where can i get turkesterone
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jrock645
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You want just pure turk? Good luck with that. This stuff has been hyped for 20 years but everybody has issues sourcing it, which is why it hasnt made too many appearances in major supps. And, its really expensive. Highly doubtful it delivers on the hype anyway as most of the research was in test tubes and rats.
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Afi140
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This is what I’ve always read and heard as well.
barische
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pe
perhaps you may want to find actual russian (not chinese) - maral root extract (rhaponticum) - wonder what the ecdy % is. I see some on etsy
DocR_
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lol I get that. I literally had the listing up earlier and was just lurking reading the thread with peoples experiences with it, when I read this.
I forgot my old log in from 10+ years, but I dont think I ever posted. just lurked.
De__eB
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Uzbekistan is not the easiest place in the world to reliably source ingredients from.
And there isn't enough demand or cultivation knowledge behind it to setup a farm op somewhere else and see returns within a decade.
And there isn't enough clinical research momentum/drive behind the ingredient to fund further research.
Turkesterone is probably dead in the water unless someone with a lot of money decides to take it on as a passion project.
And there isn't enough demand or cultivation knowledge behind it to setup a farm op somewhere else and see returns within a decade.
And there isn't enough clinical research momentum/drive behind the ingredient to fund further research.
Turkesterone is probably dead in the water unless someone with a lot of money decides to take it on as a passion project.
jrock645
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Considering the effort ThermoLife went to with E-Bol years ago, the many delays and how short lived that product was when it came out... and then they quit making and pivot their business to testing stuff and then filing lawsuits for fake/underdosed/unlicensed stuff... Yeah, turk and ecdy’s ship has sailed in terms of ever being a legitimate supp.
BCseacow83
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Abolic-4, made by Dante Trudel who I trust.
jameschoi
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Did you run a log for abolic-4?
sns8778
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If you notice on the label of that though, it doesn't claim to provide any active constituents. It says: Arjuna Turkestanica Powder Extract (Stems and Leaves). (And credit to them for labeling it correctly and not lying about active content like some brands are).
There's no doubt that companies can buy the powder. The issue is that the raw materials aren't available for the active constituents at anywhere near a price that would make it economically feasible for it to be effective.
BCseacow83
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No.
BCseacow83
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The apigenin and quercifit alone are worth it and the product does seem effective. I know he has discussed replacing the turk since people are very opinionated on the ingredient one way or another.
sns8778
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I have no opinion on his product one way or the other. My only purpose in replying is to help people on the ingredient. From a marketing standpoint, by using Turkesterone, companies will attract and get sales from people that just hear about it and don't know the details on the raw materials; but then they will also get a backlash from people that do. At least in the case of the one you're talking about, they don't make specific extract claims so they aren't outright lying on the labels like some companies are.
Some companies are making content claims based on supplier COA's. In these cases, they companies are either completely uninformed (doubtful), just lying to themselves, or just wanting to capitalize on the popularity.
People can be opinionated on whether Turkesterone works or not.
But there are facts when it comes to the raw material supply chain and that is that a Chinese vendor can put whatever they want on a COA but there is no way that a company can offer a higher percentage extract of an ingredient not native to there than companies/suppliers that specialize in it in its native region.
^^^ Interesting note - I've looked into this ingredient for years including speaking with Uzbekistan suppliers. We deal with Chinese vendors on some things and when I inquired again recently on Turkesterone, EVERY single one that I trust told me that they wouldn't sell it because it wouldn't test out properly under the right testing methods and cautioned us against buying it.
Now keep in mind, I'm talking about active content. I'm not saying you can't buy the powder/raw material from China because you absolutely can. I'm just saying that you aren't going to get a high yield extract with the constituents that line up with any of the studies. (Which is why I complemented the product you mentioned - at least they are saying its powder and not claiming it to be std. to any certain percentages).
jrock645
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I remember the ThermoLife guy saying some similar things. Been a long time, cant recall specifics. But yeah, ground up plant is one thing, standardized extract completely different.
sns8778
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35.00 per bottle (depending where) for 60 caps
Per their label - 100mg Uzbekistan Ajuga Turkestanica Extract per capsule
^^^ Note that it does not say 100 mg. active constituent; it says extract per capsule
I saw in one place where it says that 10% is Turkesterone (so 10 mg. per capsule)
However, I saw in another place that it is 30% total total sum ecdysteroids, out of which 10% is Turkesterone.
So basically, if you wanted to take the studied dose, it would cost a fortune.
Here's an old thread on this subject that goes pretty in depth. I hadn't read it in a long time and don't have time to over the holidays, but a lot is covered here:
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Irishobrien
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its present in Maral root extract. Not sure the %
BigGame84
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I like Dante but I’m not surprised that supplement is weak sauce.
semtex
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Plus a-bolic4 is really pricey, if it worked it would be worth it. I think Dante said he was taking 4 caps a day. And the recommended dose on the bottle was 2 caps a day. Now this was the old bottle of a-bolic4. The newer bottles have double the doses. But I took 4 caps cause that's what he said he took but I didn't see anything. I'm not sure if he's on trt, but I don't think he built all that size on A-bolic4.
THEstudent
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Legit Turkesterone was being offered by a company in that thread that @sns8778 had posted. According to the few studies on it , it was the most anabolic of the ecdysteroids but other studies said the anabolic effect was greater with a combination of ecdysteroids. I think Dante is even considering removing the turkesterone in his product in favor of a full spectrum rhapticom/leuza extract. I think the best ecdysterone product on the market right now is Mass Pro Synthagen X2. Even though they don't list how much ecdysterone is in the product per serving which I definitely don't like because the formula is proprietary but you really notice an effect from a recovery standpoint. Muscle mass gains come much later. I was impressed after a 3 month run of the product.
barische
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how about massmax xt
THEstudent
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@barische that same company in that thread that offered legit turk supposedly tested Massmax XT and found it did not meet label claims(take that for what it is worth). Some guys that used it really liked it but I have never tried it.
sns8778
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Keep in mind too that that thread is old. It just covered a lot of the issues that were mentioned in this thread so I thought it would be helpful.
The supply chain worldwide has been dramatically affected by Covid. So I would expect things to be even harder now.
One more note - for some of this stuff, there can be multiple testing methods. I've seen in cases of that with some ingredients where this is sometimes used to trick consumers but most of the time its used to trick companies.
I'll say this - if I thought there was a legitimate source of these raw materials that were available to where we could offer them at a reasonable price, I'd be the first person to jump on board and do so. And if we ever find them, we will.
But right now, I think I have better odds finding my daughter a real unicorn for next Christmas than finding legit raw materials at a price that would allow them to be sold for a reasonable price
De__eB
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This is an under-rated problem in the industry that a lot of people don't understand.
Especially for difficult/expensive to test ingredients, or plant extracts with a variety of active constituents.
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At the same time, lots of companies have fallen back on this as an excuse even when it's not true.
"It's wasn't our fault, it's the evil people at our suppliers who shall not be named"
muscleman
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What about the bulkpowder that Sportpowders sell? They at quite reasonable prices €145.95kg they claim Ajuga Turkestanica extract 2%
WesleyInman
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We have it at IronMagLabs.com and its lab tested. WES15 at checkout gets you 15% off. We have it blended with Piperine to enhance the absorption.
sns8778
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I'm not familiar with the company and can't speak for anyone quality wise that I haven't seen independent test results for.
But price wise, since its just a 2% that would be possible most likely.
muscleman
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Thank you
unfortunately I missed to buy it on their Black Friday when they have everything at 35% off. Their phenibut however is top quality and from reviews and European forums generally they are well regarded when it comes to their products. But I don´t know about turksterone at all. I will probably take a chance on this next time they have a sale.
unfortunately I missed to buy it on their Black Friday when they have everything at 35% off. Their phenibut however is top quality and from reviews and European forums generally they are well regarded when it comes to their products. But I don´t know about turksterone at all. I will probably take a chance on this next time they have a sale.
sns8778
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It is against the rules so you may want to delete it.
muscleman
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Ok thanks deleted, didn´t know about that but makes sense otherwise so many people on here being affiliated would be posting links I guess
macedog24
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To attain the muscle-building benefits from Turkesterone it is common for users to run an 8-12 week cycle. However, as this supplement is not androgenic and doesn’t cause suppression, you can run it indefinitely. Although, we do advise an 8-12 week cycle. No PCT is required. The appropriate Turkesterone dosage is 500mg per day.
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Accelerates Fat Loss
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Reduces Fatigue
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What is Turkesterone?
Turkesterone is an ecdysteroid, which is a hormonal steroid that is found in plants. Ecdysteroids can be compared to testosterone, due to their ability to induce growth. However, unlike testosterone, ecdysteroids do not bind to androgen receptors, and therefore do not cause any steroidal side effects, such as gynecomastia and hair loss. Although stimulating different anabolic pathways to androgenic steroids, turkesterone seems to be the most anabolic (muscle building) out of all the ecysteriods.
Turkesterone Benefits
The major advantage of Turkesterone supplements is that they are much safer than anabolic steroids, as although suggestively behaving in a similar way, it does not bind to androgen receptors. Turkesterone also enhances muscle repair and growth by increasing muscle protein synthesis. It’s able to do this by optimising the mRNA translation process and promoting leucine uptake into muscle cells. Due to this effect on protein synthesis, a positive nitrogen balance is attained, which also prevents muscle breakdown. There is also evidence to suggest that ecysteriods, such as turkesterone, are able to increase muscle ATP content, which translates to increased muscular energy and endurance during exercise.
How Does Turkesterone Work?
Turkesterone works by ‘hacking’ the stress response in the body. It does this by regulating a stable balance in the adrenal, pituitary, and hypothalamic glands. These three glands separately produce hormones that help regulate our blood pressure, immune system, mood, vision, growth, and more. By bringing the three glands in harmony, Turkesterone enables users to increase their muscle mass, improve recovery, enhance workloads, and stimulate gains during training. All in all, you can think of Turkesterone as a supplement that promotes a ‘super anabolic effect’.
Turkesterone also has adaptogenic properties, which has beneficial effects on mental health, by alleviating anxiety and mental burnout. Another advantage of using Turkesterone is that it does not require, as it doesn’t amplify testosterone levels. Therefore no suppression occurs following Turkesterone use, which eliminates risk of side effects and promotes muscle gain retention.
Turkesterone Side Effects
Alongside the muscle-building effects of Turkesterone, it also induces multiple beneficial side-effects. Turkesterone can help optimize hormonal levels and strengthen your immune system, which is essential for any active individual. Ecysteriods are also promoted as being healthy for the liver and intestines, as well as being able to lower cholesterol and regulate blood glucose. There is research to suggest that Turkesterone also has protective effects on brain health, through enhancing neurotransmitter activity. However, it is important to avoid taking Turkesterone on an empty stomach as it can cause nausea, which is a common side effect of capsulated supplements.
Turkesterone Cycle
To attain the muscle-building benefits from Turkesterone it is common for users to run an 8-12 week cycle. However, as this supplement is not androgenic and doesn’t cause suppression, you can run it indefinitely. Although, we do advise an 8-12 week cycle. No PCT is required. The appropriate Turkesterone dosage is 500mg per day.
Suggested Use
As a dietary supplement take one (1) or two (2) capsules per day with food, use in cycles of 8-12 weeks.
Follow the direct link for all IML products.
TURKESTERONE
Add coupon code: mace20 for 20% OFF.
Hurry before the sale price is gone!
Double up on these amazing savings.
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