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In a legal sense, what's the worst that can happen?
Will that 3 letter agency go to lengths to bust and prosecute if we are talking about 2-3 bottles?Worst case scenario? A 3 letter agency starts building a case
No brother I'm not saying they would, but in my mind that's the worst case scenarioWill that 3 letter agency go to lengths to bust and prosecute if we are talking about 2-3 bottles?
Read my mind. Forced butt play on the reg, getting denied parole and serving every day to the door cuz you joined up with a white gang and got prison tattoos with a walkman and a sharpened ink pen on the reg1. Feds kick your door in
2. 5yr bid
3. Your celly makes you sleep with your boxers on backwards
4. Tossin salad and butt stuff happens on the reg
5. Get out early on go behavior cuz you hate the butt stuff
6. Commit a crime cuz you can't get a job cuz you're a felon now. So you go back to the joint and get the same celly
7. See step two
Vicious cycle fam.
Roger that, I got ya now!No brother I'm not saying they would, but in my mind that's the worst case scenario
1. Feds kick your door in
2. 5yr bid
3. Your celly makes you sleep with your boxers on backwards
4. Tossin salad and butt stuff happens on the reg
5. Get out early on go behavior cuz you hate the butt stuff
6. Commit a crime cuz you can't get a job cuz you're a felon now. So you go back to the joint and get the same celly
7. See step two
Vicious cycle fam.
Right on brother. I mean legally it's not outside the realm of possibility. All it takes is a new prosecutor and a curious post master to make an example out of you. You knowwhatimseeeinRoger that, I got ya now!
This^.1. Feds kick your door in
2. 5yr bid
3. Your celly makes you sleep with your boxers on backwards
4. Tossin salad and butt stuff happens on the reg
5. Get out early on go behavior cuz you hate the butt stuff
6. Commit a crime cuz you can't get a job cuz you're a felon now. So you go back to the joint and get the same celly
7. See step two
Vicious cycle fam.
Your friend is a retard.More than likely customs will seize the said product, and as Demntedcowboy said, will ask you to prove you have a script. I believe a buddy of mine had ordered something years ago, and when the mailman knocked on his door and asked for a signature, he refused to sign unless the mailman could validate that he indeed worked for the post office. Turned out he refused to show his ID and my friend wouldn't sign for it. It's too tricky of a situation to be in and not something I ever want to go though personally.
Beat me too it.1. Feds kick your door in
2. 5yr bid
3. Your celly makes you sleep with your boxers on backwards
4. Tossin salad and butt stuff happens on the reg
5. Get out early on go behavior cuz you hate the butt stuff
6. Commit a crime cuz you can't get a job cuz you're a felon now. So you go back to the joint and get the same celly
7. See step two
Vicious cycle fam.
This.You get a letter in the mail asking you to prove you have a script for it. Otherwise they confiscate it, and you have to reorder
^^^^This is why I buy in small quantities, and never do big orders all at one timeThis.
However, if you get flagged by DEA and your quantities were high, ain't no telling what they track after that. Probably nothing to worry about but if they thought you were distributing product and you had lots, they might build a record against you. Who knows.
But the law is strictly for mfg, selling or that creative overstep phrase "intent to distribute". Actually juicing yourself up is 100% legal, lol. If it wasn't, all the folks getting caught on drugs for competitions would also be incarcerated. But they aren't. Because it's legal to use.
Also, so you know, exception to the "individual mandate" in Obamacare and tax laws, there is no other federal law that applies directly to the individual. Not a single one. If they are gonna get you, it's either by state law or the feds will convince the judge that you as an individual are acting like a business with your gear.
So buy in personal use quantities. I think my state defines that as having a total amount 25g or less in possession, which is a good bit and plenty for any one cycle.
Know your laws. Know your rights. One of the biggest lies of our time (unfortunately, there are other big lies) is that we aren't as free as our Constitution would have us be. A good attorney that is eager to slap the court system down for their misuse of power can easily get you out of stuff like this.
Haha he's easily impressionable to say the least.Your friend is a retard.
What exactly do you mean when you say that there are no federal laws other than the ACA and tax laws that apply to the individual? Although the vast majority of criminal law is left to the police power of the states, there's a substantial body of federal criminal law out there. The first that comes to mind is 18 USC 922 (felon in possession of a firearm), but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Wire fraud is used to persecute people all the time. Possession/distribution of child pornography is a federal offense. As are possession and distribution of controlled substances in certain circumstances.This.
However, if you get flagged by DEA and your quantities were high, ain't no telling what they track after that. Probably nothing to worry about but if they thought you were distributing product and you had lots, they might build a record against you. Who knows.
But the law is strictly for mfg, selling or that creative overstep phrase "intent to distribute". Actually juicing yourself up is 100% legal, lol. If it wasn't, all the folks getting caught on drugs for competitions would also be incarcerated. But they aren't. Because it's legal to use.
Also, so you know, exception to the "individual mandate" in Obamacare and tax laws, there is no other federal law that applies directly to the individual. Not a single one. If they are gonna get you, it's either by state law or the feds will convince the judge that you as an individual are acting like a business with your gear.
So buy in personal use quantities. I think my state defines that as having a total amount 25g or less in possession, which is a good bit and plenty for any one cycle.
Know your laws. Know your rights. One of the biggest lies of our time (unfortunately, there are other big lies) is that we aren't as free as our Constitution would have us be. A good attorney that is eager to slap the court system down for their misuse of power can easily get you out of stuff like this.
I see guys get paranoid over this sh1t regularly.Haha he's easily impressionable to say the least.
Never speed in Florida. They'll lock you in a cell with your future boyfriend... what thread is this again? Oh, never mind. It was a friend of mine. Nothing happened... they dropped the charges. Carry on.You risk more speeding than you do ordering gear for personal use. Lol
Haha what can I say, common sense just isn't that common these days. I agree with you though. If I know him though, he'll probably try it again but I hope he's smarter this time around.I see guys get paranoid over this sh1t regularly.
When ordering, your name and address is right there in black & white. If LE wanted to bust you, why would they bother with sending an undercover agent posing as the local delivery guy. Lol the logic is ridiculous. If you want to be paranoid, at least be consistent: use a fake name, dont deliver to home or work.
Ya, and if the possible consequences of speeding bother you then, ah, dont speed.You risk more speeding than you do ordering gear for personal use. Lol
Ken "Skip" Hill has a good story to tell about this - he's relayed it on some podcasts. Even if the stuff is fake, you can get screwed, believe it or not.Thing about gear is low quantities in our eyes are distribution amounts by law. I can't remember but I'm almost positive that they rate it at 1ml=1 unit where as with other scheduled drugs, the amounts deemed for personal use= 1 unit. Problem is gear users get 8-15 weeks worth all at once. 1-2 vials is enough to be charged with felony and face serious time. If a recreational drug user had 8-15 weeks worth of daily use then they to would have what is considered a very high amount of that substance. It isn't customs I worry about. It's locally that I am concerned. Customs has bigger fish to fry, local law enforcement will bust your a$$
Good luck getting decent gear from some dude at the gym. $70 for an underdosed vial of test... Not for me, bro.Haha what can I say, common sense just isn't that common these days. I agree with you though. If I know him though, he'll probably try it again but I hope he's smarter this time around.
What boggles me is that he would rather order online from shady sites instead of just trying to find a source in a gym. He can be a bit clueless at times, not discreet at all.. like he might literally approach the biggest guy in the gym while he's working out and ask him directly where he can get gear in front of everyone. I kind of want to see it happen haha, but for his sake, I hope he doesn't actually do that.
That's fair, I agree with that bro. Never said it was the ideal way to go about obtaining gear. But obviously some people do it that way since they don't want to go through the process of ordering online, sweating bullets hoping their stuff gets through customs and then it gets seized and they've lost money as a result. But then again, if you buy gear in the gym, and it's bunk, you're gonna lose money regardless haha.Good luck getting decent gear from some dude at the gym. $70 for an underdosed vial of test... Not for me, bro.
I order domestic, so I don't have to worry about customs. If packed properly, there is as much a chance of someone opening a domestic order as there is someone opening a package from your grandmother containing a sweater that she knit for you.That's fair, I agree with that bro. Never said it was the ideal way to go about obtaining gear. But obviously some people do it that way since they don't want to go through the process of ordering online, sweating bullets hoping their stuff gets through customs and then it gets seized and they've lost money as a result. But then again, if you buy gear in the gym, and it's bunk, you're gonna lose money regardless haha.
Makes sense. Stupid question to ask and I apologize for it, but if one chooses to order online, do you think it's just as possible the gear could be underdosed as well? Obviously if purchasing from the said site has a good reputation, then I'd imagine the chances of their products being bunk are lower, yes?I order domestic, so I don't have to worry about customs. If packed properly, there is as much a chance of someone opening a domestic order as there is someone opening a package from your grandmother containing a sweater that she knit for you.
I would say the possibility is less because you have more options. There are many, many labs from which you can order online. You can read reviews and get a good idea of which may be legitimate. Any lab can turn bad at any time though, so there is always a risk.Makes sense. Stupid question to ask and I apologize for it, but if one chooses to order online, do you think it's just as possible the gear could be underdosed as well? Obviously if purchasing from the said site has a good reputation, then I'd imagine the chances of their products being bunk are lower, yes?
Good to know. Seriously, thank you for shedding light on this as I'm still learning more about this stuff myself. I may have found a source in a gym I train at, but since dealers tend to be hit or miss, ordering online through a reputable lab may be the way to go instead. I'll keep doing my research.I would say the possibility is less because you have more options. There are many, many labs from which you can order online. You can read reviews and get a good idea of which may be legitimate. Any lab can turn bad at any time though, so there is always a risk.
The guy at the gym could have amazing stuff, and the stuff you could get from the "reputable lab" could be complete crap. The only way to know is to try it. Just the way it is.Good to know. Seriously, thank you for shedding light on this as I'm still learning more about this stuff myself. I may have found a source in a gym I train at, but since dealers tend to be hit or miss, ordering online through a reputable lab may be the way to go instead. I'll keep doing my research.
Appreciate the help, bro
I see we shop at the same place justhere4comm
I can't speak for child pornogrpahy, as it might be another example of individual mandated laws, but otherwise you resd correctly - no federal law applies to the individual. Go murder someone and you'll be charged for 'crimes against the state'. It is the state that you offended, not the individual.What exactly do you mean when you say that there are no federal laws other than the ACA and tax laws that apply to the individual? Although the vast majority of criminal law is left to the police power of the states, there's a substantial body of federal criminal law out there. The first that comes to mind is 18 USC 922 (felon in possession of a firearm), but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Wire fraud is used to persecute people all the time. Possession/distribution of child pornography is a federal offense. As are possession and distribution of controlled substances in certain circumstances.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that I don't exactly understand what you mean.
Also,What exactly do you mean when you say that there are no federal laws other than the ACA and tax laws that apply to the individual? Although the vast majority of criminal law is left to the police power of the states, there's a substantial body of federal criminal law out there. The first that comes to mind is 18 USC 922 (felon in possession of a firearm), but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Wire fraud is used to persecute people all the time. Possession/distribution of child pornography is a federal offense. As are possession and distribution of controlled substances in certain circumstances.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that I don't exactly understand what you mean.
In no way am I disputing that the federal government is unlikely to prosecute an individual for possessing a personal use amount.I can't speak for child pornogrpahy, as it might be another example of individual mandated laws, but otherwise you resd correctly - no federal law applies to the individual. Go murder someone and you'll be charged for 'crimes against the state'. It is the state that you offended, not the individual.
What I saying, as the Constitution spells out ever so clearly, is that federal laws are not laws that individuals regard as legitimate because congress never had the power nor will ever to create laws for people. If the feds could create laws for individuals, then what point is there to have States?
That being said, state laws DO apply to you personally. You'll never see an actual federal bill say "it is ilegal for individuals to do this and te punishment is that for such an offense". Instead, they word is as if implied so you think it is illegal, but in reality is it not.
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The expect us to be fools and not read their "acts". In fact, any time you see an "act", you should know it is an attempt st congress to more or less "react" to a situation and appear as if they are doing something about it because our lazy @$$ society wants the government to deal with EVERYTHING.
The only way congress can get to you is through regulating what you buy, but not what you consume. They don't want you to know this.
ICC of 1887 is what congress uses to justify controlling the movement of goods across state lines. It was the first and only real overstep to control the private industry.
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Why do you think the "Individual Mandate" was so damn important to us conservatives when Obamacare was passing thru congress?!? It has set a precedent for future supreme court judges to say it is lawful to pass laws concerning individuals which really is unconstitutional as &$!@.
Perhaps, but with no constitutional backing. A good attorney would know this. That said, if in the district of Columbia, well then yes, congress rules that area exclusively.In no way am I disputing that the federal government is unlikely to prosecute an individual for possessing a personal use amount.
But you may want to familiarize yourself with Title 18 of the US Code as it contains no less that 120 distinct crimes under federal law that the government can prosecute an individual person for violating
Federal power is spelled out in the constitution. It is so limited it all fits on ONE page. Just because consensus doesn't agree with me doesn't change what the constitution says the government can and cannot do.The ICC is unconstitutional according to what? To be sure, the federal government only has jurisdiction over certain areas under the constitution. But the commerce clause is the single largest grant of congressional authority under the constitution. According to that clause, congress has the power to pass laws affecting the channels and instrumentalities of interstate commerce, in addition to local activities that in the aggregate have an affect on interstate commerce. I won't dispute that this is a ridiculously vague grant of authority, but courts uphold laws passed pursuant to it all the time.
Federal power is spelled out in the constitution. It is so limited it all fits on one page. Just because consensus doesn't agree with me doesn't change what the constitution says the government can and cannot do.The ICC is unconstitutional according to what? To be sure, the federal government only has jurisdiction over certain areas under the constitution. But the commerce clause is the single largest grant of congressional authority under the constitution. According to that clause, congress has the power to pass laws affecting the channels and instrumentalities of interstate commerce, in addition to local activities that in the aggregate have an affect on interstate commerce. I won't dispute that this is a ridiculously vague grant of authority, but courts uphold laws passed pursuant to it all the time.
Sadly the US is not the country she once wasYou Yanks have got it rough. There is no possession or use offence in the UK. You could pin in the street in theory although realistically you should expect to get arrested and the contents of that syringe to be tested!
On line sourcing them from within the UK is not illegal either although those doing the actual manufacturing and/or supplying are breaking the law.
You can also travel to somewhere legal to buy and bring them back for personal use through customs with zero concern. You are not breaking the law.
Steroids as a drug to get bust for just really are not on the police/govts radar here at all.
Ya see, the US is far from the most free place on the planet
But I can still walk down main street with a machine gun in each hand. Believe it or not, we can even buy everything from grenade launchers to tanks, and even fighter jets. The only weapons absolutely 100% outlawed at the federal level are surface to air missile designed to take down aircraft, and atomic weapons.You Yanks have got it rough. There is no possession or use offence in the UK. You could pin in the street in theory although realistically you should expect to get arrested and the contents of that syringe to be tested!
On line sourcing them from within the UK is not illegal either although those doing the actual manufacturing and/or supplying are breaking the law.
You can also travel to somewhere legal to buy and bring them back for personal use through customs with zero concern. You are not breaking the law.
Steroids as a drug to get bust for just really are not on the police/govts radar here at all.
Ya see, the US is far from the most free place on the planet
Oh man, I love that guy. Really smart cookieWhile I love discussions of what the Bill of Rights *should* vs mean vs reality, and the various weapons people can own (Robbie Dillon had a Mini-Gun mounted on a Hughes 500) - I would go read everything ever posted by Rick Collins if you want to get an idea of what could happen with PEDs.
http://rickcollins.com/rick-collins-attorney/