Smont
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Your telling ppl to research and dont half ass it but a few posts back your spewing nonsense like a test base prevents shutdown. And talking about how your on 4 liver aids for a sarm cycle. Take your own advice
What sarms?
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Old Witch
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I’ll leave it at this: lgd and ostarine are the two beginner sarms, quite effective, suitable for beginners. No other sarms are for beginners, not rad, not yk, not s4. All sarms are suppressive.
The absolute minimum effective dose of those sarms in my opinion is 25mg lgd and 45mg osta, stacked. Doing any less would be a waste of both time and money. The absolute minimum run time is 12 weeks, or else again, just wasting time and money. They don’t even hardly kick in for the first month really, so a month to six weeks waiting and two to four weeks actually enhanced makes absolutely no sense in any logical way. And also since we want our pituitary to take less hits not more, shorter cycles of anything that isn’t a methylated aas aren’t even a smart idea to begin with.
The absolute minimum effective dose of those sarms in my opinion is 25mg lgd and 45mg osta, stacked. Doing any less would be a waste of both time and money. The absolute minimum run time is 12 weeks, or else again, just wasting time and money. They don’t even hardly kick in for the first month really, so a month to six weeks waiting and two to four weeks actually enhanced makes absolutely no sense in any logical way. And also since we want our pituitary to take less hits not more, shorter cycles of anything that isn’t a methylated aas aren’t even a smart idea to begin with.
Cgkone
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Oh well good then we agree. I thought you were hinting at they didn't suppress you at all. I'm pretty sure that if something is suppressive, if taken at a high enough dose for a long enough period of time you will be shut down. Lots of us view suppression and shutdown is pretty much the same thing, suppression is just a precursor to being shut down.
Cgkone
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I disagree I think lots of people have ran doses lower than that and had some decent gains.
Cgkone
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Niiiicccceee!!!
For the record bro I'm not trying to attack you or anything like that just sometimes these threads get some weird information pumped out there.
Old Witch
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Some decent gains, perhaps some. Sure. I’d agree with that. But I mean the “for sure this is happening” type of gain you get from running test e at 500mg as a first cycle. Maybe not as much weight. But man, I haven’t had pectoral insertions in years and years now and they started growing back in fast as hell. Dmz didn’t do that. Msten didn’t do that. Anavar didn’t do that. Andros didn’t do that. Laxo and epicat most certainly didn’t do that. And lower doses of the same sarms also didn’t do that. So I have to attribute it to the stack and dosage. When I say it reminded me of running test I was totally not joking. To me that’s the minimum effect sought after, so this is the minimum effective dose capable of providing that effect.
Hell I just got into it on YouTube comments with a fellow who said they did nothing at all. I can’t abide that. They certainly will.
Anyway I know you’re not attacking me man. I’m just trying to make my point abundantly clear, and I forget how easily beginners might read only what they want to see.
Old Witch
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Well to be honest I’m actually functioning better post stack so far than I was for years. It’s only been a few days since I came off, so like I said, we will see in a few weeks. I don’t expect a sharp downturn, but if there is, that’s the signal. Remember also I’m a freak who bounced straight back from four years of solid and extensive anabolic abuse as if it never happened.
Cgkone
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That's just it. There are always the outliers that ate different.
Back in the day nobody ran PCT
Old Witch
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Doctors will tell you it’s (pct) unnecessary to restart the hpta. THe body will come back on its own they will say. But obviously that doesn’t address keeping gains, lowering cort and estrogen, etc. and also future cycles. If you do it hard way, the next time will be harder, and harder, and harder to come back. Which is also why that same doctor will say just stay on if you’re going to be on and be off if you’re going to be off and don’t go on again. So apparently they think you should just b&c for years and then pct off and quit entirely. I don’t necessarily agree with that but it does show the differences in thought between a typical endocrinologist and a bodybuilder.
Cgkone
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If you go in with zero test they most likely give you TRT. Unless you tell them you used steroids and want to try and get back to normal, Kaiser will give a SERM if you tell them you don't want TRT.
Old Witch
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Oh yes definitely. In fact that kind of makes getting on trt easy for us. Or you guys... sigh. I still am bouncing back too fast hahaha I’ve been on **** all year long! This is the first I’ve fully come off of everything everything since my birthday last February when I decided to get back on the horse and finally ride it to that finish line I had been so so close to a decade ago.
What I mean though is if you just ask them about it, steroid usage and pct etc. that’s what they’ll likely say. Or something to that effect. Only some will actually understand what drugs are taken and how it’s done, and how effective it can be for an athlete to preserve his body mass and correct his hormones quickly to avoid further stress on the gonads.
Borashi
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Actually. Im running Epiandro as my test base to prevent lethargy. How is that wrong? Since I had to end my last cycle, 4 weeks early do to not running a test base. But. Hey. Keep judging me, my balls still normal size 6 weeks into my cycle. Libido strong, shooting huge loads, and I'm making gains. I must be doing something right?
Old Witch
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Well, yeah. You’re taking DHT, you’ll still feel good and pretty much function even if test is at zero. Possibly even function fantastically. Wait til you come off, and yeah maybe six weeks is a short enough time frame that you’re not noticeably suppressed. Maybe not. Blood work will tell once you come off.
I’m not judging you man, I just see a slight deviation in understanding of how this works. Also, epiandro is a good choice to go with sarms because it’s really well tolerated by most guys hpta, so it shouldn’t add a stressor more powerful than the other drugs themselves the way actual test or 4AD would. Til you hit that superdrol part. That stuff shut a lot of guys down but good.
Anyway, keep on doing, brother.
Smont
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Nothing you just said here is wrong. Earlier you were telling ppl a test base prevents shutdown, it absolutely does not. It keeps you from feeling shutdown. U keep twisting words to make yourself seem right
HardCore1
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You beat me to it. This is what I do 2 or 3 times per year.
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douganddalyn
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Not to sidetrack too much, but it's my understanding that no studies exist on YK11 except those done on tissues. No animal studies, obviously no human studies. This is what's kept my YK untouched in its wrappings as I scour for as much info, anecdotal or otherwise, as I can obtain. Thoughts?
Renew1
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1). Put yk11 into the search feature on this site. Read users results.
2). Start a new thread... "What were your yk11 experiences?"
HooliganNoire
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damn...I just ordered a couple bottles of rad...