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poopypants said:
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weeeeeeeaaaaaaaak but you get it.....

also the TRN aint a bad idea for a pulser its hella strong works quick and if you only lookin to get a lil more strength with less sides... that may be the way to go.... BUT the SD will bring alot more then just strength, options, options, options
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Well, right now the 1-t full time seems to be helping with leaning out a little faster, hard to say much else. I mostly had been going to add dermacrine for both anabolic as well as "how I feel" purposes, but overall I feel good on 1-t. So the mega-trn in its place just preworkout would probably overall be more benefit. The superdrol pulsing I want to save for after PCT from this cylce, but then I think I may do a long term (8-12 weeks) 3x weekly superdrol pulse.
 
yeah, I guess I will, and do the mega-trn instead. I still am going to use their Sustain for post cycle therapy tho, but it also is a bit less risky, as it doesn't have the pregnenolone or DHEA in it. still going to wash clothes separately,etc
 
poopypants said:
awwwwwww gay they disabled embedding

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weeeeeeeaaaaaaaak but you get it.....

also the TRN aint a bad idea for a pulser its hella strong works quick and if you only lookin to get a lil more strength with less sides... that may be the way to go.... BUT the SD will bring alot more then just strength, options, options, options
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You can still manually type the code out, the button may just be missing.
 
EasyEJL said:
or maybe i should just stick with the 1-t?
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I think just the 1-t is sufficient for this first experiment in straight cycles, but you could always through in some pulses of mega-trn pre-workout on those days you wake up and don't feel so confident about the workout coming up. Seems like some people reported that it helps in getting through tough workouts.

I don't actually have any experience with either of these things, but I'd probably be trying what I just said if I were you.
 
I think I just found a new (and exciting!) way to stretch your back

you do one side at a time
sit in a chair, bend over,
and with the arm of the side you want to stretch,
grab the inside of the heel on that same side
then you simply pull up on your heel and
push back down with your leg at the same time

it felt good
just thought I'd share that
 
bitterplacebo said:
I think just the 1-t is sufficient for this first experiment in straight cycles, but you could always through in some pulses of mega-trn pre-workout on those days you wake up and don't feel so confident about the workout coming up. Seems like some people reported that it helps in getting through tough workouts.

I don't actually have any experience with either of these things, but I'd probably be trying what I just said if I were you.
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yeah, that seems like a good idea really. at the 440mg/day rate, 3 bottles will take me just past 6 weeks (45 days), which is a nice length. I've got a total of 6 bottles so I can even go higher towards the end if necessary, or run it for 8 weeks. I originally expected to do it as 2 separate 4 weeks cycles at 660/day. The irritating part is that I will either have a hard time or expensive time duplicating this cycle after this. 1-t thp ether is still available in the uk, but the price is relatively astronomical, like $80 a bottle of 60 100mg caps.
 
the TRN itself will actually make you "feel" good, and GREAT in the gym, check my threads started, RyanSM and i were the first to log the OG M-TRN from ALRI and id have to say i didnt gain much weight BUT strength was just beyond retarted and i would expect that it would do great for cardio as well considering my recovery time was WAAAAAY up and i remember having a day or 2 were i got to the gym late and mashed out all my sets with practically no wait time, i think it would stack great with a test like compound or one like dbol..... or 1-test :D i think you should jump on it easy!
 
SatireWolf said:
You can still manually type the code out, the button may just be missing.
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nope thats how i do it every time..... the person who posted the video set it so that it cant be embedded, check the link i gave you and youll see it says it on the right side in the grey box....
 
poopypants said:
the TRN itself will actually make you "feel" good, and GREAT in the gym, check my threads started, RyanSM and i were the first to log the OG M-TRN from ALRI and id have to say i didnt gain much weight BUT strength was just beyond retarted and i would expect that it would do great for cardio as well considering my recovery time was WAAAAAY up and i remember having a day or 2 were i got to the gym late and mashed out all my sets with practically no wait time, i think it would stack great with a test like compound or one like dbol..... or 1-test :D i think you should jump on it easy!
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I may crank the 1-t up to 660mg too. I guess tomorrow morning makes 1 week, not really sure how to tell what progress really is... since i'm cutting really. It looks like i'm down at least 3lbs in the first week, and its not like I just started cutting (so its not those quick water losses). I also can see a little difference in the shape of my belly in the week. I think its making a difference as it is, but i'm also experiencing nada for sides now with taking dhea at least a half hour prior to the evening dosage.

I'm still confused about "system buildup", the idea that it takes a couple weeks for a product to really hit where its working its hardest. when the products have half life in bloodstream of only 6-8 hours, whats different at the end of 2 weeks?
 
I don't think it's really a matter of buildup, it's just that by the end of the second week people are noticing a difference. So for them, that's the time when the product "kicks in" or "starts working."

I think it's really that the products work the whole time, but it takes two weeks for someone to realize that they're not the same person as two weeks earlier. Once they've noticed the change and progression, they can watch it more closely since they know what to look for, so it may seem like the product works more in the later weeks.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I don't think it's really a matter of buildup, it's just that by the end of the second week people are noticing a difference. So for them, that's the time when the product "kicks in" or "starts working."

I think it's really that the products work the whole time, but it takes two weeks for someone to realize that they're not the same person as two weeks earlier. Once they've noticed the change and progression, they can watch it more closely since they know what to look for, so it may seem like the product works more in the later weeks.
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I started trying to write a post about sort of this, the positive side of the placebo effect. Like how when some people go on cycle they are far more serious about their training + diet, and have great results. I wonder to some extent how much of hormonal cycle gains are just that.
 
EasyEJL said:
I started trying to write a post about sort of this, the positive side of the placebo effect. Like how when some people go on cycle they are far more serious about their training + diet, and have great results. I wonder to some extent how much of hormonal cycle gains are just that.
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I'm sure there's some truth to that, if a person is more dedicated to diet and training. But I also think some people get overzealous about the training aspect once they are 'on' and quickly get into overtraining. They probably still see some results, but not as good as it would of been had they taken a few weeks to ramp up the intensity of their workouts.

But what I was trying to say about the chemical builduip is that if you have two products with short half-life, A and B, and you hear "A doesn't start working until week 2" and "B doesn't start working until week 4," it's probably not actually a statement of how long you need to continuously dose them. Rather it's that A produces changes faster than B, but both should be working from day 2 onward. Further, dosing B for only 2 weeks might not be recommended because the progress made is so slight.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I don't think it's really a matter of buildup, it's just that by the end of the second week people are noticing a difference. So for them, that's the time when the product "kicks in" or "starts working."

I think it's really that the products work the whole time, but it takes two weeks for someone to realize that they're not the same person as two weeks earlier. Once they've noticed the change and progression, they can watch it more closely since they know what to look for, so it may seem like the product works more in the later weeks.
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Perception is everything.
 
pp, yesterday I read your post from a while ago in the pulsing thread about the pizza guy story

funny stuff
I want to know more about why Dr. D had to hijack a bobcat
 
bitterplacebo said:
I'm sure there's some truth to that, if a person is more dedicated to diet and training. But I also think some people get overzealous about the training aspect once they are 'on' and quickly get into overtraining. They probably still see some results, but not as good as it would of been had they taken a few weeks to ramp up the intensity of their workouts.

But what I was trying to say about the chemical builduip is that if you have two products with short half-life, A and B, and you hear "A doesn't start working until week 2" and "B doesn't start working until week 4," it's probably not actually a statement of how long you need to continuously dose them. Rather it's that A produces changes faster than B, but both should be working from day 2 onward. Further, dosing B for only 2 weeks might not be recommended because the progress made is so slight.
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I've just never quite understood the "gains really come on after week 3". maybe there are other accumulative effects outside of the direct presence of the substance?
 
EasyEJL said:
I've just never quite understood the "gains really come on after week 3". maybe there are other accumulative effects outside of the direct presence of the substance?
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yeah, I think any positive effects on mood and your mental game actually might require a cumulative effect. I think it generally takes at least 2-3 weeks for the brain to reorganize neural pathways into a configuration that's more suitable to the current environment
 
bitterplacebo said:
yeah, I think any positive effects on mood and your mental game actually might require a cumulative effect. I think it generally takes at least 2-3 weeks for the brain to reorganize neural pathways into a configuration that's more suitable to the current environment
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ah like habit building. yeah maybe. I could see that it would take that long to mentally adjust to additional strength or shorter recovery periods. i know that starting a 100% new routine, it takes the first week or two just to get weights right....
 
so I finally finished reading that whole pulse thread again. took notes of all the little intricate suggestions.

the biggest confusion I have is when to dose an AI. since I have some I figure I'll use it, but it there's a couple choices I have

1) It was first mentioned to use it on 'off' nights.
2) Then later, there was a suggestion that if the pulse occurs in the morning, you can use the AI on that same night.

(3) For a morning workout, do either of these seem to agree with what Dr. D himself purportedly did? He said workouts were late at night, so that's also when the pulse occurs. Then the AI comes on the following off night. 24 hours later. For case '1', the AI comes 36 hours after a morning lifter's pulse. For case '2', the AI comes 12 hours afterwards. A 24 hour delay in AI use for a morning lifter is actually the following morning.

I guess I'll have to experiment.
 
case '2' and '3' make the most intuitive sense to me.

If I remember right, I had tried case '1' and it just seemed like too late of a time. There was significant testicular volume increase, though, but may just be from the intrinsic property of pulsing an anabolic.

There was also itchy nipples on the off day, which I think suggests a high estrogen increase. So I think case '2' or '3' might challenge this slightly.
 
EasyEJL said:
I've just never quite understood the "gains really come on after week 3". maybe there are other accumulative effects outside of the direct presence of the substance?
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It's called, zomg a muscle popped out!

Chemically speaking some of the longer half-life stuff does require some build up time, but the short stuff? That's just urban legend. There's no science to backup 3 cups of coffee a day giving better results after 3 weeks. Short half-life stuff!
 
so I made a little graph of what I'm guessing goes on with the main sex hormones during the EOD pulse
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the baseline for each could be different, but they are just plotted in an overlapping fashion

so I have the three cases that you can take the AI

1) +12 hours after pulse: looks like it would blunt the E spike a little, probably good in cases of gyno flare up. Plus the LH boost would probably have a good synchronization with that dip in T, To provide a bigger T bounce up.

2) +24 hours after pulse: would probably cause the decline of E spike to be even faster, causing a bigger dip below baseline and thus the T bounce might get blunted as the hormones try to balance. However, the LH increase would probably eventually come into play as this is occurring and fortify that T bounce.

3) +36 hours after pulse: seems to already be below baseline E, an AI doesn't seem efficient here.
 
I just opened a bottle of trione from nutraplanet since I'll be using it tomorrow night

instead of a cotton ball in with the pills there was just a scrunched up sheet of clear, plastic wrap.

wtf?
 
bitterplacebo said:
I just opened a bottle of trione from nutraplanet since I'll be using it tomorrow night

instead of a cotton ball in with the pills there was just a scrunched up sheet of clear, plastic wrap.

wtf?
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alot of companies now use cellophane in their bottles instead of cotton ;)
 
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