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whats the newest trend for full detox?

hvactech

hvactech

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read an old thread about using gut health, e/c and have read countless lemon juice and sea salt literature..
 
hvactech said:
read an old thread about using gut health, e/c and have read countless lemon juice and sea salt literature..
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Curious as well....
 
Don't what's up in the literature but I've been using a greens powder with probiotics by Vibrant Health that sends me into detox mode. I feel so awful I can only take 1-2 doses a week.
 
i use oxigreens twice a day but not for the mentioned thread topic
 
Vibrant Health Green Vibrance v 10.3

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[TD="colspan: 3"]Serving Size: 12 grams[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 3"]Servings Per Container: 30[/TD]
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[TD]Calories[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
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[TD]Calories from fat[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
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[TD]Total Fat[/TD]
[TD]0.77 gm[/TD]
[TD]1.2%[/TD]
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[TD]Saturated[/TD]
[TD]0.18 gm[/TD]
[TD]0.9%[/TD]
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[TD]Trans fat[/TD]
[TD]0 gm[/TD]
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[TD]Polyunsaturated[/TD]
[TD]0.44 gm[/TD]
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[TD]Monounsaturated[/TD]
[TD]0.12 gm[/TD]
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[TD]Cholesterol[/TD]
[TD]0 gm[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
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[TD]Sodium[/TD]
[TD]46.7 mg[/TD]
[TD]1.9%[/TD]
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[TD]Potassium[/TD]
[TD]203 mg[/TD]
[TD]5.8%[/TD]
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[TD]Total Carbohydrate[/TD]
[TD]6.9 gm[/TD]
[TD]2.3%[/TD]
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[TD]Dietary fiber[/TD]
[TD]2.82 gm[/TD]
[TD]11.3%[/TD]
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[TD]Sugars[/TD]
[TD]1.54 gm[/TD]
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[TD]Protein[/TD]
[TD]2.63 gm[/TD]
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[TD]Vitamin A (from beta carotene)[/TD]
[TD]4,764 I.U.[/TD]
[TD]95.3%[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Vitamin C[/TD]
[TD]45.5 mg[/TD]
[TD]75.8%[/TD]
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[TD]Calcium[/TD]
[TD]156 mg[/TD]
[TD]15.6%[/TD]
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[TD]Magnesium[/TD]
[TD]27 mg[/TD]
[TD]6.8%[/TD]
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[TD]Iron[/TD]
[TD]3.74 mg[/TD]
[TD]20.8%[/TD]
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[TD]Vitamin B12[/TD]
[TD]2.66 mcg[/TD]
[TD]44.4%[/TD]
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[TD]Vitamin K[/TD]
[TD]124 mcg[/TD]
[TD]154.5%[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 3"]Nutrient dense plant concentrates[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spirulina (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]1,500 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wheat grass juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]990 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alfalfa grass juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]570 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Barley grass juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]570 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oat grass juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]570 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hydrilla Verticillata (wild harvested)[/TD]
[TD]500 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alfalfa sprout powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]440 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beet juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]300 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chlorella, soft cell, pharmaceutical grade[/TD]
[TD]300 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Parsley powder, freeze dried (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]250 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zucchini powder, freeze dried[/TD]
[TD]250 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carrot root powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]200 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Green bean powder, freeze dried[/TD]
[TD]120 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broccoli sprout powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]100 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spinach leaf powder, freeze dried (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]100 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kamut grass juice powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]80 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Sea Vegetable complex (providing Iodine + trace minerals)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kelp, laminaria digitata (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]200 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alaria, Alaria esculenta (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]100 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laver, Porphyra umbilicalis (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]100 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rockweed, Ascophyllum nodosum (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]50 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Cell membrane & nerve support[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Soy lecithin powder (non-GMO) 98% oil-free[/TD]
[TD]750 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]High fiber foods & Prebiotics[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Larch arabinogalactans (FiberAid AG)[/TD]
[TD]600 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fructo-oligosaccharides[/TD]
[TD]600 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stabilized brown rice bran[/TD]
[TD]500 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Whole apple powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]400 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Milled Flaxseed concentrate (certified organic; de-oiled, non-GMO)[/TD]
[TD]200 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Antioxidants & Circulatory support[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vitamin E (water dispersible d-alpha-tocopheryl succinate)[/TD]
[TD]100 I.U.[/TD]
[TD]333%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acerola berry juice powder, 25% natural vit. C (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]200 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ginkgo biloba extract, (24% ginkgoflavonglycosides/6% terpene lactones)[/TD]
[TD]20 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Green tea standardized extract, (90% polyphenols, 80% catechins, 45% EGCG)[/TD]
[TD]20 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Grape seed standardized extract, (95% polyphenols, 90% proanthocyanidins)[/TD]
[TD]20 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pomegranate extract, (40% ellagic acid)[/TD]
[TD]20 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Policosanol (60% Octacosanol; from sugar cane wax)[/TD]
[TD]5 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Antioxidants & Liver support[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tamarind juice and pulp powder[/TD]
[TD]100 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Silymarin milk thistle extract, 80% silybin (silybum marianum)[/TD]
[TD]60 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carrot root extract 4:1[/TD]
[TD]50 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chicory root extract 4:1[/TD]
[TD]50 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dandelion root extract 4:1[/TD]
[TD]50 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chicory root powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]25 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gentian root extract 4:1[/TD]
[TD]15 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Adaptogens[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Schizandra berry extract, 2% schizandrin[/TD]
[TD]150 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eleutherococcus senticosus root extract, 0.8% eleutherosides[/TD]
[TD]80 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Suma (Pfaffia paniculata) root extract, (2.5% beta-ecdysterone)[/TD]
[TD]60 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Immune support[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Astragalus membranaceus extract, 70% polysaccharides[/TD]
[TD]60 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Larch arabinogalactans (ResistAid AG)[/TD]
[TD]30 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beta 1,3 - 1,6 glucans (Saccharomyces cerevisiae)[/TD]
[TD]30 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Twelve (12) Dairy-free Probiotic Cultures (25 billion at date of manufacture)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus acidophilus HA-122[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus rhamnosus HA-111[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus rhamnosus B, HA-114[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus paracasei HA-108[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus plantarum HA-119[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactobacillus helveticus HA-128[/TD]
[TD]0.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bifidobacterium breve HA-129[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bifidobacterium longum HA-135[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bifidobacterium bifidum HA-132[/TD]
[TD]1.25 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lactococcus lactis HA-136[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Propionibacterium shermanii HA-182[/TD]
[TD]2.5 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Streptococcus thermophilus HA-110[/TD]
[TD]0.75 billion[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Enzyme complex[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Protease 4.5, (Aspergillus oryzae)[/TD]
[TD]110 HUT[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Protease 6.0, (Aspergillus oryzae)[/TD]
[TD]110 HUT[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lipase (Aspergillus niger)[/TD]
[TD]150 FCCLU[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Amylase (Aspergillus oryzae)[/TD]
[TD]6 DU[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Invertase (Saccharomyces cerevisiae)[/TD]
[TD]1 SU[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cellulase (Trichoderma longibrachiatum)[/TD]
[TD]7 CU[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Skeletal support[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vitamin D3 (in organic alfalfa base)[/TD]
[TD]1000 I.U.[/TD]
[TD]250%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phyto-Boron, (patented, from calcium fructo borate)[/TD]
[TD]3 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Fortifying Phyto-minerals[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phyto-Chromium (from Indian mustard, hydroponically grown)[/TD]
[TD]80 mcg[/TD]
[TD]67%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phyto-Selenium from Orgen-SE mustard seed extract (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]50 mcg[/TD]
[TD]71.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Tonics[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ginger root powder (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]20 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cayenne pepper powder (Capsicum fr.) (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]2 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Palatability factor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Concord grape juice, freeze dried, kosher (certified organic)[/TD]
[TD]210 mg[/TD]
[TD]*[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
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A naturopath friend of mine said the detox is likely from the greens + kelp.
 
lol..yeah. Trying to ease into using it everyday. The probiotic part of it definitely works. Tastes ok mixed into a protein shake.
 
EBF Inc said:
Not sure exactly. It was a long time ago. But yes dsades
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yeah i just read that one, do you know what could be used instead of the ehpedra? i wanna try it seeing how gut health is on sale
 
Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
 
Our bodies did not evolve on the diet/environment we live in...it's not that they stopped doing their job, its that they've been inundated with an amount of toxins that cannot be properly processed.

chimeranD said:
Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
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DaveGabe24 said:
Our bodies did not evolve on the diet/environment we live in...it's not that they stopped doing their job, its that they've been inundated with an amount of toxins that cannot be properly processed.
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What toxins? What diets did our body evolve on? Greens, grains, meats, fruits, poultry, fish, etc. How about this, the liver is capable protecting the body from harsh compounds and alcohol, but isn't able to do it's job with diet and exercise? How about the kidneys? Detox's are a scam, the idea behind them is that your body isn't capable of doing it's job without help. Sure, if you have an illness that keeps your organs from doing their job then you may need help, but from a doctor not from a detox product.
 
I think a lot of detox products are scams, however I think the overall concept of detox is fairly well documented and having experienced it a few times, I believe it. As a species we are indeed swimming in chemical compounds that our bodies were never meant to deal with. Whatever the liver cannot deal with can get stored in cells and this too is detailed in the literature. Dr's are great, but generally only after something is already broken.
 
Lol...I stopped at "what toxins"....you need to read up my man. I'm not into detox products, but our bodies are full of toxins from the environment, processed food, our lifestyles...it is not the way the human race evolved to live. Not sure how else to explain it.

chimeranD said:
What toxins? What diets did our body evolve on? Greens, grains, meats, fruits, poultry, fish, etc. How about this, the liver is capable protecting the body from harsh compounds and alcohol, but isn't able to do it's job with diet and exercise? How about the kidneys? Detox's are a scam, the idea behind them is that your body isn't capable of doing it's job without help. Sure, if you have an illness that keeps your organs from doing their job then you may need help, but from a doctor not from a detox product.
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This is a debate that is chocked full of misunderstandings and misconceptions, and is one that is not likely to be determined absolute either way any time soon, if ever. My opinion is if you want to "detox" do whatever your heart desires. Just understand that detoxing can carry its own risks as well. So it's up to you if the risks of one out weigh the other. If you don't want to detox, then don't, but perhaps we are missing out on something. I personally do not detox and wouldn't. My goal is and has always been to eat a healthy diet and let my body do its job.
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Lol...I stopped at "what toxins"....you need to read up my man. I'm not into detox products, but our bodies are full of toxins from the environment, processed food, our lifestyles...it is not the way the human race evolved to live. Not sure how else to explain it.
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I simply asked what toxins are you talking about? You seem to know for a fact that toxins are filling our bodies but don't seem to be able to name any. When you start naming actual "toxins" that are found in our bodies that can't be removed by the organs designed to remove harmful compounds from our bodies then we'll talk.

CopyCat said:
This is a debate that is chocked full of misunderstandings and misconceptions, and is one that is not likely to be determined absolute either way any time soon, if ever. My opinion is if you want to "detox" do whatever your heart desires. Just understand that detoxing can carry its own risks as well. So it's up to you if the risks of one out weigh the other. If you don't want to detox, then don't, but perhaps we are missing out on something. I personally do not detox and wouldn't. My goal is and has always been to eat a healthy diet and let my body do its job.
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This. Haven't ever detoxed myself and feel great, healthy diet and exercise along with a balanced lifestyle is the key here.
 
CopyCat said:
This is a debate that is chocked full of misunderstandings and misconceptions, and is one that is not likely to be determined absolute either way any time soon, if ever. My opinion is if you want to "detox" do whatever your heart desires. Just understand that detoxing can carry its own risks as well. So it's up to you if the risks of one out weigh the other. If you don't want to detox, then don't, but perhaps we are missing out on something. I personally do not detox and wouldn't. My goal is and has always been to eat a healthy diet and let my body do its job.
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This is word for word how I feel. I have never felt the need to detox and I think most of the protocol for them comes from supplement manufacturers trying to sell supps. I feel great pretty much all the time and like you mentioned sometimes people cause problems by detoxing.

That said I'm not 100% saying they have no merit as it isn't something I've put in enough research to be fully satisfied with.
 
Geoforce said:
This is word for word how I feel. I have never felt the need to detox and I think most of the protocol for them comes from supplement manufacturers trying to sell supps. I feel great pretty much all the time and like you mentioned sometimes people cause problems by detoxing.

That said I'm not 100% saying they have no merit as it isn't something I've put in enough research to be fully satisfied with.
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For one I think people have misconceptions with the term " toxins" and often people don't understand free radicals, how they are created/discarded and such. Not saying anyone in particular by the way, just generalizing.
 
I am a long time faster. The best detox in the world is a water fast. Period. Avoid caffeine. Avoid food. Try it for 36 hours. It is tough! The benefits are incredible!!!!! Pound like 4-5 gallons and you will be cleaned out! After the water fast...edge your way into things with 2 days of fruits and vegetables and then slowly add in protein sources on days 4 & 5 and by day 6 you should be ready to continue your normal diet!
 
chimeranD said:
What toxins? What diets did our body evolve on? Greens, grains, meats, fruits, poultry, fish, etc. How about this, the liver is capable protecting the body from harsh compounds and alcohol, but isn't able to do it's job with diet and exercise? How about the kidneys? Detox's are a scam, the idea behind them is that your body isn't capable of doing it's job without help. Sure, if you have an illness that keeps your organs from doing their job then you may need help, but from a doctor not from a detox product.
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Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
 
fightbackhxc said:
Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
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I'm not going to attempt to refute the "amount of toxins higher" but where is the proof that any of these diets make you healthier? We don't have any medical studies that I know of that prove detox diets work or are even necessary. Sky rocketing disease rates? We LIVE longer than at any other time in history. Of course some of these rates are higher, we aren't dying at age 40 anymore. And I'd love to see a study where detox diets have anything to do with autism.

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"Our bodies are remarkable systems that filter out toxins on an ongoing basis. The organs responsible for detoxification are the liver, lungs, kidneys, and skin. When nutrients and other substances first enter the body the first place they go is the liver, which filters out and eliminates harmful toxins such as drugs and alcohol. Additionally, the kidneys filter out wastes by creating urine for excretion. The skin allows us to sweat out toxins, and the lungs allow us to filter the air that we breathe.

Since our bodies are primarily water—around 70%—it makes sense that staying hydrated through drinking adequate amounts of water also helps us stay healthy. However, to date there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that water flushes out toxins."

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And that was with a 2 second google search. At the very least I'd say the "need" is quite debatable. Some of the detox diets seem much harder on the system than clean eating would be! You could be right, but I think either side assuming 100% victory here is a bit disingenuous.
 
While I concur with some of this, I am also a bit paranoid with respect to all the crap we bodybuilders ingest often replacing healthy foods with too much protein and taking all sorts of MISC herbs/supps that MAY contain toxic heavy metals and garbage etc.

Additionally, the stresses of life alone ramp up toxic processes in the body. Then there's the fact wer live in a filthy world full of pollution, and eat food devoid of nutrition (the soil is depleted, animals are mass-produced and using hortmones, fruits and veggies are sprayed with nasty chemicals, etc) amongst many other variables.

So, I can appreciate some of the others' sentiment in this thread as a result. I do think that programs that detox are overkill.

chimeranD said:
Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
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chimeranD said:
What toxins? What diets did our body evolve on? Greens, grains, meats, fruits, poultry, fish, etc. How about this, the liver is capable protecting the body from harsh compounds and alcohol, but isn't able to do it's job with diet and exercise? How about the kidneys? Detox's are a scam, the idea behind them is that your body isn't capable of doing it's job without help. Sure, if you have an illness that keeps your organs from doing their job then you may need help, but from a doctor not from a detox product.
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I'm with Geo in that many of this is science-less and riddled with people economizing off the desperate and uneducated.
 
fightbackhxc said:
Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
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Who's to say it's not diet, or lifestyle, or many genetic factors and people being in such high proximity to each other causing it? The fact is, we don't know what causes these in such high amounts, and detoxing may not do anything besides hurt your body worse. I'm still going to firmly believe in a good diet rich in fruits and vegetables along with whatever else I need. Been doing that for some time and never felt better, why bother going on a specific diet that isn't going to do anything that my diet isn't already?

Whacked said:
While I concur with some of this, I am also a bit paranoid with respect to all the crap we bodybuilders ingest often replacing healthy foods with too much protein and taking all sorts of MISC herbs/supps that MAY contain toxic heavy metals and garbage etc.
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This too.
 
Pragmatic, sensible and fair post IMO ;)

Everyone here has voice a logical perspective.

At the end of the day, for every article proposing a benefit of said eating style, you'll have an opposing view also "backed by science" LOL

Can't win.

chimeranD said:
Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
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chimeranD said:
Who's to say it's not diet, or lifestyle, or many genetic factors and people being in such high proximity to each other causing it? The fact is, we don't know what causes these in such high amounts, and detoxing may not do anything besides hurt your body worse. I'm still going to firmly believe in a good diet rich in fruits and vegetables along with whatever else I need. Been doing that for some time and never felt better, why bother going on a specific diet that isn't going to do anything that my diet isn't already?
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fightbackhxc said:
Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
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Thank you...was beginning to think I was the only one who knew this around here lol

I'm not into "DETOX" products per se...but alkalizing vegetables, clean water sources, etc. etc. are the detox I refer to. For those who think that there aren't a ridiculous amount of toxins being exposed to our systems compared to 50 or 100, or 1000 years ago...you should keep reading.

bioman said:
Well, it's settled then. Someone Googled something. lol
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LOL...I'd rep you again if I could. I should back down I guess, no way I can compete with such depths of knowledge ;)
 
By the way, back to the original question of "latest trends".

I have been reading a lot these last few years about alkaline states (buffering acidic states to thwart disease and cancer).
 
bioman said:
Well, it's settled then. Someone Googled something. lol
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Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"
 
Do you make a habit of waiting around for others to educate you and change your mind?

I've been always been a fan of educating myself, taking others opinions/knowledge into account, and forming a stance based on that. I think you need to be more proactive, I dont have the time to help you out much...but there's a wealth of knowledge just a few clicks away my friend.

Geoforce said:
Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"
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DaveGabe24 said:
Do you make a habit of waiting around for others to educate you and change your mind?

I've been always been a fan of educating myself, taking others opinions/knowledge into account, and forming a stance based on that. I think you need to be more proactive, I dont have the time to help you out much...but there's a wealth of knowledge just a few clicks away my friend.
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I make a habit of taking an open mind into any discussion. I've changed my mind often throughout the iron game on many former truths: I need meals every few hours, need casein protein before bed, need lots of carbs post-workout, etc. Honestly if something doesn't interest me I don't educate myself on it that much. I have no desire to be a detox expert and from the looks of this thread so far few people in it are either. What I've read about detox stuff so far I haven't been convinced. Most of the testimony seems to come from supplement sellers that I've seen.

I educate myself largely by looking for studies on things. Anecdotal evidence is ok for some things, but for a detox diet probably not so much IMO. As best as I've seen so far few studies exist. I'm not waiting on someone to change my mind, if no one does then no one does and I'll feel the exact same way I always did about them. The stuff I mentioned earlier people on forums or through my own reading changed my mind. I'm not going to search for a ton of reasons why detox diets are necessary and so far I can't find studies that say they do. If someone drops a knowledge bomb on me I'll research what they said and see if it has validity. But right now I'm limited to "you know how many toxins are out there!"

FWIW I think a huge difference exists between what you talk about in terms of clean water and alkalizing vegetables and the lay persons supplement based detox diet wonder. Many of the "master cleanse, super flush, etc" seem to be carrying some pretty significant side effects and I don't think it's wrong to wonder if people are doing more harm than good. Again, from what I've read I've yet to see scientific evidence that our bodies are loaded with toxins we can't purge on our own and that we need to take drastic steps or else we're screwed. I can't educate myself into finding scientific studies that say this yet :)
 
Geoforce said:
I make a habit of taking an open mind into any discussion. I've changed my mind often throughout the iron game on many former truths: I need meals every few hours, need casein protein before bed, need lots of carbs post-workout, etc. Honestly if something doesn't interest me I don't educate myself on it that much. I have no desire to be a detox expert and from the looks of this thread so far few people in it are either. What I've read about detox stuff so far I haven't been convinced. Most of the testimony seems to come from supplement sellers that I've seen.

I educate myself largely by looking for studies on things. Anecdotal evidence is ok for some things, but for a detox diet probably not so much IMO. As best as I've seen so far few studies exist. I'm not waiting on someone to change my mind, if no one does then no one does and I'll feel the exact same way I always did about them. The stuff I mentioned earlier people on forums or through my own reading changed my mind. I'm not going to search for a ton of reasons why detox diets are necessary and so far I can't find studies that say they do. If someone drops a knowledge bomb on me I'll research what they said and see if it has validity. But right now I'm limited to "you know how many toxins are out there!"

FWIW I think a huge difference exists between what you talk about in terms of clean water and alkalizing vegetables and the lay persons supplement based detox diet wonder. Many of the "master cleanse, super flush, etc" seem to be carrying some pretty significant side effects and I don't think it's wrong to wonder if people are doing more harm than good. Again, from what I've read I've yet to see scientific evidence that our bodies are loaded with toxins we can't purge on our own and that we need to take drastic steps or else we're screwed. I can't educate myself into finding scientific studies that say this yet :)
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Just as I suspected.....



We are on the exact same page after all. lol I should have clarified from the start that these mainstream detoxes SUCK, but a healthy, natural, cleansing/detox may be of use to many of us. Just due to the changes in our diets, micro/macro environments justifies this alone in my opinion. From the acidity in water, to carbonation and processed food we are really ramping up the potential for inflammation and acidosis to occur internally. Not to say the body cannot handle this properly over time, but it definitely leads to an increase in chronic diseases which has become overwhelmingly apparent over the last few decades.

So while I agree with you that there may not be very much concrete evidence on the bodies inability to properly maintain pH in the midst of the increased exposure to toxins, I do feel the chronic disease increase alone should raise some sort of red flag. You're stance on open mindedness is very similar to my own, so reps for that. Didnt mean to come off like a know-it all before, but I've almost started to anticipate people's ignorance towards the amount of absolute garbage we put into our systems on a daily basis.
 
Going back to what I said earlier. Drink water. Lot's of water. Only water. For an extended period of time. All of this=successful fast. Keep it simple op. Those new trend things are a waste of cash.
 
alot of great replies, i was mainly reffering to basic protocols not so much "detoxing", wrong choice of words, i actually have been doing a ton of water along with my multi and greens, i dropped whey powder and added more whole food....
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Just as I suspected.....



We are on the exact same page after all. lol I should have clarified from the start that these mainstream detoxes SUCK, but a healthy, natural, cleansing/detox may be of use to many of us. Just due to the changes in our diets, micro/macro environments justifies this alone in my opinion. From the acidity in water, to carbonation and processed food we are really ramping up the potential for inflammation and acidosis to occur internally. Not to say the body cannot handle this properly over time, but it definitely leads to an increase in chronic diseases which has become overwhelmingly apparent over the last few decades.

So while I agree with you that there may not be very much concrete evidence on the bodies inability to properly maintain pH in the midst of the increased exposure to toxins, I do feel the chronic disease increase alone should raise some sort of red flag. You're stance on open mindedness is very similar to my own, so reps for that. Didnt mean to come off like a know-it all before, but I've almost started to anticipate people's ignorance towards the amount of absolute garbage we put into our systems on a daily basis.
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I didn't think you were coming off like a know it all by any means, I was just trying to explain my thought process a bit better. ]

Most of what we "know" is probably going to end up being wrong anyways. The truths of old eras are now falsehoods in many lines of thinking from basic science to economics to politics etc. Most of what our elders "knew" ended up being false and it's stupid to assume we won't end up being false on a lot of things as well. I already mentioned all the old "truths" I'd accepted that ended up being wrong anyways.

Knowing this it's next to pointless to ever assume we are 100% correct in any type of scientific debate or as muscleheads with anything as complicated as our bodies. I think the worst thing anyone could ever do is assume they have tons of correct answers when it comes to supplements, exercise, or something like detox. We have to keep in mind our elders had all the answers as well :)
 
Good question. Wondering about the same thing. I will be going vegan for a week or two. There's also the green pepper and water detox. Detox pruduct suck.
 
murk01 said:
Good question. Wondering about the same thing. I will be going vegan for a week or two. There's also the green pepper and water detox. Detox pruduct suck.
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i added lemon to my water and cayenne
 
Just like much of this industry, the "detox" idea is based on something that seems to make logical sense when it is explained, but doesn't actually hold up against scientific scrutiny. Almost all detox protocols just involve sweating and ****ting. Unless you're constipated or are about to get a colonoscopy, don't bother.

Live "healthy"? Go for it, even though the health industry is filled with scare tactics like everything else. Living a "healthy" lifestyle does not necessarily mean cutting out things that are not actually dangerous like artificial sweeteners, GMOs, whatever other BS someone told you causes cancer. Eat a diet with good macronutrient composition, eat real foods when possible, exercise, love your family, get a hobby, quit drinking, and you will be living a healthy lifestyle.


fightbackhxc said:
Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
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This is a terrible argument for "detoxing." Autism is at an "all time high" because we are just beginning to understand it and diagnose it -- we don't simply call autistic children "retards" and forget about the rest. To think autism is caused by environmental factors is crazy. Cancer's a fun one, too. Sure, smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer as do a very select few lifestyle activities. Excepting a few things like tobacco use that have more than just a loose correlation with cancer (ie. eating red meat doesn't cause cancer just because people that enjoy red meat get cancer more often), the increase in cancer diagnoses is again improved diagnostic techniques and understanding. There was a time when people simply died...nowadays we actually can figure out why. Perhaps even more importantly, we now have the ability to keep people from dying every time they get the flu, etc. making it more likely that they make it to the time in life when cancer can get them.

Again...go ahead and live a healthy lifestyle, hedge your bets. Don't waste your time and money on bull****, though.
 
Geoforce said:
I didn't think you were coming off like a know it all by any means, I was just trying to explain my thought process a bit better. ]

Most of what we "know" is probably going to end up being wrong anyways. The truths of old eras are now falsehoods in many lines of thinking from basic science to economics to politics etc. Most of what our elders "knew" ended up being false and it's stupid to assume we won't end up being false on a lot of things as well. I already mentioned all the old "truths" I'd accepted that ended up being wrong anyways.

Knowing this it's next to pointless to ever assume we are 100% correct in any type of scientific debate or as muscleheads with anything as complicated as our bodies. I think the worst thing anyone could ever do is assume they have tons of correct answers when it comes to supplements, exercise, or something like detox. We have to keep in mind our elders had all the answers as well :)
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So true. One of my favorite classes in undergrad was philosophy of science, we read books by Kuhn and learned how science inevitably leads to anomalies while evolving within the confines of its own paradigms. So to ever think we possess infallible knowledge is simply ignorant, agreed. It was often my professors that would admit they did not know something, that seemed to impress me the most, along with those that were willing to be corrected or hear a student out with a different perspective.

However, I do believe many of the laws, principles, basic findings of today's age will be much less proven wrong, but perhaps built upon. Call it wishful thinking ;)
 
DaveGabe24 said:
So true. One of my favorite classes in undergrad was philosophy of science, we read books by Kuhn and learned how science inevitably leads to anomalies while evolving within the confines of its own paradigms. So to ever think we possess infallible knowledge is simply ignorant, agreed. It was often my professors that would admit they did not know something, that seemed to impress me the most, along with those that were willing to be corrected or hear a student out with a different perspective.

However, I do believe many of the laws, principles, basic findings of today's age will be much less proven wrong, but perhaps built upon. Call it wishful thinking ;)
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To your last point I agree. As we continue to build upon our knowledge base in theory we should be getting less wrong. Also agree on the professors, in this day and age everyone thinks they are an expert on everything. Often I'm most impresseople say "we just don't know or we just can't be certain."
 
Geoforce said:
Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"
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That was snarky of me, I apologize. I agree with a lot of the statements made about a "healthy lifestyle" per se as a way to avoid toxins. I'm not sold on the need for detoxing per se, just that I've been through a couple of them and it is disturbing that there is enough crud in my body to make me completely ill even just attempting to get rid of them.

IMO, unless you have a chronic issue that lifestyle adjustments don't fix, then don't detox...unless you're the adventurous type:sasmokin:
 
Geoforce said:
I'm not going to attempt to refute the "amount of toxins higher" but where is the proof that any of these diets make you healthier? We don't have any medical studies that I know of that prove detox diets work or are even necessary. Sky rocketing disease rates? We LIVE longer than at any other time in history. Of course some of these rates are higher, we aren't dying at age 40 anymore. And I'd love to see a study where detox diets have anything to do with autism.

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"Our bodies are remarkable systems that filter out toxins on an ongoing basis. The organs responsible for detoxification are the liver, lungs, kidneys, and skin. When nutrients and other substances first enter the body the first place they go is the liver, which filters out and eliminates harmful toxins such as drugs and alcohol. Additionally, the kidneys filter out wastes by creating urine for excretion. The skin allows us to sweat out toxins, and the lungs allow us to filter the air that we breathe.

Since our bodies are primarily water--around 70%--it makes sense that staying hydrated through drinking adequate amounts of water also helps us stay healthy. However, to date there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that water flushes out toxins."

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And that was with a 2 second google search. At the very least I'd say the "need" is quite debatable. Some of the detox diets seem much harder on the system than clean eating would be! You could be right, but I think either side assuming 100% victory here is a bit disingenuous.
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The posters arguments were not with trendy detox diets. He said in general detox was stupid. There are several ways to help ur body detox such as staying hydrated having a good diet and utlizing saunas etc. I'm opposed to these trendy things as well but a lot of detox science coming out has a ton of merit. Little things we can do everyday makes a big difference. Using all organic products and staying away from typical household chemicals, detergents, cosmetics etc.
 
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