Unanswered What's the best form of creatine?

stimtron said:
My life savings to a company who makes liquids for all sports sups that's stable and tastes great.

Would you recommend any powders?
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Right now I'm using primaforce creatine monohydrate from discount retailer. Real cheap and effective.
 
I use kre-alkalyn. It’s not any better and has been proven to not be stronger vs monohydrate. It’s just easier on my stomach and dissolves better.
 
DGator86 said:
I use kre-alkalyn. It’s not any better and has been proven to not be stronger vs monohydrate. It’s just easier on my stomach and dissolves better.
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I definitely want something as close to instanized as possible. If it dissolves better that's a plus as long as it's as stable.
 
stimtron said:
I definitely want something as close to instanized as possible. If it dissolves better that's a plus as long as it's as stable.
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I've never used any creatine that would do that. I have heard of creatine serum, but that seems like an expensive gimmick. I believe every form of creatine is going to have some mild grain or residue in water. It is an amino acid after all.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I've never used any creatine that would do that. I have heard of creatine serum, but that seems like an expensive gimmick. I believe every form of creatine is going to have some mild grain or residue in water. It is an amino acid after all.
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No one's made a nano creatine yet? I feel like 2019 we should have a nano form out by now. If it's micronized and water soluble I'm sure I'll manage.
 
stimtron said:
No one's made a nano creatine yet? I feel like 2019 we should have a nano form out by now. If it's micronized and water soluble I'm sure I'll manage.
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Plenty of cheap micronized creatine mono out there. I just add to my pre workout, and if I forget to do that, I scoop in a glass, add a little water, mix quick, and gulp it down quick.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I've never used any creatine that would do that. I have heard of creatine serum, but that seems like an expensive gimmick. I believe every form of creatine is going to have some mild grain or residue in water. It is an amino acid after all.
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No one's made a nano creatine yet? I feel like 2019 we should have a nano form out by now. If it's micronized and water soluble I'm sure I'll manage.
ValiantThor08 said:
Plenty of cheap micronized creatine mono out there. I just add to my pre workout, and if I forget to do that, I scoop in a glass, add a little water, mix quick, and gulp it down quick.
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Ordered. I should have never stopped taking this I've seen nothing but benefits from all the studies.
 
You’ve mentioned stability a few times here. What do you mean by that? Anyway, monohydrate is definitely the preferred form. If solubility is a concern, HCl and nitrate should have improved solubility. No reason to believe any form would absorb better than others though.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
You’ve mentioned stability a few times here. What do you mean by that? Anyway, monohydrate is definitely the preferred form. If solubility is a concern, HCl and nitrate should have improved solubility. No reason to believe any form would absorb better than others though.
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I've heard some salt may be better than hcl. Haven't looked into it.
 
stimtron said:
I've heard some salt may be better than hcl. Haven't looked into it.
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Better how? Dozens of new forms claim to have superior absorption. But monohydrate absorbs over 90% for most people. So is improved absorption even consequential?
 
To understand what the best form is you have to understand how creatine works in the body to begin with.

Creatine is extremely important in the body, it’s your primary source of fuel for short fast events, though often neglected. Creatine Kinase (CK) is responsible for converting free floating creatine (Cr) in to phosphocreatine (PCr). Fast twitch muscles contain large reserves of PCr and CK as the primary source of energy for these muscles is the pathway PCr to P+CR. This allows for ADP to convert to ATP via combination of the free floating P cleaved off the PCr during activity. This is a two way pathway meaning PCr and P+Cr freely enterchange between the two. In times of low exercise or recovery, CK isoenzymes catalyze the dual reversible transfer of the γ-phosphate group of ATP to the various groups of Cr to yield ADP and PCr. This allows the body to replenish PCr levels when necessary such as after a sprint or explosive nonevent.

Given the little bit of knowledge there it’s foolish to think that one form of Cr will be better than another. One may absorbed faster in to the blood but once it enters the blood it will be converted in to freefloating Cr until it’s shuttled to a cell and bound to a Phosphate ion.

A loading phase of 15g a day for 1 week has been shown to drastically increase serum Cr levels.
 
Good ole SNS Creatine HCL! Or for cheap quality monohydrate SNS Creatine Mono will do the trick!
 
Jeremyk1 said:
Better how? Dozens of new forms claim to have superior absorption. But monohydrate absorbs over 90% for most people. So is improved absorption even consequential?
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Here's one form that is supposed to be the most potent of all.

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I would always reccommend SNS Creatine Mono for sheer quality/price, but for convenience, look into SNS Creatine HCL (its in caps)... caps make it super easy to just throw back and no need for flavor
 
stimtron said:
That's not all it does.

It does so at doses lower than any form of creatine. You would need mg's not grams.
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You’d still need grams of it if you were doing anything high power and explosive. If you’re running 1 100m race then maybe not but if you run 4 or 5 or you’re doing more than 1 rep on squats etc, then you need grams of it because you need the PCr in the muscles and blood for fast uptake and the ability to hold on to that Phosphate ion for you to convert to energy.
 
Creatine nitrate should not be sole source of creatine for anyone.
 
stimtron said:
No one's made a nano creatine yet? I feel like 2019 we should have a nano form out by now. If it's micronized and water soluble I'm sure I'll manage.
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You're way overthinking this and you can't just put nano in front of something to try and make it sound high tech. Buy creatine monohydrate. It's cheap, mixes easy, and has been repeatedly shown to work. Spend time and money on other things.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I've never used any creatine that would do that. I have heard of creatine serum, but that seems like an expensive gimmick. I believe every form of creatine is going to have some mild grain or residue in water. It is an amino acid after all.
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I remember a creatine serum around maybe like 20 years ago. It was red and possibly raspberry flavored. You're correct it's just a gimmick.
 
stimtron said:
Here's one form that is supposed to be the most potent of all.
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is on pubmed - abstract only. would like to see funding. all italy based, maybe they add d-aspartic acid to make it super creatine! i kid, i kid.

micronized mono in coffee - good enough for mr will brink, good enough for you! -smiley face-
 
I want to try 20g a day for two weeks, which brand won't clog up my stomach with constipation. Had severe constipation trying this a few months ago.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You're way overthinking this and you can't just put nano in front of something to try and make it sound high tech. Buy creatine monohydrate. It's cheap, mixes easy, and has been repeatedly shown to work. Spend time and money on other things.
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Someone can't tell when I'm obviously joking.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Well the good news is now you've told us the context of your text and we know you were joking. The bad news is this "joke" isn't the most science illiterate thing you've posted.
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Cite your proof. Personally I think you're a complete idiot. Everything I've posted in regards to studies if factually backed. Unlike you I actually have my M.D. What do you have a GED? lol.
 
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stimtron said:
Cite your proof. Personally I think you're a complete idiot. Everything I've posted in regards to studies if factually backed. Unlike you I actually have my M.D. What do you have a GED? lol.
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Well that was unnecessary. Aleksandar is very intelligent, anyway. And having an M.D. probably doesn’t give as much credibility as it should. There are some stupid doctors out there.
 
stimtron said:
Cite your proof. Personally I think you're a complete idiot. Everything I've posted in regards to studies if factually backed. Unlike you I actually have my M.D. What do you have a GED? lol.
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I have a BS in Molecular Biology, a PhD in neuroscience, and I'm a medical director for a company that consults for pharma companies. My degrees are actually real as opposed to your imaginary troll degrees. Unless you're lying to everyone here, post your credentials. Where did you study? What field are you in? I guarantee you're a complete fraud.
 
stimtron said:
Ideally liquid something I can take fast preworkout.
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Mix monohydrate into warm liquid = liquid creatine. Anything else is unproven BS, and or, proven to be sub par to CM, regardless of the marketing nonsense. More info, see my Invalid Link Removed
 
Will Brink said:
Mix monohydrate into warm liquid = liquid creatine. Anything else is unproven BS, and or, proven to be sub par to CM, regardless of the marketing nonsense. More info, see my Invalid Link Removed
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Nice article Will, I have seen your stuff over the years. Welcome to AM
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I have a BS in Molecular Biology, a PhD in neuroscience, and I'm a medical director for a company that consults for pharma companies. My degrees are actually real as opposed to your imaginary troll degrees. Unless you're lying to everyone here, post your credentials. Where did you study? What field are you in? I guarantee you're a complete fraud.
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Well this is getting interesting...
 
Having a BS in exercise science (no masters cause **** college), years of training athletes and about a dozen certifications under my belt I can and will say that creatine monohydrate is the most widely used and proven form. I’d rather take mono than take my chances with another form that’s 3x as expensive and possibly only slightly better. It all gets used the same way. That’s why I only recommend mono to the athletes I train if they ask about it.
 
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