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Whisky’s test e, tbol, liquidien and winny cycle log

Whisky said:
Day 41

As above dosed some caber at 0.5 plus nolva at 40 to just get this little gyno flare up under control. Monitor and adjust from here.

Feel awesome generally through. Joints are in good shape and strength gains coming on really strong.

Was my last Friday on a 2 rep deadlift (switching it to sumo next week as that’s a weaker lift for me and I need to pull some lighter weight before I burn out my cns - will be keeping the heavy 5’s on tuesdays)

Anyway last week I put up 462 pretty well - built up with bigger jumps than normal, 440 for 2 felt decent so threw 484 on and smashed that up as well. Obviously felt heavy but I easy had one more messy rep or a higher weight really ugly double there. Really happy with the progress on this lift.

Was tight on time so hit a one rep push press at 198 (pressing is my weakness lol) and then a load of shoulder volume.

Away this weekend and smashing a load of food (intentionality just gonna eat whatever). Last day of tbol as well today.

Literally my only issue is just how much of this weight gain is lean mass and how much is fat. I’m eating exactly as I did on a 1/4/epiandro cycle (cardio is same level) and I got leaner on that cycle, I held a lot less water though so I could see it. This time it’s hard to tell as I just look fat but I know in theory I really shouldn’t have gained any (plus I looked the same as I do now after 1 week of cycle with abs gone - impossible for that to be a lot of fat gain).

Clen is a back up option but for now I’m gonna keep pushing the weights and the food and enjoy getting strong AF lol

Have a great weekend guys
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Awesome dude!
 
Day 42 - was away and took the extra rest day, ate like the world was due to end.

Day 43 - away this morning so hammered a hotel breakfast (proper expensive place so I think me shovelling down 2,000 Cals worth was probably unusual lol). Big lunch as well before I travelled back.

Trained this afternoon, I normally eat most of my calories after training so didn’t love the full feeling, also wasn’t mentally switched on after being away so wasn’t a great session.

Top set back squat was a 5 at 325, made it although used a belt. Looking back at the video it moved better than it felt to be fair.

Set of 5 bench at 231 is decent for me. Probably a 5 rep pr

Bit of incline bench just to put the extra carbs to use but struggled through that.

That’s what I love about being on cycle, even when your not mentally there you can still make your numbers....

Spent the rest of the day eating protein to try and keep that up as I’m way down on my usual 400g as things stand.....

Have a good week all
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I have been fighting gyno flare ups off/on for 1.5-2 years now. Seems when I change cycle or use Tren lately gives me a flare up... It was right nip in the past, lately left nip. But Exemestane 25mg daily seems to suppress the lump and it goes away after a week or so.

I only use Exemestane when flare up occurs then discontinue once under control. I haven't ran Caber, but if Exemestane ever did not work... I'd get that, I just avoided it this far, some claim it had nasty sides?
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I've never had any bad sides from caber just the oposite beter sleep and way beter sex and orgasms.
 
Do you have the energy to type down your diet whiskey?

And.. Is it the same diet or the same amount of calories as last cycle? My advice since you've been losing a ton of weight is to focus more on fats than carbs.

I don't think any of these you're running can me compared to winstrol so potential water will probably go away when running that.

Edit.. Had to go back and read. You have test at 450? And you added mk677.. Both can bloat you quite a lot in the first weeks. I think when it comes to diet you either go low carb high fat or high carb low fat.. Now when you have high protein and you have quite an amount of both fat and carbs it can be tricky as these two don't go well together.

Preferably cut down the carbs.
 
Chados said:
Do you have the energy to type down your diet whiskey?

And.. Is it the same diet or the same amount of calories as last cycle? My advice since you've been losing a ton of weight is to focus more on fats than carbs.

I don't think any of these you're running can me compared to winstrol so potential water will probably go away when running that.

Edit.. Had to go back and read. You have test at 450? And you added mk677.. Both can bloat you quite a lot in the first weeks. I think when it comes to diet you either go low carb high fat or high carb low fat.. Now when you have high protein and you have quite an amount of both fat and carbs it can be tricky as these two don't go well together.

Preferably cut down the carbs.
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Hey Chados, thanks for the input.

A normal day for me looks like:

Meal 1 - 100g oats, almond milk, 45g protein powder, dried fruit, nuts and/or seeds

Meal 2 - 2 eggs, 6 egg whites with mushroom, peppers and asparagus in an omelette, piece of salmon/chicken/tuna steak with it and some salad

While training - dried fruit, protein bar

Meal 3 - sweet potato, chilli, broccoli (or Thai green chicken curry with rice or similar, there’s always a carb source, protein and veg but it’s the family meal so varies the most)

Meal 4 - 200g prawns with stir fry veg

Meal 5 - chicken sausages in a wholemeal pitta with pickles (or tuna mixed with avocado in the pitta)

Meal 6 - bowl of fruit with Greek yoghurt and a protein bar or shake

I’ll snack on almonds or walnuts sometimes

I do use some seasonings, low/no sugar sauces, soy, fish sauce etc

Also around 400ml milk with coffee throughout the day

Use some zero calorie sweetener (stevia) as well

I track everything and hit min 350g protein (normally 400 plus), never more than 400g carb (normally 350) and around 100g fat.

My salt intake is pretty high plus I use creatine but that’s the same off cycle.

I do think my excess skin doesn’t help as I have more surface area under which to hold water......I don’t mind looking fat on cycle, it’s the not knowing if I’m gaining fat that’s frustrating.

On holiday I stopped mk (just forgot to pack it) and lost 4lbs within days, that came straight back on when I started it again. I can attribute around 13lbs of weight gain to water just from the cycle I think.

Blood pressure was a touch high for me the other day but not quite in high range (mine is normally absolutely spot on or low). Obviously keeping an eye on that.

I’m always happy enough cutting carbs but I do want to make sure I’m gaining muscle on this run. It’s an ongoing internal battle with my former fat self to eat enough to see the scale go up whilst looking fat again. But I do hope the winny flushes it out

I was planning to post midway pics in a few weeks so you’ll see the extent of the water lol
 
Chados said:
Do you have the energy to type down your diet whiskey?

And.. Is it the same diet or the same amount of calories as last cycle? My advice since you've been losing a ton of weight is to focus more on fats than carbs.

I don't think any of these you're running can me compared to winstrol so potential water will probably go away when running that.

Edit.. Had to go back and read. You have test at 450? And you added mk677.. Both can bloat you quite a lot in the first weeks. I think when it comes to diet you either go low carb high fat or high carb low fat.. Now when you have high protein and you have quite an amount of both fat and carbs it can be tricky as these two don't go well together.

Preferably cut down the carbs.
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Hey Chados, thanks for the input.

A normal day for me looks like:

Meal 1 - 100g oats, almond milk, 45g protein powder, dried fruit, nuts and/or seeds

Meal 2 - 2 eggs, 6 egg whites with mushroom, peppers and asparagus in an omelette, piece of salmon/chicken/tuna steak with it and some salad

While training - dried fruit, protein bar

Meal 3 - sweet potato, chilli, broccoli (or Thai green chicken curry with rice or similar, there’s always a carb source, protein and veg but it’s the family meal so varies the most)

Meal 4 - 200g prawns with stir fry veg

Meal 5 - chicken sausages in a wholemeal pitta with pickles (or tuna mixed with avocado in the pitta)

Meal 6 - bowl of fruit with Greek yoghurt and a protein bar or shake

I’ll snack on almonds or walnuts sometimes

I do use some seasonings, low/no sugar sauces, soy, fish sauce etc

Also around 400ml milk with coffee throughout the day

Use some zero calorie sweetener (stevia) as well

I track everything and hit min 350g protein (normally 400 plus), never more than 400g carb (normally 350) and around 100g fat.

My salt intake is pretty high plus I use creatine but that’s the same off cycle.

I do think my excess skin doesn’t help as I have more surface area under which to hold water......I don’t mind looking fat on cycle, it’s the not knowing if I’m gaining fat that’s frustrating.

On holiday I stopped mk (just forgot to pack it) and lost 4lbs within days, that came straight back on when I started it again. I can attribute around 13lbs of weight gain to water just from the cycle I think.

Blood pressure was a touch high for me the other day but not quite in high range (mine is normally absolutely spot on or low). Obviously keeping an eye on that.

I’m always happy enough cutting carbs but I do want to make sure I’m gaining muscle on this run. It’s an ongoing internal battle with my former fat self to eat enough to see the scale go up whilst looking fat again. But I do hope the winny flushes it out

I was planning to post midway pics in a few weeks so you’ll see the extent of the water lol
 
Whisky said:
Hey Chados, thanks for the input.

A normal day for me looks like:

Meal 1 - 100g oats, almond milk, 45g protein powder, dried fruit, nuts and/or seeds

Meal 2 - 2 eggs, 6 egg whites with mushroom, peppers and asparagus in an omelette, piece of salmon/chicken/tuna steak with it and some salad

While training - dried fruit, protein bar

Meal 3 - sweet potato, chilli, broccoli (or Thai green chicken curry with rice or similar, there’s always a carb source, protein and veg but it’s the family meal so varies the most)

Meal 4 - 200g prawns with stir fry veg

Meal 5 - chicken sausages in a wholemeal pitta with pickles (or tuna mixed with avocado in the pitta)

Meal 6 - bowl of fruit with Greek yoghurt and a protein bar or shake

I’ll snack on almonds or walnuts sometimes

I do use some seasonings, low/no sugar sauces, soy, fish sauce etc

Also around 400ml milk with coffee throughout the day

Use some zero calorie sweetener (stevia) as well

I track everything and hit min 350g protein (normally 400 plus), never more than 400g carb (normally 350) and around 100g fat.

My salt intake is pretty high plus I use creatine but that’s the same off cycle.

I do think my excess skin doesn’t help as I have more surface area under which to hold water......I don’t mind looking fat on cycle, it’s the not knowing if I’m gaining fat that’s frustrating.

On holiday I stopped mk (just forgot to pack it) and lost 4lbs within days, that came straight back on when I started it again. I can attribute around 13lbs of weight gain to water just from the cycle I think.

Blood pressure was a touch high for me the other day but not quite in high range (mine is normally absolutely spot on or low). Obviously keeping an eye on that.

I’m always happy enough cutting carbs but I do want to make sure I’m gaining muscle on this run. It’s an ongoing internal battle with my former fat self to eat enough to see the scale go up whilst looking fat again. But I do hope the winny flushes it out

I was planning to post midway pics in a few weeks so you’ll see the extent of the water lol
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Damn you eat clean then.. I can only put myself as an example here.. There's a difference between not adding fat and not losing and that's obvious but when I had a tren cycle at 400mg tren I ate 500gr of carbs and gained roughly 20lbs. I then looked leaner than before but I still felt puffy and not really lean because I added a little water and with that gain its hard for it to be all muscle.. The muscles made me look just as lean but undoubtedly I put on a bit fat. So I ran tren at 200 as a much milder cycle and I ended up at about the same weight as last time while actually burning fat. I went from 6 pack to 8 pack and my carbs were no more than 200gr a day often at 100gr.

Carbs just holds a lot of water and while I believe people can handle them better than others I still believe fat is more important for the muscle building process. As long as you have the energy during gym and you don't walk around hungry you don't need more carbs.

Obviously you know your body better than me and your weight loss was nothing but hard work and dedication. If this works for you don't stop it but as you said before helping another guy, change isn't always bad even if something else worked.
 
Whisky said:
Hey Chados, thanks for the input.

A normal day for me looks like:

Meal 1 - 100g oats, almond milk, 45g protein powder, dried fruit, nuts and/or seeds

Meal 2 - 2 eggs, 6 egg whites with mushroom, peppers and asparagus in an omelette, piece of salmon/chicken/tuna steak with it and some salad

While training - dried fruit, protein bar

Meal 3 - sweet potato, chilli, broccoli (or Thai green chicken curry with rice or similar, there’s always a carb source, protein and veg but it’s the family meal so varies the most)

Meal 4 - 200g prawns with stir fry veg

Meal 5 - chicken sausages in a wholemeal pitta with pickles (or tuna mixed with avocado in the pitta)

Meal 6 - bowl of fruit with Greek yoghurt and a protein bar or shake

I’ll snack on almonds or walnuts sometimes

I do use some seasonings, low/no sugar sauces, soy, fish sauce etc

Also around 400ml milk with coffee throughout the day

Use some zero calorie sweetener (stevia) as well

I track everything and hit min 350g protein (normally 400 plus), never more than 400g carb (normally 350) and around 100g fat.

My salt intake is pretty high plus I use creatine but that’s the same off cycle.

I do think my excess skin doesn’t help as I have more surface area under which to hold water......I don’t mind looking fat on cycle, it’s the not knowing if I’m gaining fat that’s frustrating.

On holiday I stopped mk (just forgot to pack it) and lost 4lbs within days, that came straight back on when I started it again. I can attribute around 13lbs of weight gain to water just from the cycle I think.

Blood pressure was a touch high for me the other day but not quite in high range (mine is normally absolutely spot on or low). Obviously keeping an eye on that.

I’m always happy enough cutting carbs but I do want to make sure I’m gaining muscle on this run. It’s an ongoing internal battle with my former fat self to eat enough to see the scale go up whilst looking fat again. But I do hope the winny flushes it out

I was planning to post midway pics in a few weeks so you’ll see the extent of the water lol
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Damn you eat clean then.. I can only put myself as an example here.. There's a difference between not adding fat and not losing and that's obvious but when I had a tren cycle at 400mg tren I ate 500gr of carbs and gained roughly 20lbs. I then looked leaner than before but I still felt puffy and not really lean because I added a little water and with that gain its hard for it to be all muscle.. The muscles made me look just as lean but undoubtedly I put on a bit fat. So I ran tren at 200 as a much milder cycle and I ended up at about the same weight as last time while actually burning fat. I went from 6 pack to 8 pack and my carbs were no more than 200gr a day often at 100gr.

Carbs just holds a lot of water and while I believe people can handle them better than others I still believe fat is more important for the muscle building process. As long as you have the energy during gym and you don't walk around hungry you don't need more carbs.

Obviously you know your body better than me and your weight loss was nothing but hard work and dedication. If this works for you don't stop it but as you said before helping another guy, change isn't always bad even if something else worked.
 
Chados said:
Damn you eat clean then.. I can only put myself as an example here.. There's a difference between not adding fat and not losing and that's obvious but when I had a tren cycle at 400mg tren I ate 500gr of carbs and gained roughly 20lbs. I then looked leaner than before but I still felt puffy and not really lean because I added a little water and with that gain its hard for it to be all muscle.. The muscles made me look just as lean but undoubtedly I put on a bit fat. So I ran tren at 200 as a much milder cycle and I ended up at about the same weight as last time while actually burning fat. I went from 6 pack to 8 pack and my carbs were no more than 200gr a day often at 100gr.

Carbs just holds a lot of water and while I believe people can handle them better than others I still believe fat is more important for the muscle building process. As long as you have the energy during gym and you don't walk around hungry you don't need more carbs.

Obviously you know your body better than me and your weight loss was nothing but hard work and dedication. If this works for you don't stop it but as you said before helping another guy, change isn't always bad even if something else worked.
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That’s a fair point actually. Before I started any aas I had a massive problem gaining muscle and eating higher carb was the only way I could (but fat regain was also higher than I wanted), on cycle the rules are different so whilst it means carbs are less likely to lead to fat gain it also means they are less important for fat gain so if it addresses the water issue and I still get stronger it’s a bonus.

I’m thinking the gap between the end of the liquidien and the winny would be a perfect time to try dropping carbs down......

Thanks brother, definitely worth a shot
 
Whisky said:
Hey Chados, thanks for the input.

A normal day for me looks like:

Meal 1 - 100g oats, almond milk, 45g protein powder, dried fruit, nuts and/or seeds

Meal 2 - 2 eggs, 6 egg whites with mushroom, peppers and asparagus in an omelette, piece of salmon/chicken/tuna steak with it and some salad

While training - dried fruit, protein bar

Meal 3 - sweet potato, chilli, broccoli (or Thai green chicken curry with rice or similar, there’s always a carb source, protein and veg but it’s the family meal so varies the most)

Meal 4 - 200g prawns with stir fry veg

Meal 5 - chicken sausages in a wholemeal pitta with pickles (or tuna mixed with avocado in the pitta)

Meal 6 - bowl of fruit with Greek yoghurt and a protein bar or shake

I’ll snack on almonds or walnuts sometimes

I do use some seasonings, low/no sugar sauces, soy, fish sauce etc

Also around 400ml milk with coffee throughout the day

Use some zero calorie sweetener (stevia) as well

I track everything and hit min 350g protein (normally 400 plus), never more than 400g carb (normally 350) and around 100g fat.

My salt intake is pretty high plus I use creatine but that’s the same off cycle.

I do think my excess skin doesn’t help as I have more surface area under which to hold water......I don’t mind looking fat on cycle, it’s the not knowing if I’m gaining fat that’s frustrating.

On holiday I stopped mk (just forgot to pack it) and lost 4lbs within days, that came straight back on when I started it again. I can attribute around 13lbs of weight gain to water just from the cycle I think.

Blood pressure was a touch high for me the other day but not quite in high range (mine is normally absolutely spot on or low). Obviously keeping an eye on that.

I’m always happy enough cutting carbs but I do want to make sure I’m gaining muscle on this run. It’s an ongoing internal battle with my former fat self to eat enough to see the scale go up whilst looking fat again. But I do hope the winny flushes it out

I was planning to post midway pics in a few weeks so you’ll see the extent of the water lol
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Im doing meal 2 right now, thanks for the inspo bro!
 
Day 44 - felt big and heavy (not in a good way) after the weekend. Hit some volume chest and back with a bit of a bro session on arms. Nothing intense though

Day 45

Felt a bit ropey today, I often get the start of a cold or infection that never comes to anything (I think my body just fights it off without me really knowing I had it) and that left me a bit drained.

Weighed this morning, usual time, 237.5lbs lol crazy weight gain on this cycle. In reality 15-20 is water, I’m working on the basis 10 is muscle and hoping not much is fat.....but that’s a possibility. Still, I’m a big mother fcuker now haha.

The nipple sensitivity has gone, gonna drop the nolva and keep the caber going (to assess try to link any changes to a compound.

Cardio (running) is becoming a challenge at this weight. I’m doing it but it’s tough now.

Lifted today, just hit my main sets as felt ropey, got the sweats at one point. Highlight was pulling 429 for 5, definitely a pr and not maximal.

Just planning out my second half of cycle.

Thinking of keeping test at 600 rather than pushing up at the end, mainly due to the water retention. That’ll make it a 16 week run.

Going to start the gw and sr9009 at the end of week 8 (to coincide with finishing the liquidien)

Also going to spend the money on bloods after week 8. Basically to try and dial in this ai for future reference but also to see whether high e is causing water retention or not. Whilst I can live without seeing my abs for a while, lugging the extra non beneficial weight around is a bit of a pain.
 
Kickin ass! Glad to hear you shook the bug and still pulled a PR. Sounds like you’re going full gorilla status. Last time I was that weight I had the best meet of my life (I definitely didn’t have abs).
 
Whisky said:
Day 44 - felt big and heavy (not in a good way) after the weekend. Hit some volume chest and back with a bit of a bro session on arms. Nothing intense though

Day 45

Felt a bit ropey today, I often get the start of a cold or infection that never comes to anything (I think my body just fights it off without me really knowing I had it) and that left me a bit drained.

Weighed this morning, usual time, 237.5lbs lol crazy weight gain on this cycle. In reality 15-20 is water, I’m working on the basis 10 is muscle and hoping not much is fat.....but that’s a possibility. Still, I’m a big mother fcuker now haha.

The nipple sensitivity has gone, gonna drop the nolva and keep the caber going (to assess try to link any changes to a compound.

Cardio (running) is becoming a challenge at this weight. I’m doing it but it’s tough now.

Lifted today, just hit my main sets as felt ropey, got the sweats at one point. Highlight was pulling 429 for 5, definitely a pr and not maximal.

Just planning out my second half of cycle.

Thinking of keeping test at 600 rather than pushing up at the end, mainly due to the water retention. That’ll make it a 16 week run.

Going to start the gw and sr9009 at the end of week 8 (to coincide with finishing the liquidien)

Also going to spend the money on bloods after week 8. Basically to try and dial in this ai for future reference but also to see whether high e is causing water retention or not. Whilst I can live without seeing my abs for a while, lugging the extra non beneficial weight around is a bit of a pain.
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429 for 5....nice work man! Cant wait to see what you pull next week!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
429 for 5....nice work man! Cant wait to see what you pull next week!
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It’ll be 440 for 5......madcow 5x5 program is just a really basic overload. Tried it natty and it’s really tough to stick to the numbers but on gear.....well that’s a whole different story lol.

It’s normally a 12 week program and the last week has 484 for 5. As I’m on cycle for 16 weeks I’m probably going to deload before I start winny but then push it on to over 500 for 5......
 
Hyde said:
Kickin ass! Glad to hear you shook the bug and still pulled a PR. Sounds like you’re going full gorilla status. Last time I was that weight I had the best meet of my life (I definitely didn’t have abs).
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Thanks bro. I am a stubborn fcuker and it takes a lot for me to sack off training. I do just feel strong right now. To be honest even if I’ve gained fat and it’s not as much water as I think then at least I know I’ve definitely gained muscle/strength and it’s a learning point for next time.....being strong can be a fun as having abs for sure lol
 
Whisky said:
Thanks bro. I am a stubborn fcuker and it takes a lot for me to sack off training. I do just feel strong right now. To be honest even if I’ve gained fat and it’s not as much water as I think then at least I know I’ve definitely gained muscle/strength and it’s a learning point for next time.....being strong can be a fun as having abs for sure lol
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Traps are cooler anyways!
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
forgive me.. but whats an abs?
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Abs(noun): 1. a consolation prize given to those who have not yet developed a base of strength, highly prized by YouTube commenters that still live with parents 2. an acronym for Always Being Small
 
Day 46 - rest day, boring but feel like that underlying bug that came on at the weekend cleared

Day 47

Felt decent today. Not sleeping as much as I’d like but honestly think that’s down to work and business pressure. Getting 6.5 hours plus still but am trying to improve that.

Nipple sensitivity still appears to have gone. Those lumps what were starting to form also gone so that’s all good. Still running the caber.

Nuts are top drawer at the minute. Libido great, actually got the urge to batter the baton during the day which I’ve not done for a few years.

Added dandelion root and high dose vit c to my supplement regime to try and shift some water, felt it was worth a try.

Training was solid

Back squat top set 3x335 - went belted as had no safety bars so wanted to make sure. Pretty much a pr, I don’t think I’ve done that for 3 before although probably had it in me just on last cycle, certainly moving that type of weight better now though

Bench - 3x236 (a pr for me)

Bent over row - 3x236

Just in case you think I’m some weirdo lifting random numbers like 236 it’s because I’m in kilos but I convert to lbs to make it easier for the majority I know work in lbs on here.

All good my side - hope everyone is finishing out the week strong
 
Day 46 - rest day, boring but feel like that underlying bug that came on at the weekend cleared

Day 47

Felt decent today. Not sleeping as much as I’d like but honestly think that’s down to work and business pressure. Getting 6.5 hours plus still but am trying to improve that.

Nipple sensitivity still appears to have gone. Those lumps what were starting to form also gone so that’s all good. Still running the caber.

Nuts are top drawer at the minute. Libido great, actually got the urge to batter the baton during the day which I’ve not done for a few years.

Added dandelion root and high dose vit c to my supplement regime to try and shift some water, felt it was worth a try.

Training was solid

Back squat top set 3x335 - went belted as had no safety bars so wanted to make sure. Pretty much a pr, I don’t think I’ve done that for 3 before although probably had it in me just on last cycle, certainly moving that type of weight better now though

Bench - 3x236 (a pr for me)

Bent over row - 3x236

Just in case you think I’m some weirdo lifting random numbers like 236 it’s because I’m in kilos but I convert to lbs to make it easier for the majority I know work in lbs on here.

All good my side - hope everyone is finishing out the week strong
 
Day 48

Nothing much to report. Weight is down a touch at 234.5 but could just be normal fluctuations tbh. Did think I looked a bit leaner today, not sure if the dandelion and vit c would have an impact or if naturally my bodies maybe dropping a little water - certainly not a big change anyway.

Was crazy rushed for time today, ran 5k this morning and managed to fit in about 25 mins of continuous back and chest supersets. Really one of those days where you just do something to keep you ticking over. More time tomorrow to hammer arms, abs and shoulders though.
 
Day 49

Good day today, got more sleep last night and generally have felt a bit sharper today. Did wonder if this might be the increased test dosage kicking in (been 2 weeks almost since I increased it). Too many variables to know as the weekend obviously helps the feel good - next week should tell me more.

Vascularity appears to be improving, backs of calves coming through along with arms and shoulders more than a few weeks back.

All positive signs anway

Training was awesome today, not in a pr way (my pressing is sooo bad) but I just felt like I could train forever, was going for 2 hours before I even realised, could have easily carried on.

Push press, seated military (5 sets of 10), behind neck (3x20), lat raises, switch grip curls, incline into hammer dB curls, spider curls drop sets, push downs, close grip bench, standing cable crunch, cable twist, toe touches and ab roll outs all on the menu today.

Massive pump at the end as well.

Just eating like a king at the moment as tomorrow I have 5 rep prs coming on squat, bench and rows (basically with the way the madcow program works every week will be a new 5 rep pr on every main lift (if I manage to stick to the numbers). Brutal but effective thus far.....

Hope all are getting some good weekend gains
 
Day 50

So the start of week 8 and the last week of the liquidien before a few weeks off everything except test (although I’ll start the gw and sr9009).

Nipples feeling great (sounds weird but you know what I mean lol), only dosing the caber with adex at the same dose it was before they got sensitive so I’m thinking hairygrandpa was correct and prolactin was the issue.......useful to know as npp is on my must try list at some point (along with tren maybe).

This is the point on an oral only cycle where I’ve really started to find it tough before but this is getting easier, pinning test 100% better than oral for sure.

So training, well although a bit rushed for time it was a fcuking delight today.

Back squat 5 rep pr at 335
Bench and bent over row prs at 236

I’m past anything I did at the peak of my last cycle on all lifts now. Feel like every week I’m just gonna be stronger.

Weight has stayed the same for a few days, down slightly at 233 but very slight increased vascularity in some areas. Water around the stomach (where most of my loose skin is) means abs barely visible but everywhere else looking good.

Here’s to another big week
 
Whisky said:
Day 50

So the start of week 8 and the last week of the liquidien before a few weeks off everything except test (although I’ll start the gw and sr9009).

Nipples feeling great (sounds weird but you know what I mean lol), only dosing the caber with adex at the same dose it was before they got sensitive so I’m thinking hairygrandpa was correct and prolactin was the issue.......useful to know as npp is on my must try list at some point (along with tren maybe).

This is the point on an oral only cycle where I’ve really started to find it tough before but this is getting easier, pinning test 100% better than oral for sure.

So training, well although a bit rushed for time it was a fcuking delight today.

Back squat 5 rep pr at 335
Bench and bent over row prs at 236

I’m past anything I did at the peak of my last cycle on all lifts now. Feel like every week I’m just gonna be stronger.

Weight has stayed the same for a few days, down slightly at 233 but very slight increased vascularity in some areas. Water around the stomach (where most of my loose skin is) means abs barely visible but everywhere else looking good.

Here’s to another big week
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Nice work dude!!!!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Nice work dude!!!!
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Thanks mate. Feeling good.

Forgot to mention the food, absolutely no issue eating at the moment, doing 4K clean Cals with no issue day in day out. Have struggled when keeping it clean to get to 4K in the past but not on this run.......
 
Whisky said:
Thanks mate. Feeling good.

Forgot to mention the food, absolutely no issue eating at the moment, doing 4K clean Cals with no issue day in day out. Have struggled when keeping it clean to get to 4K in the past but not on this run.......
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Yeah my diet is dirty af atm. Need to go shopping today, stock up on meat.
 
Day 51

Didn’t update yesterday as nothing really to note. Training is always lighter on a Monday (volume on incline bench then a load of stuff for traps, scap, rear delts plus arms)

Day 52

Bit fcuked off today. Combo of a trainer pulling out of sessions at the gym and work demands to travel to London meant the time I would have trained was spent taking a class instead. Hotel in London has a gym but no squat rack and not enough weights for deadlifting.

I deliberately designed my training week so I had the option to move rest days but this is the first time I’ve needed to and I really wanted to lift.

But that’s life so focused on work and will lift tomorrow night.

Was on a train for a while and did some musing.......in particular about whether a dht compound would help with water - Maybe a test/mast combo next time. Or just high dose epiandro (love that stuff).

I did also have an internal debate on whether a golden shower whilst having a normal shower would be better or worse that whilst not......it was a strange trip
 
Whisky said:
Day 51

Didn’t update yesterday as nothing really to note. Training is always lighter on a Monday (volume on incline bench then a load of stuff for traps, scap, rear delts plus arms)

Day 52

Bit fcuked off today. Combo of a trainer pulling out of sessions at the gym and work demands to travel to London meant the time I would have trained was spent taking a class instead. Hotel in London has a gym but no squat rack and not enough weights for deadlifting.

I deliberately designed my training week so I had the option to move rest days but this is the first time I’ve needed to and I really wanted to lift.

But that’s life so focused on work and will lift tomorrow night.

Was on a train for a while and did some musing.......in particular about whether a dht compound would help with water - Maybe a test/mast combo next time. Or just high dose epiandro (love that stuff).

I did also have an internal debate on whether a golden shower whilst having a normal shower would be better or worse that whilst not......it was a strange trip
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"Golden Shower" "Work" "London Hotel"....I know what you where doing....Jack the Ripper
 
Whisky said:
Day 51

Didn’t update yesterday as nothing really to note. Training is always lighter on a Monday (volume on incline bench then a load of stuff for traps, scap, rear delts plus arms)

Day 52

Bit fcuked off today. Combo of a trainer pulling out of sessions at the gym and work demands to travel to London meant the time I would have trained was spent taking a class instead. Hotel in London has a gym but no squat rack and not enough weights for deadlifting.

I deliberately designed my training week so I had the option to move rest days but this is the first time I’ve needed to and I really wanted to lift.

But that’s life so focused on work and will lift tomorrow night.

Was on a train for a while and did some musing.......in particular about whether a dht compound would help with water - Maybe a test/mast combo next time. Or just high dose epiandro (love that stuff).

I did also have an internal debate on whether a golden shower whilst having a normal shower would be better or worse that whilst not......it was a strange trip
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I think it would be better outside the shower, until the end, at which point I feel one would like to have a shower nearby.
 
I finally made it!!!! Too many pages to go back and look all of it up but i am here for the duration!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
I think it would be better outside the shower, until the end, at which point I feel one would like to have a shower nearby.
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Yeah in my head I got to the point of thinking that I’m the shower but with the water switched off was probably optimal haha
 
Whisky said:
Hey good to have you here brother. Was wondering where you’d been!!
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I know, and i saw that you mentioned me too. Unfortunately, I am notification deficient... I hardly ever see Mentions, or that stuff. Even on my phone I don't pay any attention to the notifications. Heck I am lucky to check my personal email once a week because I just don't care about it. Ever since having a phone that goes off for every stupid thing under the sun it got to the point my ADHD just filtered all of that out as background noise...

I really need to get better about it. Either way happy to be hear and following now. If you ever invite me and I don't show up quickly I just didn't see it so tell me again or link me up in my log that way I and anyone following my log can see it.
 
Day 53

Long old work day travelling and actually focusing on my job for a bit.

But was determined to get to the gym tonight and was pretty focused when I did.

Highlight was pulling 440 for 5. Never done that before and it was never in doubt. I’m known for being able to really grind a rep or two if I need but these went up pretty smooth (first one flew up like nothing).

Although I’m not going to test my maxes until the end of the cycle I already know I’m above anything I’ve done before.

Do feel like I’ve noticed the increase in the test dose. 450 was nice but 600 does seem a noticeable step up in mood, focus and wellbeing.

Libido still through the roof.

Since I started the dandelion and vit my weight dropped about 3.5lbs and then stayed at that level, visibly it looked like a little bit of water went. Then a few days back I noticed a couple of aches in my knees, I run so thats nothing new off cycle on hadn’t affected me on cycle before. It’s nothing that bad and isn’t affecting training (feels better when I do train) but I wondered tonight if that was just a bit of drying out.

Tripled my fish oil dose to see if that helps anyway.

Again, everything is gravy here. Let’s get tomorrow kicked in the cnut
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
how high are you running your AI?
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Adex at 0.5 eod currently.

Still running caber at 0.5 eod until after the liquidien as the sensational nipples disappeared after dosing that and nolva and haven’t returned since I dropped the nolva....
 
Why are you using a diuretic? Are you suffering from edema or something? If not then drop the diuretic. No need for it, your kidneys are already working hard filtering your blood, there is no reason to increase the load on them by forcing them to produce more urea.

If you are not running low sodium then I would just try to increase your potassium intake to 4.5-5g a day. Get your electrolytes balanced and most of the water you are retaining will go back into your muscles. If your joints are drying out while you are still looking waterlogged it is far more likely that you are experiencing an electrolyte imbalance.

If you are running low sodium I would recommend increasing sodium a good bit as well as increasing potassium to balance it. Trust me this will be safer, healthier and more than likely have a better effect on your physique.

Only reason I would not do this is if you know you are sodium sensitive, and that high sodium causes real issues for you. Although you can't really know that for sure if you have never had your potassium high enough to balance out sodium levels.
 
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