Which would you rather?

[LegendKiller9]

Which of these would you rather run, I've heard a lot of good things about bridges, but then a lot of things about standalone PH's work just as well.

Figured, why not start a poll, right?

Chose these two PHs because I know they're both rather harsh on sides, but know a good amount of people who have still bridged them for longer cycles. Let's see what you guys think!

 

[UnrealMachine]

i think it depends on some variables

1) your stats
2) have you tried PP?
3) have you tried SD?

 

[LegendKiller9]

I'm not personally interested in running them, just more of a personal, do you feel bridging is better, and if not, which do you prefer standalone.

 

[monsterbox]

Never tried them but I will try pheraplex soon.

From research, it seems that pheraplex is much safer and definitely a much more joint friendly, hpta friendly, and side effect friendly compound with the same if not more potential for bulking/strength gains than superdrol....superdrol seems to have dryer version of the gains but with higher cases of shutdown, toxicity, and rebound estrogen.

I really dont understand the point of running pheraplex into superdrol...it must be to have big huge wet gains and then dry them up with the superdrol. This sounds like a terrible stress on the liver, hpta, and everything in your body...not to mention both pose lots of prolactin related side effects.

I am looking to run pheraplex bridged into epistane. Pheraplex will bring the big gains, and Epistane will follow up as a polishing compound which will dry up the water retention, solidify the strength, eradicate extra estrogen that would contribute to proclactin rebound, and prepare the body for a nice layed out pct protocol. Suprised many do not consider phera-epi bridge.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I'm not personally interested in running them, just more of a personal, do you feel bridging is better, and if not, which do you prefer standalone.

what's the point... steroids are variables in an equation, they are tools used to help accomplish specific goals. The qualities of some steroids are better adapted to achieving some goals than other steroids.

So bridging isn't "better" and between SD and PP none is "better." Everything is different and useful in a different way.

Never tried them but I will try pheraplex soon.

From research, it seems that pheraplex is much safer and definitely a much more joint friendly, hpta friendly, and side effect friendly compound with the same if not more potential for bulking/strength gains than superdrol....superdrol seems to have dryer version of the gains but with higher cases of shutdown, toxicity, and rebound estrogen.

I really dont understand the point of running pheraplex into superdrol...it must be to have big huge wet gains and then dry them up with the superdrol. This sounds like a terrible stress on the liver, hpta, and everything in your body...not to mention both pose lots of prolactin related side effects.

I am looking to run pheraplex bridged into epistane. Pheraplex will bring the big gains, and Epistane will follow up as a polishing compound which will dry up the water retention, solidify the strength, eradicate extra estrogen that would contribute to proclactin rebound, and prepare the body for a nice layed out pct protocol. Suprised many do not consider phera-epi bridge.

I used to think of SD and PP in exactly the same way.

But after using them I will never think of them like that. The stereotypes surrounding SD and PP are just plain erroneous IMHO.

The dry/wetness stuff is pretty bullshit, I have run a cut on 50mg of PP and there was no wetness. It's just fkcing fictitious. Same for Superdrol being dry... I noticed no loss in subcutaneous water... What happens is the muscles swell up and fat gets pulled tighter and MAY LOOK DRIER.

PP and SD are associated in a similar # of cases of rebound gyno and this whole thing is pretty genetic. Some people get gyno, some people don't. Some people get gyno from turning 15, some people get gyno from running natty test boosters and AIs, some people get gyno from running Halodrol (YES believe it or not) and some people get gyno from SD.

And then some people run all of that stuff in high doses and never get gyno...

As for toxicity, SD is overstated... original SD testers used up to 40 and even 50mg of SD and had good test results... it is conjectured that many modern SD clones are contaminated with crap. PP may also be worse than you think.

And i've never read about anybody getting better gains on PP than SD. Not that I can remember and I've read a lot.

Also i'm leaning away from the notion that SD and PP cause gyno from prolactin. I am not sure though. I don't get gyno and my libido goes up on SD.

I guess the overall theme of my post should be this: the stereotypes surrounding the steroids are BS because people respond very differently to them.

 

[monsterbox]

what's the point... steroids are variables in an equation, they are tools used to help accomplish specific goals. The qualities of some steroids are better adapted to achieving some goals than other steroids.

So bridging isn't "better" and between SD and PP none is "better." Everything is different and useful in a different way.



I used to think of SD and PP in exactly the same way.

But after using them I will never think of them like that. The stereotypes surrounding SD and PP are just plain erroneous IMHO.

The dry/wetness stuff is pretty bullshit, I have run a cut on 50mg of PP and there was no wetness. It's just fkcing fictitious. Same for Superdrol being dry... I noticed no loss in subcutaneous water... What happens is the muscles swell up and fat gets pulled tighter and MAY LOOK DRIER.

PP and SD are associated in a similar # of cases of rebound gyno and this whole thing is pretty genetic. Some people get gyno, some people don't. Some people get gyno from turning 15, some people get gyno from running natty test boosters and AIs, some people get gyno from running Halodrol (YES believe it or not) and some people get gyno from SD.

And then some people run all of that stuff in high doses and never get gyno...

As for toxicity, SD is overstated... original SD testers used up to 40 and even 50mg of SD and had good test results... it is conjectured that many modern SD clones are contaminated with crap. PP may also be worse than you think.

And i've never read about anybody getting better gains on PP than SD. Not that I can remember and I've read a lot.

Also i'm leaning away from the notion that SD and PP cause gyno from prolactin. I am not sure though. I don't get gyno and my libido goes up on SD.

I guess the overall theme of my post should be this: the stereotypes surrounding the steroids are BS because people respond very differently to them.

Your post really makes me want to jump on the SD and say screw everything! However, I just can't help but give alot of credit to the fact that there are truly alot of threads showing gyno with superdrol.

I've yet to see a delayed gyno thread on PP. Although maybe this is because less people have used PP.

And you are probably right about modern SD clones containing bullshit. I've read plenty of times that clones are actually derived from the easier to manufacture Anadrol compound rather than the original superdrol compound and this causes an unnoticable difference in sides on cycle but leads to the possible delayed gyno. These delayed gyno reports were WAY less with the original DS than with the clones. This is 90% of the reason I'm afraid to jump on the M-Drol ride....it just seems like IN GENERAL, and OVERALL, PP clones such as P-Plex have less panic threads and gyno reports than the various modern SD clones.

I am still undecided. However I lean towards giving up less of the gains w/ P-Plex over M-Drol just because I'm afraid of irreversible damage thats reported with the clones of SD. Rather is be realistic, overblown etc.

 

[LilPsychotic]

Your post really makes me want to jump on the SD and say screw everything! However, I just can't help but give alot of credit to the fact that there are truly alot of threads showing gyno with superdrol.

I've yet to see a delayed gyno thread on PP. Although maybe this is because less people have used PP.

And you are probably right about modern SD clones containing bullshit. I've read plenty of times that clones are actually derived from the easier to manufacture Anadrol compound rather than the original superdrol compound and this causes an unnoticable difference in sides on cycle but leads to the possible delayed gyno. These delayed gyno reports were WAY less with the original DS than with the clones. This is 90% of the reason I'm afraid to jump on the M-Drol ride....it just seems like IN GENERAL, and OVERALL, PP clones such as P-Plex have less panic threads and gyno reports than the various modern SD clones.

I am still undecided. However I lean towards giving up less of the gains w/ P-Plex over M-Drol just because I'm afraid of irreversible damage thats reported with the clones of SD. Rather is be realistic, overblown etc.

There are lots of threads concerning phera and gyno. I've come to terms with the fact that gyno can be caused by a variety of factors, its not just a matter of whether the substance converts to E or not. I think it has more to do with an individuals endocrinic response to exogenous hormones.

 

[Space]

I have tried both and would definitely run superdrol alone.

Superdrol amazed me with the incredible strength gains it elicited at such at only 20 mg. It was also very dry when you consider that people compare it to the likes of dianabol and anadrol. No water retention, but not dry in the sense that it causes joint problems due to estrogen deficiency.

Pheraplex was very good with strong and steady strength gains, but not equal to the incredible gains associated with superdrol. In the first few weeks I gained incredible amounts of mass that can only be attributed to water retention lending me to believe that pheraplex is associated with water retention. But pheraplex would still be considered a dry compound and doesn't give you the Michelin man look. Personally I wouldn't run pheraplex again because it caused some significant hairloss, which I didn't experience with superdrol.

As for bridging the two compounds, I wouldn't advise this unless you checked you liver values at the half way mark. There are plenty of stories of people running superdrol for 6 weeks and being fine, but people who got liver tests after such a period found their health to be in bad shape.

 

[monsterbox]

I have tried both and would definitely run superdrol alone.

Superdrol amazed me with the incredible strength gains it elicited at such at only 20 mg. It was also very dry when you consider that people compare it to the likes of dianabol and anadrol. No water retention, but not dry in the sense that it causes joint problems due to estrogen deficiency.

Pheraplex was very good with strong and steady strength gains, but not equal to the incredible gains associated with superdrol. In the first few weeks I gained incredible amounts of mass that can only be attributed to water retention lending me to believe that pheraplex is associated with water retention. But pheraplex would still be considered a dry compound and doesn't give you the Michelin man look. Personally I wouldn't run pheraplex again because it caused some significant hairloss, which I didn't experience with superdrol.

As for bridging the two compounds, I wouldn't advise this unless you checked you liver values at the half way mark. There are plenty of stories of people running superdrol for 6 weeks and being fine, but people who got liver tests after such a period found their health to be in bad shape.

well how about the effects on hpta...does superdrol not shut you down way harder with a longer recovery than phera

 

[boggs67ss]

Im currently on week 4 of a phera/m-drol bridge, just started the m-drol 2 days ago. Currently loving it, up about 12 lbs, all lifts are up, libido is up (wasn't expecting that). No sides so far, expect back pumps (which are expected with anything). I think sides really depend on what your prone too, also as far as wet or dry gains, yea phera is supposed to be more wet than superdrol, but I think diet is a big part of it.