What products would you like to see us make?

thebigt said:
hey, you going to add any test boosters and stims to your new line up? the stims out right now are pretty weak.
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Yes, there will be some of each. There are some pretty strong stims out now, but problem is that in some cases people arent sure wtf is really in the products lol
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Yes, there will be some of each. There are some pretty strong stims out now, but problem is that in some cases people arent sure wtf is really in the products lol
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the problem i have is the so called strong ones out now are 1,3,dime based, and i don't get anything from it. stuff like jacked doesn't do squat for me-i have to take 4-5 scoops to feel it.
 
thebigt said:
the problem i have is the so called strong ones out now are 1,3,dime based, and i don't get anything from it. stuff like jacked doesn't do squat for me-i have to take 4-5 scoops to feel it.
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I would die it I took that.

Do you like Glucoronolactone? I love that stuff.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I would die it I took that.

Do you like Glucoronolactone? I love that stuff.
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much better than 1,3,dime, lol. hell i even bought bulk 1,3,dime and did maybe 5 big doses and barely felt it. i react well to stims just not that ingredient.:thinking:
 
thebigt said:
much better than 1,3,dime, lol. hell i even bought bulk 1,3,dime and did maybe 5 big doses and barely felt it. i react well to stims just not that ingredient.:thinking:
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I am glad that someone is putting out some basic glucuronolactone capsules in the near future. :) (And no, its not us)
 
How about a fat burner that's not just a rehash of all the mostly ineffective products already out there. Any interest in T2? I know it's an actual thyroid hormone, but it's legal and doesn't seem to be on the FDA's radar. If incorporated in a synergistic formulae of other effective ingredients it could be very effective.


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would like to see products that have less ingredients, but more mgs of the ingredients that are in the product, and no prop blends if possible. For instance, a test booster that has fadoggia, divanil, and that is it, maybe an ai, 3 ingredients, properly dosed. A problem I see with many products is too many ingredients are included, some of which are dubious as to their effectiveness, and this causes the better ingredients to be underdosed and the product less effective.

Case in point, Mass FX, the original was a pretty good supp, and it had 2 or 3 ingredients (I could be wrong about the actual number), the next version had 6 or 7 and the product was not nearly as good. I understand synergy, but then make 2 products meant to be stacked that are both good, rather than one crappy product that is severely underdosed. Sorry for the rant/negative attitude, definitely not intended towards CEL, just hoping and looking forward to the nha's.
 
isoc said:
would like to see products that have less ingredients, but more mgs of the ingredients that are in the product, and no prop blends if possible. For instance, a test booster that has fadoggia, divanil, and that is it, maybe an ai, 3 ingredients, properly dosed. A problem I see with many products is too many ingredients are included, some of which are dubious as to their effectiveness, and this causes the better ingredients to be underdosed and the product less effective.

Case in point, Mass FX, the original was a pretty good supp, and it had 2 or 3 ingredients (I could be wrong about the actual number), the next version had 6 or 7 and the product was not nearly as good. I understand synergy, but then make 2 products meant to be stacked that are both good, rather than one crappy product that is severely underdosed. Sorry for the rant/negative attitude, definitely not intended towards CEL, just hoping and looking forward to the nha's.
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you hit the nail on the head. i agree. repped
 
crowbar46 said:
How about a fat burner that's not just a rehash of all the mostly ineffective products already out there. Any interest in T2? I know it's an actual thyroid hormone, but it's legal and doesn't seem to be on the FDA's radar. If incorporated in a synergistic formulae of other effective ingredients it could be very effective.


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I apologize, I am not well versed in T2. Are there any products that it is currently being used in? And is there a different name?

I could certainly look into it.

isoc said:
would like to see products that have less ingredients, but more mgs of the ingredients that are in the product, and no prop blends if possible. For instance, a test booster that has fadoggia, divanil, and that is it, maybe an ai, 3 ingredients, properly dosed. A problem I see with many products is too many ingredients are included, some of which are dubious as to their effectiveness, and this causes the better ingredients to be underdosed and the product less effective.
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I understand the need for propietary blends in some cases, but we will try to stay away from them in most formulas.

The thing with prop blends though is that alot of times as you know, they are used to mask companies putting low levels of active ingredients in products. However, they make good sales pitches. On the other hand, if a company did a high dosed Divanil and Fadogia combo, the product would be so expensive that no one would buy it.

We will be offering the best products that we can at the best prices that we will be able to.
 
It's in Lipo 6 Black, I'm not sure about others. Biotest used to sell a pure version without other added items (I believe) years ago--it was very popular. They pulled it themselves because they were afraid the FDA might take notice, though they never did. Here are the two main isomers, I'm not sure if one is more effective than the other:

3'3 Diiodo-L-thyronine
3'5 Diiodo-L-thyronine

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crowbar46 said:
It's in Lipo 6 Black, I'm not sure about others. Biotest used to sell a pure version without other added items (I believe) years ago--it was very popular. They pulled it themselves because they were afraid the FDA might take notice, though they never did. Here are the two main isomers, I'm not sure if one is more effective than the other:

3'3 Diiodo-L-thyronine
3'5 Diiodo-L-thyronine

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Okay, I am slightly familiar with those, but was familiar with the technical names, not the way you first referred to them.

They are hard to source, but we have actually been thinking of using them in a future product.
 
look at MAN's primal male, it has fadoggia at recommended dosage of 1500mgs/day, and a bunch of other stuff and it is priced very well, around $30. My suggestion would be to lose all that other stuff increase the fadoggia content a little and add in divanil, but I also dont know the cost of raws, so I do trust you, then how about stand alone fadoggia and divanil? Sometimes tforce disappears for a while.

Also, creatine nitrate stand alone, have taken cbol and is good product, does really induce good pumps and vascualrity, but would rather just have a cheaper creatine nitrate and take with seperate mono than the other two creatines included. And a seperate creatine mono, creapure item. The creatine magnesium chelate has some studies and some following, but crea mono is still best overall.

Also, XFactor clone, aa is a pretty proven ingredient but companies have too little thrown in prop blends, another stand alone product where customer could get 1-1.5 grams of aa per day would be great.

How about an ecdy product, ebol is a good product, but again could do without the other things in the product and concentrate on the 3 ecdy compounds in there, rc extract, the ajuga extract and the 25r. Or even just go with full spectrum rc and ajuga extract and dose each higher than what is in the ebol. I think with recommended dosing the 3 ecdy total 450mgs, which is close to the 500 mgs per day most ecdy users advocate. So their product is not underdosed, but by losing the ional, gensing, etc. the product would be more focused on ecdy and standard dosing could increase, as this compound seems to be both extract (rc over cv and ajuga is also very good) and dose dependent. Everyones good buddy Ross has a new omnibolic which is supposedly 250 mgs/cap rc extract for good price, but sometimes difficult to trust the products.

I know most of the above are probably long shots as stand alone products are not flashy, or big money makers as they dont lend themselves to fancy, long winded write ups, but I think they would be more effective for the consumer as we would get proven ingredients at appropriate dosages and they would be extremely stackable.
 
isoc said:
look at MAN's primal male, it has fadoggia at recommended dosage of 1500mgs/day, and a bunch of other stuff and it is priced very well, around $30. My suggestion would be to lose all that other stuff increase the fadoggia content a little and add in divanil, but I also dont know the cost of raws, so I do trust you, then how about stand alone fadoggia and divanil? Sometimes tforce disappears for a while.

Also, creatine nitrate stand alone, have taken cbol and is good product, does really induce good pumps and vascualrity, but would rather just have a cheaper creatine nitrate and take with seperate mono than the other two creatines included. And a seperate creatine mono, creapure item. The creatine magnesium chelate has some studies and some following, but crea mono is still best overall.

Also, XFactor clone, aa is a pretty proven ingredient but companies have too little thrown in prop blends, another stand alone product where customer could get 1-1.5 grams of aa per day would be great.

How about an ecdy product, ebol is a good product, but again could do without the other things in the product and concentrate on the 3 ecdy compounds in there, rc extract, the ajuga extract and the 25r. Or even just go with full spectrum rc and ajuga extract and dose each higher than what is in the ebol. I think with recommended dosing the 3 ecdy total 450mgs, which is close to the 500 mgs per day most ecdy users advocate. So their product is not underdosed, but by losing the ional, gensing, etc. the product would be more focused on ecdy and standard dosing could increase, as this compound seems to be both extract (rc over cv and ajuga is also very good) and dose dependent. Everyones good buddy Ross has a new omnibolic which is supposedly 250 mgs/cap rc extract for good price, but sometimes difficult to trust the products.

I know most of the above are probably long shots as stand alone products are not flashy, or big money makers as they dont lend themselves to fancy, long winded write ups, but I think they would be more effective for the consumer as we would get proven ingredients at appropriate dosages and they would be extremely stackable.
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A properly dosed Fadogia and Divanil product would sell for prob 50 bucks for a month supply. Not sure that people would pay that.

Creatine Nitrate is something you may seen in a future product by us. We arent so much into the single ingredient items, that is more of SNS's thing. They have their Magnesium Creatine Chelate caps which are great, and it is my understanding they are doing a creatine mono.

You have to license AA from Molecular, so he isnt going to allow a direct competitor to X-Factor. Again, another great idea but its not doable.

Your single ingredient items are indeed very valid. I think they just fit in more with SNS's line that ours. But feel free to keep the ideas coming.
 
I understand on the x factor and single ingredient, but $50 for a month of properly dosed divanil and fadoggia, I am assuming 2-3 grams per day fadoggia and 1.2-1.6 per day divannil is a nice deal, but again not only do I not know raw costs, I am also not really a business man either to know what price points work and dont.

How about the ecdy product, full specturm rc and ajuga extract, again probably looking at a higher price point, I think ebol is in the $40-$50 range, but the ecdy portion could be dosed higher for yours since the other adaptagens would be left out.

A number of people have been asking LG for their Y free psarm product, apparently in early trials the osthole and hibiscus performed pretty good, but for some reason the combination with the yohimbine in final product caused a lot of stomach problems, or at least I think from what I read it was the yohimbine.

Thanks for listening to my rants and am looking forward to what you guys will be bringing out.
 
isoc said:
I understand on the x factor and single ingredient, but $50 for a month of properly dosed divanil and fadoggia, I am assuming 2-3 grams per day fadoggia and 1.2-1.6 per day divannil is a nice deal, but again not only do I not know raw costs, I am also not really a business man either to know what price points work and dont.

How about the ecdy product, full specturm rc and ajuga extract, again probably looking at a higher price point, I think ebol is in the $40-$50 range, but the ecdy portion could be dosed higher for yours since the other adaptagens would be left out.

A number of people have been asking LG for their Y free psarm product, apparently in early trials the osthole and hibiscus performed pretty good, but for some reason the combination with the yohimbine in final product caused a lot of stomach problems, or at least I think from what I read it was the yohimbine.

Thanks for listening to my rants and am looking forward to what you guys will be bringing out.
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Agreed, never could get over the discomfort.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Okay, I am slightly familiar with those, but was familiar with the technical names, not the way you first referred to them.

They are hard to source, but we have actually been thinking of using them in a future product.
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Iforce just releases a product called tt-33 with those compounds in them.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
We have been looking at incorporating a 90% Osthole into a couple different product ideas.
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sounds good, have you looked into white ginger extract? I know ginger extract supposedly can raise test, but the amount needed to do it I think is pretty high, and there are a couple other proven compounds (fadoggia, and divannil) which do a good job at increasing test and free test. White ginger supposedly acts more directly with the androgen receptor itself.
 
isoc said:
sounds good, have you looked into white ginger extract? I know ginger extract supposedly can raise test, but the amount needed to do it I think is pretty high, and there are a couple other proven compounds (fadoggia, and divannil) which do a good job at increasing test and free test. White ginger supposedly acts more directly with the androgen receptor itself.
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Havent looked into that. Is there a specific extract or standardization of the extract?
 
I'd like to see a libido product from CEL. I'm having problems with that right now and 4g of Trib T isn't doing squat. It's not ED, I just don't want to.
 
ThunderPlat said:
I'd like to see a libido product from CEL. I'm having problems with that right now and 4g of Trib T isn't doing squat. It's not ED, I just don't want to.
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Our Topical formestane is excellent for libido. Run it at 100 mg per day and see what happens.

My libido gets interestingly/annoyingly high while on Topical Formestane.
 
ThunderPlat said:
I'd like to see a libido product from CEL. I'm having problems with that right now and 4g of Trib T isn't doing squat. It's not ED, I just don't want to.
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PCT assist users have reporter a definite increase in libido also....check out some of the solo PCT Assist logs at BB:)
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Not gona happen because of the issue with 6-bromo converting to another active which is not legal, nor in my opinion desirable for PCT.

Thanks for the suggestion though, all ideas are appreciated.
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I dont understand how that works..... all the 1-dhea thats out there converts to 1-ad...or 1-test both are illegal. And I wasnt looking for 6-bromo for PCT....Its amazing solo and in my opinion doesnt convert enough to rate a pct.
 
kjkriston said:
I dont understand how that works..... all the 1-dhea thats out there converts to 1-ad...or 1-test both are illegal. And I wasnt looking for 6-bromo for PCT....Its amazing solo and in my opinion doesnt convert enough to rate a pct.
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My understanding was that that 1-dhea converts in the body. With 6-bromo it can degrade in the bottle and change.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
My understanding was that that 1-dhea converts in the body. With 6-bromo it can degrade in the bottle and change.
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I had not heard that. In that case I can see the issue. Is that really true though? Might be worth looking into....6-bromo has a huge customer base from what I have gathered.
 
kjkriston said:
I had not heard that. In that case I can see the issue. Is that really true though? Might be worth looking into....6-bromo has a huge customer base from what I have gathered.
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I have heard that from way too many companies/manufacturing/testing places to be willing to take a chance with it. Its not worth the risk.
 
I'm gonna bet this has been covered in this thread already...
...but even if it has, SESAMIN is worth mentioning again :D
 
celc5 said:
I'm gonna bet this has been covered in this thread already...
...but even if it has, SESAMIN is worth mentioning again :D
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Really? I havent seen alot of people really requesting or using this in a long time. If you think one would be viable, I would be glad to look into it.
 
Axis had a sesamin product a year or 2 ago. At the time, I wasn't aware as to whether it was popular or not. But now that it's not avialable, I get pms that ask about whether it will ever be bringing it back.

Also, sesamin is an ingredient in our Hemodraulix supplement. Just about all of the testers report some fat loss after a week or 2... metroba and I suspect that the sesamin is what's leading to the fat loss. Obviously, the sesamin is not the feature ingredient in that product though, it's more of a pump supp.

SAN has a sesamin product, but I never see it mentioned much on the boards that I frequent. It's possible that it's more popular than I know of though???

I'm just thinking of non-stim fatburners because someone was asking about how to supplement when on a cutting cycle.
 
How about a natty booster like:

550 mg (Tribulus Terrestris Extract (aerial parts) Standardized for Minimum 80% Total Saponins, Minimum 60% Total Furostanol Saponins, and Minimum 40% Protodioscin, ActivAli™ Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack) (root) (Standardized for 28% bioactive Glycopeptide compound) *
Testofen® Fenugreek Extract 200 mg (Trigonella Foenum Greacum) (Standardized for minimum 50% Fenuside™ (100 mg).

I bolded the Protodioscin because this is what actually increases your hormone levels. Here is a lab result on some known trib products: .power-zone.com/tribuluslarge.htm

The amount of protodioscin is hardly the level it should be except for one but I wouldnt pay $100 for that product. The procuct I pasted the ingredients off of works... Ive used it and gained 9lbs in 4 weeks off of it! I just dont like paying $60 for it. Especially when pro-steroids were available for $20!

Here is a study they did on the product:
.prosource.net/content/articles/Articles-by-ProSource/new-landmark-clinical-study-proves-extraordinary-test-boosting-powerrotest.aspx

And info on Testofen:
.testofen.com/

I know trib has a horrible rep for the most part but the combo of 3 I guess has a synergistic effect. Tomorrow I can post b4 and after pics if needed. I'm just way too tired to do it now. UFC 109 was sick! :)

Sorry guys copy and paste :nervous:
 
celc5 said:
Axis had a sesamin product a year or 2 ago. At the time, I wasn't aware as to whether it was popular or not. But now that it's not avialable, I get pms that ask about whether it will ever be bringing it back.

Also, sesamin is an ingredient in our Hemodraulix supplement. Just about all of the testers report some fat loss after a week or 2... metroba and I suspect that the sesamin is what's leading to the fat loss. Obviously, the sesamin is not the feature ingredient in that product though, it's more of a pump supp.

SAN has a sesamin product, but I never see it mentioned much on the boards that I frequent. It's possible that it's more popular than I know of though???

I'm just thinking of non-stim fatburners because someone was asking about how to supplement when on a cutting cycle.
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I will look into it. I know Scivation has a Sesamin as well.

I do think that there needs to be more non stim effective fat loss products.

Bigwill21 said:
How about a natty booster like:

550 mg (Tribulus Terrestris Extract (aerial parts) Standardized for Minimum 80% Total Saponins, Minimum 60% Total Furostanol Saponins, and Minimum 40% Protodioscin, ActivAli™ Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack) (root) (Standardized for 28% bioactive Glycopeptide compound) *
Testofen® Fenugreek Extract 200 mg (Trigonella Foenum Greacum) (Standardized for minimum 50% Fenuside™ (100 mg).

I bolded the Protodioscin because this is what actually increases your hormone levels. Here is a lab result on some known trib products: .power-zone.com/tribuluslarge.htm

The amount of protodioscin is hardly the level it should be except for one but I wouldnt pay $100 for that product. The procuct I pasted the ingredients off of works... Ive used it and gained 9lbs in 4 weeks off of it! I just dont like paying $60 for it. Especially when pro-steroids were available for $20!

Here is a study they did on the product:
.prosource.net/content/articles/Articles-by-ProSource/new-landmark-clinical-study-proves-extraordinary-test-boosting-powerrotest.aspx

And info on Testofen:
.testofen.com/

I know trib has a horrible rep for the most part but the combo of 3 I guess has a synergistic effect. Tomorrow I can post b4 and after pics if needed. I'm just way too tired to do it now. UFC 109 was sick! :)

Sorry guys copy and paste :nervous:
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Our PCT Assist is already a really good option for a natrual test booster, but we are also looking into doing another natural test booster.
 
Adrenosterone in a transdermal (and systematic) carrier.

11-OXO is cost prohibitive for most (at the higher end dosing range,which is needed for optimal results).

Per the figures I've seen WRT bioavailability,12-15 caps of 11-OXO (or a clone thereof) works out at most 125mg of the active when applied transdermally.

This would drive production costs way down,allowing for a much cheaper product,making for a win-win for CEL and consumers.

CompEdgeLabs said:
I wanted to get some ideas from people as to what they products they would like to see from us over the next couple months.

We are open to making other hormonal items as well as we will be introducing a full line up of non-hormonal items.
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CompEdgeLabs said:
I will look into it. I know Scivation has a Sesamin as well.

I do think that there needs to be more non stim effective fat loss products.



Our PCT Assist is already a really good option for a natrual test booster, but we are also looking into doing another natural test booster.
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I agree that PCT Assist is, but I think the product I mentioned would stack unbelievably with it. I am actually gonna try that in the future. Starting the 22nd i am starting my spring cut with said Test Booster, Suppress C and ATD. Ive used Supp C in the past in PCT and loved it!

As far as non-stim fat loss boosters, have you looked into Svetol? Svetol.com has all the studies on it. It is a decaffinated green coffee that has a lot of published studies on it. Stacking that maybe with L-dopa.

Colin said:
Adrenosterone in a transdermal (and systematic) carrier.

11-OXO is cost prohibitive for most (at the higher end dosing range,which is needed for optimal results).

Per the figures I've seen WRT bioavailability,12-15 caps of 11-OXO (or a clone thereof) works out at most 125mg of the active when applied transdermally.

This would drive production costs way down,allowing for a much cheaper product,making for a win-win for CEL and consumers.
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They are going non=hormonal completely now.
 
Colin said:
Adrenosterone in a transdermal (and systematic) carrier.

11-OXO is cost prohibitive for most (at the higher end dosing range,which is needed for optimal results).

Per the figures I've seen WRT bioavailability,12-15 caps of 11-OXO (or a clone thereof) works out at most 125mg of the active when applied transdermally.

This would drive production costs way down,allowing for a much cheaper product,making for a win-win for CEL and consumers.
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That is a valid idea, and something I have given some thought to. I am just not sure that my boss will let us move on an idea that is topical and a ph/ph related. IT's on my wishlist though.

Bigwill21 said:
I agree that PCT Assist is, but I think the product I mentioned would stack unbelievably with it. I am actually gonna try that in the future. Starting the 22nd i am starting my spring cut with said Test Booster, Suppress C and ATD. Ive used Supp C in the past in PCT and loved it!

As far as non-stim fat loss boosters, have you looked into Svetol? Svetol.com has all the studies on it. It is a decaffinated green coffee that has a lot of published studies on it. Stacking that maybe with L-dopa.



They are going non=hormonal completely now.
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I looked up the product you just mentioned, but thats not what I had in mind really. I appreciate the suggestion though.
 
First off, Nice work on the new line...awesome


1)methyl stenbolone (i see a few have suggested this, Having tried IDS mass tabs, this stuff works....assuming IDS really put TRUE methyl sten in those)
2)methyl-primobolan precursor (prob too similar to methyl sten?
3) 6 methyl primobolan acetate for us with damaged livers)
Also, how about a tren/progestin derivative...like
4)1,6 di-methyl trenbolone acetate. or "1,6 methyl x-tren acetate" ?
5)6,17 Di-methyl 5aa This one would be great
6) 1,6 di-methy Dihydro boldenone acteate...not liver toxic like M1T but hopfully similar effect...or would that be similar to methyl sten and 6-methyl primo? Basically a "bold 200" clone but with 1,6 methyl attachment. If the 1 ene prevents a 1 methyl attachment, than a 6 methyl would still be interesting, similar to Di-methyl test (bolasterone).
7)***If a bolasterone precurser (6,17 di-methyl testosterone) This would be great. is do-able then that would be great, but with 4ad banned I guess its not possible? or can you clever chemists come up with a way to use our liver and gut enzymes to "create" a testosterone molecule from a legal "inert" parent molecule? ore even a 6,7 di-methyl boldenone aka 6 methyl Dbol/1-4ADD
8) would a modification to the 11 position to any of these molecules have an anti cortisol effect?
9) I saw this once in a previous post MENT precursor, or a methyl-MENT (Cheque Drops) precursor would be unbelievable, but probably scary toxic. ALthough a non methylated "X-Tren" molecule with a 7-Methyl and a BHP-Cyclodextrine sublingual delivery may be a monster, I know that MENT is absorbed at 3 times the rate of methyl test in some studies ....Thoughts??
10 Last but not least a 17methyl 5AA with a 11 ene? similar to trenbolone, but with a DHT precursor rather than a progestin like Deca etc


From a previos post:
17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine

Its dymethazine but without the 2a-methyl, and according to Vida (page 90) it possess 300% anabolic activity and 20% androgenic activity than Methyltestosterone when administered orally (in Vida DMZ is only 210%, 95% QUOTE]
 
McBain2 said:
First off, Nice work on the new line...awesome


1)methyl stenbolone (i see a few have suggested this, Having tried IDS mass tabs, this stuff works....assuming IDS really put TRUE methyl sten in those)
2)methyl-primobolan precursor (prob too similar to methyl sten?
3) 6 methyl primobolan acetate for us with damaged livers)
Also, how about a tren/progestin derivative...like
4)1,6 di-methyl trenbolone acetate. or "1,6 methyl x-tren acetate" ?
5)6,17 Di-methyl 5aa This one would be great
6) 1,6 di-methy Dihydro boldenone acteate...not liver toxic like M1T but hopfully similar effect...or would that be similar to methyl sten and 6-methyl primo? Basically a "bold 200" clone but with 1,6 methyl attachment. If the 1 ene prevents a 1 methyl attachment, than a 6 methyl would still be interesting, similar to Di-methyl test (bolasterone).
7)***If a bolasterone precurser (6,17 di-methyl testosterone) This would be great. is do-able then that would be great, but with 4ad banned I guess its not possible? or can you clever chemists come up with a way to use our liver and gut enzymes to "create" a testosterone molecule from a legal "inert" parent molecule? ore even a 6,7 di-methyl boldenone aka 6 methyl Dbol/1-4ADD
8) would a modification to the 11 position to any of these molecules have an anti cortisol effect?
9) I saw this once in a previous post MENT precursor, or a methyl-MENT (Cheque Drops) precursor would be unbelievable, but probably scary toxic. ALthough a non methylated "X-Tren" molecule with a 7-Methyl and a BHP-Cyclodextrine sublingual delivery may be a monster, I know that MENT is absorbed at 3 times the rate of methyl test in some studies ....Thoughts??
10 Last but not least a 17methyl 5AA with a 10 ene? similar to trenbolone, but with a DHT precursor rather than a progestin like Deca etc


From a previos post:
17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine

Its dymethazine but without the 2a-methyl, and according to Vida (page 90) it possess 300% anabolic activity and 20% androgenic activity than Methyltestosterone when administered orally (in Vida DMZ is only 210%, 95% QUOTE]
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This post makes me sad more than anything, just because there are 10 great ideas that wont be used cause CEL isnt doing hormones anymore.... :sad:

The possibilities...
 
Bigwill21 said:
I agree that PCT Assist is, but I think the product I mentioned would stack unbelievably with it. I am actually gonna try that in the future. Starting the 22nd i am starting my spring cut with said Test Booster, Suppress C and ATD. Ive used Supp C in the past in PCT and loved it!

As far as non-stim fat loss boosters, have you looked into Svetol? Svetol.com has all the studies on it. It is a decaffinated green coffee that has a lot of published studies on it. Stacking that maybe with L-dopa.



They are going non=hormonal completely now.
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theres already a product with 500mg l-dopa and 200mg svetol per serving. its like 30 days worth at 2 servings per day for 25 bucks
 
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