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Which creatine to buy ?

De__eB said:
I'd like to think most people who value their integrity wouldn't be easily swayed by free product, unfortunately, I probably think wrong.

I'm not going to sell my opinion on something for a free tub of something I wouldn't have bought anyway, that cost the manufacturer like $5.
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Tbh...almost every company makes atleast a 1.5x profit(after research and development +fab+ aquire raws+ shipping. )
And at most I've seen a 4x profit*cough cough cellucor ,usp labs after jack 3d muscle pharm and muscle tech to name a few*

But at the end of the day people are getting more and more knowledgeable. Pub med, photocopies of medical journals, examine.com, supversity so the old tactics of "this new creatine or arginine " is slowly starting to phase out.

Imo..the future = no bs.

Chaos and pain (the company I rep for) Has a no bs approach but we do have a flashy label.

I hope in the future it gets cheaper to make supplement companies. That's the only way we will see lower margins.

250 grand plus start up fee sometimes is a bit high. That's higher than real estate.
 
De__eB said:
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can call Whey-HD overpriced, stuff is cheap at standard retail, and very frequently on deal.

You've got a few products I take issue with, but Whey-HD seems like a great value to users, and all the flavors I've gotten samples of on orders were on point.
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Hit me up anytime if you want to try any of our products
 
NewAgeMayan said:
He has a thick skin, and Im sure he is enjoying the challenge of winning his critics over.
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I honestly would just hate to see this style of product pimping by him and in future other similar brands degrade this forum. We have all seen first hand how to **** other boards are now because of this.

Fug you were the same when you were at that other company, someone starts a thread asking for advice for dating a girl you would chime in and say "check out G-fuel". Same shi+ now with BPI. Take a chill pill.

Thats enough from me now it 2pm local time and i need to go to bed.

Peace out.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
I honestly would just hate to see this style of product pimping by him and in future other similar brands degrade this forum. We have all seen first hand how to **** other boards are now because of this.

Fug you were the same when you were at that other company, someone starts a thread asking for advice for dating a girl you would chime in and say "check out G-fuel". Same shi+ now with BPI. Take a chill pill.

Thats enough from me now it 2pm local time and i need to go to bed.

Peace out.
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He's just doin his job
 
NoAddedHmones said:
I honestly would just hate to see this style of product pimping by him and in future other similar brands degrade this forum. We have all seen first hand how to **** other boards are now because of this.

Fug you were the same when you were at that other company, someone starts a thread asking for advice for dating a girl you would chime in and say "check out G-fuel". Same shi+ now with BPI. Take a chill pill.

Thats enough from me now it 2pm local time and i need to go to bed.

Peace out.
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Protecting my brand is now considered pimping? If pimping is all that you got, you ain't got much
 
TheFugitive said:
Protecting my brand is now considered pimping? If pimping is all that you got, you ain't got much
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I can confirm, i am the Batman.

Yeah probs a bit stiff on you before apologies, in all serious i would try BPI protein if it was mainstream in Aus i like the enzyme blend addition :)
 
Eh, I get it he works for bpi but I still think that some of their products are just weak and over priced. Like paying 30 bucks for a max 3.4 gram active ingredient dose pre workout that if at full dose would only last 25 workouts. And the highest dosed ingredients in the pre workout are glycerol and caffeine. And some yohimbe bark. Guessing it's a pre workout/thermo?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
I can confirm, i am the Batman.

Yeah probs a bit stiff on you before apologies, in all serious i would try BPI protein if it was mainstream in Aus i like the enzyme blend addition :)
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No probs brother. I have a job to do. At times it might seem like I'm pimping but I'm just very vocal. I really don't mean any disrespect to the boards.
 
Matthandyo said:
Eh, I get it he works for bpi but I still think that some of their products are just weak and over priced. Like paying 30 bucks for a max 3.4 gram active ingredient dose pre workout that if at full dose would only last 25 workouts. And the highest dosed ingredients in the pre workout are glycerol and caffeine. And some yohimbe bark. Guessing it's a pre workout/thermo?
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Your getting 50 serving for under 25 bucks 75% of the time. The energy, mental focus and flavoring are all on point. Most users can get away with one scoop. It comes out to under 50 cents per scoop.

Most of you that know me from another site know I'm very generous and always look out for the board members
 
I actually bought three tubs at Christmas since they were bogo and gave them to some friends as gifts and 5/6 didn't finish the tub because it didn't have any effect on them or it gave them a weird stomach ache. I guess I'm just spoiled from the jym products. I respect how your working but hey I'm just not a fan and neither are the people that I know that have take the pre. Besides the whey hd. That stuff is yummy.
 
Matthandyo said:
I actually bought three tubs at Christmas since they were bogo and gave them to some friends as gifts and 5/6 didn't finish the tub because it didn't have any effect on them or it gave them a weird stomach ache. I guess I'm just spoiled from the jym products. I respect how your working but hey I'm just not a fan and neither are the people that I know that have take the pre. Besides the whey hd. That stuff is yummy.
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If your not getting any effect off 200 to 400 mg's of caffeine plus the rest of the profile, there's something wrong. I'm not trying to pimp, but Vortex has been tested and used by almost every top bodybuilder and tons of professional athletes, all of them rave about it. Our R&D team is no joke. I'm a panel member and believe me everything that goes into our products goes through extensive testing.

But honestly, thanks for the support. Vortex isn't for everyone nor is any product. I've used JYM, it's a great product but I always crash hard on it
 
Jiigzz said:
Flavours were ok in my book. Not mind blowing but still good.

Good value for money so I do buy from time to time
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What flavors have you tried? Our newest Best Protein is flavored pretty ridiculously, the vanilla swirl and CnC are both off the hook. It's really tough to find a protein with a certified verification program like ours. The best thing is, we didn't increase our prices.
 
TheFugitive said:
If your not getting any effect off 200 to 400 mg's of caffeine plus the rest of the profile, there's something wrong. I'm not trying to pimp, but Vortex has been tested and used by almost every top bodybuilder and tons of professional athletes, all of them rave about it. Our R&D team is no joke. I'm a panel member and believe me everything that goes into our products goes through extensive testing.

But honestly, thanks for the support. Vortex isn't for everyone nor is any product. I've used JYM, it's a great product but I always crash hard on it
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So only .2 of the prop blend is caffeine? So it's basically just a glycerol caffeine yohimbe bark product? Lol they "rave" about it because they are paid to do so. I don't really want to start thread about the jym line because I know how most people on here feel about it but I do think it's one of the best if not the best pre workout on the market.
 
Matthandyo said:
I actually bought three tubs at Christmas since they were bogo and gave them to some friends as gifts and 5/6 didn't finish the tub because it didn't have any effect on them or it gave them a weird stomach ache. I guess I'm just spoiled from the jym products. I respect how your working but hey I'm just not a fan and neither are the people that I know that have take the pre. Besides the whey hd. That stuff is yummy.
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No offence dude, but if Vortex isn't having an effect on them then they are serious stim abusers (in which case no PWO will) or talking Shi+. Removing the BPI brand name and looking at the ingredients in isolation clearly shows they will provide a stimulant effect.
 
Matthandyo said:
So only .2 of the prop blend is caffeine? So it's basically just a glycerol caffeine yohimbe bark product? Lol they "rave" about it because they are paid to do so. I don't really want to start thread about the jym line because I know how most people on here feel about it but I do think it's one of the best if not the best pre workout on the market.
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LOL really Pre Jym is the best on market? no worries dude, credibility down the toilet.
 
Matthandyo said:
So only .2 of the prop blend is caffeine? So it's basically just a glycerol caffeine yohimbe bark product? Lol they "rave" about it because they are paid to do so. I don't really want to start thread about the jym line because I know how most people on here feel about it but I do think it's one of the best if not the best pre workout on the market.
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Next time you try Vortex, concentrate on the mental focus aspect, this isn't coming from the caffeine. We designed it to be comparable to the OG 1MR

As for people being paid to say they like it, we never published their thoughts, it was more of an underground thing.
 
By no effect what I meant was the mental focus and the push for one more rep(ha) wasn't there. Yeah you can dose somebody with some caffeine and yohimbe and you'll have a small boost and be sweating easier but that doesn't mean you're gonna have a good workout.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
LOL really Pre Jym is the best on market? no worries dude, credibility down the toilet.
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Oh okay, name a better pre workout and how and I'll give it a shot. I just think it's one of the better on the market.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
No offence dude, but if Vortex isn't having an effect on them then they are serious stim abusers (in which case no PWO will) or talking Shi+. Removing the BPI brand name and looking at the ingredients in isolation clearly shows they will provide a stimulant effect.
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True, to many users take advantage of caffeine and always blame it on the product
 
NoAddedHmones said:
No offence dude, but if Vortex isn't having an effect on them then they are serious stim abusers (in which case no PWO will) or talking Shi+. Removing the BPI brand name and looking at the ingredients in isolation clearly shows they will provide a stimulant effect.
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True, to many users take advantage of caffeine and always blame it on the product
 
TheFugitive said:
What flavors have you tried? Our newest Best Protein is flavored pretty ridiculously, the vanilla swirl and CnC are both off the hook. It's really tough to find a protein with a certified verification program like ours. The best thing is, we didn't increase our prices.
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Vanilla caramel and banana marshmellow. I like them in thick and creamy milk :D
 
NoAddedHmones said:
LOL really Pre Jym is the best on market? no worries dude, credibility down the toilet.
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Pre Jymmies

1000mg Rustled Extract (standardized to 50mg butt hurt)
500mg Tattoos (100% Skinhead)
350mg Jim's pubes (BioCrabs)
500mg Caffeine (Jim Feels')
50mg L-Potato (Anabrolic Activator)

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Auslifter said:
Pre Jymmies

1000mg Rustled Extract (standardized to 50mg butt hurt)
500mg Tattoos (100% Skinhead)
350mg Jim's pubes (BioCrabs)
500mg Caffeine (Jim Feels')
50mg L-Potato (Anabrolic Activator)
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That's actually funny. Hah. I feel like this isn't the first time you've hated on Jim stoppani. Man, everyone on this site really loves to hate on jym supplements... to each his own I guess.
 
Matthandyo said:
Oh okay, name a better pre workout and how and I'll give it a shot. I just think it's one of the better on the market.
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Im not here to push products on you. But, a pwo should be something that ACUTELY enhances you workout, what does Jym have caffeine and low dose of alpha-GPC..cool story bro.
 
Hah it's a 26 gram scoop of pre workout. That would be quite a bit of caffeine and alpha gpc.
 
Auslifter said:
Pre Jymmies

1000mg Rustled Extract (standardized to 50mg butt hurt)
500mg Tattoos (100% Skinhead)
350mg Jim's pubes (BioCrabs)
500mg Caffeine (Jim Feels')
50mg L-Potato (Anabrolic Activator)

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LMFAO, gotta spread some reps before repping you again!
 
Please tell me what is better that your using? It may be better, I'd buy it if it is and see if I like it.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
What i am using?

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Those both look like really solid products, they both are still lacking on some things that are in pre jym. What are they? I might give one of them a try. Definitely better than the normal 3-6 gram scoop pre workouts.
 
Matthandyo said:
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honestly when you look closer you realize it's not even good.

Tmg. great

creatine hcl - bunk

taurine -woop

beta alanine - i hate lol

cit malate - but who was L-Citrulline ;)

5g bcaa's (why not dose everything else properly instead of trying to add bcca's)

Caffeine - wow energy feelz br0

nothing outstanding about this at all.


I could use Ergonine + High volume with Caffeine and it would stomp all over this
 
So taking 3 supplements together and stacking them would be better than just taking one? Have fun spending the $$. What is not dosed well? Have you tried it? I've tried high volume and loved it. I just wish I could get the full dose in one scoop.
 
Matthandyo said:
Those both look like really solid products, they both are still lacking on some things that are in pre jym. What are they? I might give one of them a try. Definitely better than the normal 3-6 gram scoop pre workouts.
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What are they missing? Bunk chain amino acids? BA? Creatine? All really make he world of difference in a pre workout setting....

Those profiles are komodo katana and olympus labs conqu3r dge respectively
 
NoAddedHmones said:
What are they missing? Bunk chain amino acids? BA? Creatine? All really make he world of difference in a pre workout setting....

Those profiles are komodo katana and olympus labs conqu3r dge respectively
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Yup, they are missing that. You can look at the label and compare the two if you'd like to see what exactly the difference is.but both are almost 10 grams lighter
 
What's the better of the two products? Not pre jym but the two above
 
Matthandyo said:
So taking 3 supplements together and stacking them would be better than just taking one? Have fun spending the $$. What is not dosed well? Have you tried it? I've tried high volume and loved it. I just wish I could get the full dose in one scoop.
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are you joking?

1000mg Arginine Nitrate vs 500mg beet roots
500mg Agmatine
2000mg (L-Citrulline) *stomps pre jym even at 1 scoop* of (3000mg Cit Malate)
AmentoMax (strength / focus)
Hydromax (hydration and pumps, even at 1 scoop theres some in the 1 scoop of ergonine to make up for it)

ergonine = full doses at 1$ (US a day) (32$) (30 serves)
high volume (18 servings at 2, 36 at 1), (32$ ~)
caffiene cheap as chips (5-10$)

total = 69$ ~ (you get way more and better ingridents geared towards performance, compared
to pre jym hands down.)

pre jym (20 servings) * 34$ x2 tubs = 68$ (40 serves)

get off jym's python bro
 
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