

[Godstrength]

With the TD anyway it lasts so much longer than a preworkout. I dosed the subject first thing in the AM and did not slow down much for 10-14 hours off of 10-20mg depending on how much used it lasted just as long just more intense effects.

As far as the light sensitivity not like S4, that also turned things yellow if I remember correctly. With this the color does not change, just for instance at night on coming head lights, or in your rearview mirror are noticeable brighter, somewhere in between normal and having the brights on. It takes a few weeks after you get off for it to go all the way away, but it did. Wasn't severe enough to keep me from researching it a 2nd time recently.

What type of energy? Natural feeling or more stim like or? How did you feel mentally?

 

[MrKleen73]

What type of energy? Natural feeling or more stim like or? How did you feel mentally?

Hmmmm. Great question... natural but not. Maybe Super natural...

I would best describe it as having a steady current of energy flowing through you. You feel the urge to move and be active. Its like the body has energy coursing through it begging to be used. Kind of like being "in the zone" but amplified. So as much energy as a stimulant but with a very natural feel to it, but so abundant that you know it can not be natural.

You will be more productive in almost any activity you do. None of the discomfort, aggitation, or edginess that comes with a stimulant. You just have an abundant and driving energy. Energy that is like a river current forcing you to move.

 

[Godstrength]

Hmmmm. Great question... natural but not. Maybe Super natural...

I would best describe it as having a steady current of energy flowing through you. You feel the urge to move and be active. Its like the body has energy coursing through it begging to be used. Kind of like being "in the zone" but amplified. So as much energy as a stimulant but with a very natural feel to it, but so abundant that you know it can not be natural.

You will be more productive in almost any activity you do. None of the discomfort, aggitation, or edginess that comes with a stimulant. You just have an abundant and driving energy. Energy that is like a river current forcing you to move.

Okay so let me be a little more specific this way is it more of a physical energy or do you feel a mental energy with it as well? Sounds great if you're trying to recomp or lose fat. I really know very little about this compound I am intrigued. How safe is it?

By the way man I saw your pics in your thread awesome work man... That's the body most people aspire to have but never reach it it's pretty cool that you got some pictures being that lean and jacked.

 

[Whisky]

Hmmmm. Great question... natural but not. Maybe Super natural...

I would best describe it as having a steady current of energy flowing through you. You feel the urge to move and be active. Its like the body has energy coursing through it begging to be used. Kind of like being "in the zone" but amplified. So as much energy as a stimulant but with a very natural feel to it, but so abundant that you know it can not be natural.

You will be more productive in almost any activity you do. None of the discomfort, aggitation, or edginess that comes with a stimulant. You just have an abundant and driving energy. Energy that is like a river current forcing you to move.

Sounds perfect for my current goals. Aiming to recomp between cycles. If 3 months down the line I’m much leaner my next cycle will be recomp, if I’m not it’ll be an all out cut. Not going to straight up cut off cycle though, too much strength loss last time.

I’ll be putting a research log up tomorrow

 

[Chados]

With the TD anyway it lasts so much longer than a preworkout. I dosed the subject first thing in the AM and did not slow down much for 10-14 hours off of 10-20mg depending on how much used it lasted just as long just more intense effects.

As far as the light sensitivity not like S4, that also turned things yellow if I remember correctly. With this the color does not change, just for instance at night on coming head lights, or in your rearview mirror are noticeable brighter, somewhere in between normal and having the brights on. It takes a few weeks after you get off for it to go all the way away, but it did. Wasn't severe enough to keep me from researching it a 2nd time recently.

Got you. I feel cardarine really enhance my performance so I might give it a try. I'm digging mk for fatloss, think growth hormone is extremely effective on me in general, I literally recomp after a week or two but maybe that has to do with the low bodyfat I'm at right now. It's also so much cheaper and probably safer than hgh.

I started using cluster dextrin and eaa intra workout and that helped immensely with recovery.

I was extremely impressed with S4 too, didn't get any vision sides and while it doesn't add muscles like winstrol or anavar it's damn close when it comes to lean out.

 

[Chados]

Okay so let me be a little more specific this way is it more of a physical energy or do you feel a mental energy with it as well? Sounds great if you're trying to recomp or lose fat. I really know very little about this compound I am intrigued. How safe is it?

By the way man I saw your pics in your thread awesome work man... That's the body most people aspire to have but never reach it it's pretty cool that you got some pictures being that lean and jacked.

Only tried the oral which apparently doesn't work lol. What he explains is somewhat how I felt on cardarine, just like you don't get tired when you normally would. Have you used cardarine by the way?

 

[Chados]

Oh no, it is most definitely very functional via Transdermal application. I hope the oil is less painful than the solvent they used for the IM research, my Rat tried in 3 different locations then refused to allow himself to be injected again. Since he had great results on the TD I ended up putting in in some Salvo, and WHALA, perfect!


I have researched Cardarine also and I would say that the subject was FAR MORE ENERGETIC with the SR9009, and it seemed that the fat loss was faster.

Agreed!

I wonder how cardarine would be IM. They both have amazing benefits for sure.