What to stack with Test E?

[Trento]

Hey all,

I'm planning a 12-week cycle of Test E @ 250 mg/week. I know, this is far less than most people use, but this is only my second cycle, and my first cycle that's actually planned out. I plan on adding LR3 IGF-1 @ 20 mg ED and 10 iu Novolog (don't worry, I'm very experienced with insulin) immediately PWO for the first 8 weeks. Working out 6 days a week, each body part twice, with rest on Sunday.

I know that people often stack a much faster-acting AAS (than Test E) to "kick-start" a cycle, and would be interested what suggestions the forum has for that second AAS. I've had liver complications on meds before (prescribed meds, but ones that have common liver side effects), but always see my values return to normal after I disco. Thus, I believe I've got a pansy (hypersensitive) liver, and for this reason would like to go the injectable route. I'd be open to orals, though, for the first 4 weeks of cycle.

I also had considered adding injectable Masteron the last 4 weeks of the cycle (build mass first 8 weeks, then harden that mass out last month, before ending cycle). Would this be advisable?

Any input is appreciated!

 

[Rodja]

Wait, you'll use peptides and slin, but won't use a solid dose of test? How does that make sense?

 

[Trento]

Wait, you'll use peptides and slin, but won't use a solid dose of test? How does that make sense?

Well, I care about my gonads. Recommendations on Test E dosage go back and forth. What exactly would you consider a "solid" dose?

 

[Rodja]

500mg. 250mg/week isn't that much greater than a standard TRT dose. Using slin is far more dangerous than using 500mg of Test for 12 weeks.

 

[Trento]

500mg. 250mg/week isn't that much greater than a standard TRT dose. Using slin is far more dangerous than using 500mg of Test for 12 weeks.

I'd consider doing 500 mg/week. By slin being dangerous, I take it you're refering to hypoglycemia? I work as a diabetes educator, and am very familiar with insulin protocols and preventing hypoglycemia. I keep a glucagon pen on hand and have a buddy (wife) monitor me for 4 hours post-injection.

I agree with you that insulin can be very dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it.

I appreciate the input. I'll go home and see if I can double my Test E order. Would you have any suggestions for the "kick-starter?"

Hey, I just noticed you're in San Marcos. San Antonio here. How are things in the valley?

 

[lennoxchi]

kick start with var, tbol for lean mass

dbol, adrol for bulk mass

dbol and adrol will most likely be harder on your liver than var or tbol but if it's only 4 weeks you should be fine, run liver supports of course.

 

[Rodja]

I'd consider doing 500 mg/week. By slin being dangerous, I take it you're refering to hypoglycemia? I work as a diabetes educator, and am very familiar with insulin protocols and preventing hypoglycemia. I keep a glucagon pen on hand and have a buddy (wife) monitor me for 4 hours post-injection.

I agree with you that insulin can be very dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it.

I appreciate the input. I'll go home and see if I can double my Test E order. Would you have any suggestions for the "kick-starter?"

Hey, I just noticed you're in San Marcos. San Antonio here. How are things in the valley?

I'm north of where you're at; technically, you're closer to the valley than I am.

Just stick with some dbol to start it off.

 

[Trento]

I'm north of where you're at; technically, you're closer to the valley than I am.

Just stick with some dbol to start it off.

D'oh! Sorry, for living here 25 years, I should know where the towns are. I guess my brain took a vacation.

Sounds like dbol is the way to go. Is it less hepatotoxic than anavar? Would this dosing sound good the first 4 weeks (50/50/100/100)?

Thanks for the input guys. I hope to gain a good 15 lbs solid this cycle, but I make most ectomorphs look fat, so we'll have to see. I need all the help I can get! :wink1:

 

[Rodja]

Var is amongst the least toxic orals, but is pricey. A good dose for dbol is 40-50mg a day. No real need to go higher than that.

 

[Trento]

Var is amongst the least toxic orals, but is pricey. A good dose for dbol is 40-50mg a day. No real need to go higher than that.

Thanks again, man. Repped you.

 

[Trento]

One last thing (sorry to keep bothering): Would you recommend the Mast at the end of the cycle? I don't know if it would be brilliant and harden my gains before they have a chance to melt away or just cause further catabolism.

 

[Rodja]

One last thing (sorry to keep bothering): Would you recommend the Mast at the end of the cycle? I don't know if it would be brilliant and harden my gains before they have a chance to melt away or just cause further catabolism.

Unless you're competing, it really doesn't make sense.