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Which would you say is more powerful for muscle building, transdermal Trest ace or oral Trenavar?

Trest and trenavar and all prohormones are unhealthy obscure compounds that we have no long term health data on. It's a total crap shoot and a guessing game trying to figure out which one is more or less healthy. None of them are health or deemed acceptable for human beings to be using by the medical field. There's a reason why they all get disregarded from mainstream medicine and then brought back as prohormones under loopholes for sale
 
Hyde said it but I'm gonna repeat it.

Trest for trt was researched at 400mcg per day, that's 2.8mg per week

Even a messily 30mg dose (which is not messily) but 30mg a week is 10x the trt dose. If you took 30mg of testosterone you would basically look like a hypogonadal man on bloods
 
JoePaul39 said:
i have a script for trt test 160 mg which though isn’t much it enables me to keep much of the gains from the oral cycles and prevents me from getting on cycle fatigue. I only run like 2 eight week cycles a year. I’ve notified most guys on here are using a ton of pinning UGL gear AND running orals as kickstarters and finishers so I’m really running less gear than most here.
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well that sounds like a good bet. Out of all my cycles the strongest and biggest I’ve ever been was a 14 month cruise at 180mg test a week with nothing else. Just strict diet and intense training and I still hold all my record PRs from that period. Stronger then on Tren! So many guys rely on heavy cycles to do the leg work , when all you really need to do is the real “leg work”
 
justeat said:
well that sounds like a good bet. Out of all my cycles the strongest and biggest I’ve ever been was a 14 month cruise at 180mg test a week with nothing else. Just strict diet and intense training and I still hold all my record PRs from that period. Stronger then on Tren! So many guys rely on heavy cycles to do the leg work , when all you really need to do is the real “leg work”
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Bro you are doing it wrong

But yes of course I agree the drugs can’t make up for shoddy training, or not putting together very long periods of consistent work without injury. And you aren’t the first guy I’ve ever heard that from.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Also, How hard is is it to find one if these anti-aging doctors that will prescribe the steroids freely? Any “key words” to put in a google search lol. Also, I assume insurance doesn’t cover a lot of it so isn’t it as expensive as fuk at uninsured retail pharmacy prices?
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The key word is to ask, sometimes you get a “NO” right away, sometimes you get a “l don’t know how to rite it” and sometimes you get “what do you want?”

I gone through a lot of Dr’s until I found my Endo I have now, he offers high dose TRT (250mg ew), Deca, Var and Winny. Yes, it’s expensive but you know what you getting.

Some tele clinics might be easier, I called Viking at one time and I think the sold 50mg Var for $1 a pill. But you have to go through them and do all blood work to see that you are deficient of Anavar 😉

Shop around, it’s easier than you think.
 
BBiceps said:
Some tele clinics might be easier, I called Viking at one time and I think the sold 50mg Var for $1 a pill. But you have to go through them and do all blood work to see that you are deficient of Anavar 😉
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Viking will also make you take bloods before and after the Var they prescribe, and they won't write you another scrip for 6 months. I asked.

They wouldn't cut me a scrip for Var and I'm thankful they didn't, I had no business even asking for it.

So, you can get it from them but they have some rules you have to follow and some hoops to jump through. Also, if your bloods ever come back with a bad lipid value they'll never cut you another Var scrip again.
 
match said:
Viking will also make you take bloods before and after the Var they prescribe, and they won't write you another scrip for 6 months. I asked.

They wouldn't cut me a scrip for Var and I'm thankful they didn't, I had no business even asking for it.

So, you can get it from them but they have some rules you have to follow and some hoops to jump through. Also, if your bloods ever come back with a bad lipid value they'll never cut you another Var scrip again.
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ok, yeah I don’t know, I just called them when I got my script for Anavar to see their pricing but they wouldn’t take me script, they wanted me go through them. I found some other Tele clinic in Florida that’s sounded very generous if signed with them. It looks like it’s a bunch of them but like you said, you have to jump some hoops to get what you want.
 
BBiceps said:
The key word is to ask, sometimes you get a “NO” right away, sometimes you get a “l don’t know how to rite it” and sometimes you get “what do you want?”

I gone through a lot of Dr’s until I found my Endo I have now, he offers high dose TRT (250mg ew), Deca, Var and Winny. Yes, it’s expensive but you know what you getting.

Some tele clinics might be easier, I called Viking at one time and I think the sold 50mg Var for $1 a pill. But you have to go through them and do all blood work to see that you are deficient of Anavar

Shop around, it’s easier than you think.
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The heck do the write the script for winny for?
 
BBiceps said:
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a lot easier than you guys think. I never picked it up but I had 60x40mg with 6 refills, same with the Var.
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Was it you who couldn't find a decent price to fill the Var script?
 
LaserGoPewPew said:
i agree with you and @xR1pp3Rx regarding the strength & recomp benefits but also how we all react to various compounds differently.

I have heard a lot of guys say PH Tren is trash, but i took a 30 day cycle of relatively low dose oral trenavar years ago while mixing in heavy weights and HIIT and i couldnt believe how the fat melted off of me. I am pretty lean anyway, so it was crazy to get stronger yet see your weight shrink down to 174# when the cycle was complete. Also - i didnt seem to have any of the "tren sides" some describe.

I have thought about running a similar short cycle at some point in the futuer. Maybe with HGH
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I was running 150-210mg/day. On the high end for that compound by all accounts.

LaserGoPewPew said:
how does Tren effect kidney fnction?
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No idea, but it’s nephrotoxicity independent of blood pressure levels is well documented.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Ok guys so if you had to choose between 90 mg Trest ace transdermal or run a decent dosage of oral trenavar which one would you say is the more effective muscle builder? They are both pretty powerful compounds although trenavar can be a lot more harsh and less “fun” to run lol, but regardelsss, which would you say is more powerful ?
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I’ve never used td trest, only injectable and oral menadione.
At a low dose, ment feels just like test.

trenadione’s sweet spot is 90mg. It really shines there, IMO.
 
Hyde said:
I was gonna say 150mg
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That’s why I had to add that imo on there.
I didn’t see any noticeable difference in 120, maybe I just needed to go higher? Lol.
 
brofessorx said:
That’s why I had to add that imo on there.
I didn’t see any noticeable difference in 120, maybe I just needed to go higher? Lol.
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I feel 150 will be felt substantially more than 90, no question. I used it again recently last summer for 40 days in my stack. Started at 90mg for a couple weeks and as soon as I bumped to 120 new sides presented themselves (that’s where I capped it for that stack). So I do think it’s a fairly linear dose-response compound personally, but it’s going to take multiple weeks or big jumps to really see the differences.

I would rather run it 2 weeks longer than raise the dose though, if you can handle it. Every week after about 4 weeks I started getting stronger and stronger.
 
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