What products would you like to see us make?
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Porty
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So they did a little raiding. I don't see what the big deal is. I realize at first people are going to be wary of investing R&D, production, advertisement, etc, just to have it confiscated, but AFAIK the ban list hasn't grown and this stuff still isn't exactly illegal, right? For that matter, I don't really understand how the raid on BB was even legal. At any rate, I guess I'm just optimistic that things will settle down at least a little. IE, it would be crazy to say people won't try to keep making and selling stuff that makes them money!
CompEdgeLabs
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If you think that people will continue to make these items, I strongly encourage you to do more research on what is going on.
thebigt
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one look at new head of fda and you will know how serious things are. wow-talk about flashback to wizard of oz!!!
Broly
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I guess that after these new raids done by FDA (I guess they are the ones that are making these raids) a hole new bunch of third generation of DS and PH will appear, since there is a big demand for this kind of products by the consumers and it is a great opportunity to many companies to make profit with them.
With this said and trying not to get to much away from the main question of this thread, I wish I could see some intirely new products from CEL, such as new kind of prohormones or designers never made before instead of clones from another prohormones and designers that already exist. For instace perhaps a kind of prohormone of Anavar, a diol version of 1,4AD, and new cutting edge stuff like that :thumbsup:
Just keep your low prices, products quality (although I haven't any experience with any of your products, but at least I've never heard any complains about your products) and when this raids stop bring us new, hot and sexy stuff for us (including me of course) to try them on
With this said and trying not to get to much away from the main question of this thread, I wish I could see some intirely new products from CEL, such as new kind of prohormones or designers never made before instead of clones from another prohormones and designers that already exist. For instace perhaps a kind of prohormone of Anavar, a diol version of 1,4AD, and new cutting edge stuff like that :thumbsup:
Just keep your low prices, products quality (although I haven't any experience with any of your products, but at least I've never heard any complains about your products) and when this raids stop bring us new, hot and sexy stuff for us (including me of course) to try them on
Porty
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Would you mind explaining your perspective please?
From what I've gathered, the FDA started raiding some companies for a very small and specific set of substances that are not only the more powerful (and, arguably, dangerous) stuff, but have been around for a while and are clones of previously banned products. Are legislation, policies, restrictions, etc, changing now? I read something about a blanket statement saying "all these products are steroids, and therefore bad," but we all already knew that. That still doesn't give them the legal right to arrest someone for owning, for instance, a bottle of Havoc does it?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all, just curious and in need of some enlightenment, please. Until you posted (being a vendor rep), I was under the impression that all this was *somewhat* mob paranoia.
CompEdgeLabs
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You are obviously unaware that there was a senate hearing last week on ph compounds in which future protocol was discussed.
No one is saying that you would be arrested for owning a bottle of anything, but they can not allow it to be sold anymore. And yes, if they schedule it, then yes, you theoretically could get in trouble for owning it.
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Broly
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Agree 100%. We must not forget that exogenous DHEA is greatly coneverted into estrogen, and then you'll have the hepatoxicity from being and 17a methyl.
Perhaps intead of look to the hormones themselfs we should look at their derivatives such pheromones and play with them the same way they played to create Pheraplex (a.k.a DMT/Madol) and 3AD (a blend of modified pheromones and non modified that exert androgenic efects when taken oraly) from our own pheromones.
AML
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Dianabol is also greatly converted into estrogen. This is one of the main reasons it is so effective. I think if 17amethylDHEA was taken with an effective aromatase inhibiter the possibility of too much estrogen would be greatly reduced. As for the hepatoxicity of being a 17amethyl practically all 17amethyls have some degree of hepatoxicity so I do not see this being different in that effect. As for Pheraplex it is also a 17amethyl. I think 17amethylDHEA would be a good product for a bulk. Also I do not believe DHEA will be banned.
Broly
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But Dianabol exerts also a high anabolic effect also becuse of its direct interaction with the androgen receptor, and to help the already strong effect it also converts greatly into estrogen, this way it is a great bulker. A 17a methyl DHEA, even if taken with a AI, has another problem: DHEA itself has many metabolites, not that it isn't a good thing, just that it would have to be high dosed in order for us to get an effective amount of it converted into testosterone (like when the dose 4AD correspond to a less amount of testosterone due to conversion processes, the same would happen with 17a methylDHEA and we are talking about even more conversion processes then the simple 4AD -> testosterone conversion), wich I don't have a clue if the dose needed is safe enough to be taken since we are now talking about a 17a methyl. Although your idea isn't bad at all it may be not cost/safe/effective.
When I refered Pheraplex, it wasn't in a way that it is safe because I thought it wasn't a methylated compound, but rather because it is a pheromone wich a slight alteration as a methylation turned it into a great product, so if that can be achived by methylation why not by another alteration that makes it safer yet strong?
celc5
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This is a legit point. At the same, these are the same questions we have about all new compounds and IMO is understood anytime we discuss a hypothetical compound.
Broly
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That's why I sugest the use of compounds that are either effictive by themselfs or that only need one path to convert into a certain hormone, this way the cost is always better, because we don't need to buy more than a botle of a product to run a cycle of it to see it's magic (as EQ-Plex has that problem, we need to buy always more than one botle to see the product do it's magic, not that it's bad just take a while and a higher dose than what is advised, wich makes it a expensive product although safe and effective). And there's also the seller point of view, if they produce a good product from cheap base chemical it will become a good thing to bet, since low cost base chemical combined with high pontency, effectiveness and quality will always make clients. That's why I mentioned pheromones, since they have an anabolic potential yet to be explored wich makes easier to come with a totaly new product with all the characteristics I mentioned before. There's also the creation of new prohormones, and AAS relatives (as in AAS slightly chemicaly changed, the enough to be legal and keep the original one's efficiency, in order to don't happen with furazadrol and prostanzolol which are much weaker than the original ones, who weren't for start among the most powerfull compounds).
CompEdgeLabs
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Its not that we arent open to it, it was a matter of being able to source them and know proper dosing, etc.
Now though, it is a matter of seeing what the gov't is going to do in relation to all these types of compounds before we would look into even the possibility of anything else like this.
thebigt
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i think the fda's asss got bigger than their pants, this might just come back to haunt them.
CompEdgeLabs
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No, I dont. I think that this one will be the one that sticks. I think that the M-Drol, P-Plex, and X-Tren compounds will be gone first with the rest of the available ph's soon to follow.
monsterranger
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trienbolone or halotestin PH (j/k...well not really)
CompEdgeLabs
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Ph's technically havent been banned yet, although they are certainly going to be. For us, we will not be making anymore ourselves.
ATD, as well as other anti-estrogens, and possibly anything hormonal except for DHEA may go away as well. Even if they dont, I dont understand what would be the benefit of methylating ATD. Methylation is usually done to help improve absorption of certain compounds, and I am not aware of their being any absorption issue with ATD.
JBerto
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Yes, but methylation can transform this AI (ATD) into an anabolic compound (mATD) with AI effects, so maybe it could be a legal alternative to actual PH.
I've read mATD would be a weak anabolic (in the line of bold, maybe?), but that's better to nothing, isn't it?
thebigt
Legend
you ever tried td atd? produces much better results, imo. still like inhibit-e though, works good.
JBerto
Active member
No, i don't tried td atd, but the problem isn't about absorption, the point is that adding a methyl to atd can transform that AI into an anabolic compound (with AI effects too).
thebigt
Legend
berto that sounds crazy good man. but the reason for my interest in td atd was an article a guy posted about short half life of atd, by using td delivery it would be more effective over a much longer time span.
monstermash
Well-known member
is ATD DHT based?
thebigt
Legend
that's a good question.
JBerto
Active member
No. ATD isn't 5a-reduced.
JBerto
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BTW, ATD is 3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene = 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione = androst-1,4,6-trien-3,17-dione
There's a similar compound listed in Vida's book with some anabolic activity (when injectable). Look at the compound number S-106, page 138
And methylation usually rise the anabolic/androgenic effects of a compound, so maybe mATD could be an interesting compound at least.
There's a similar compound listed in Vida's book with some anabolic activity (when injectable). Look at the compound number S-106, page 138
And methylation usually rise the anabolic/androgenic effects of a compound, so maybe mATD could be an interesting compound at least.
thebigt
Legend
you have done your homework, if bryan wasn't concerned about ai's being included in fda list i think he would take a closer look at this.
CompEdgeLabs
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I will look into the possibility of sourcing. BUT you also have to remember that LG had some ATD seized, so there is a very real possibility that it will be pulled off the market as well. If that is the case, it would be pointless to pursue that option.
Not a fan of TD ATD myself. I think the same affect can be accomplished by spacing dosages out throughout day correctly.
We are not going to be doing any future ph runs. We will have our full non-hormone line available very soon.
CompEdgeLabs
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There will be a Methyl 1 Alpha clone and one more at the same time, then thats it. The only reason for those is that they were lined up for production when everything happened.
After this, it's all non hormonal items.
CompEdgeLabs
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You should see it start popping up for sale within the next 2 weeks and we will do an intro thread on it here.
CompEdgeLabs
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Jan and Feb most likely.
thebigt
Legend
can't wait to see what you come up with.
monstermash
Well-known member
Interested in this as well.
Hey Jberto you know and/or remember anything about that M1P that LG was suppossed to come out with? It was suppossed to be a good stacker for M1A.
monstermash
Well-known member
Also how about a ghrp2 product? I really like LG's
lyfespan
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and didnt catch what second "and one more at the same tyme" wuz? What else besides the M1A?
