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I've tried both (HDrol and Oxandrolone (by Balkan)), and i get better gains with HDrol (and HD its way cheaper)

Anyway, not everyone reacts equally to the same compound
 
A fully functional female robot, that is almost as good as the real thing and will do whatever one desires. That would be a good product.
 
JBerto said:
I've tried both (HDrol and Oxandrolone (by Balkan)), and i get better gains with HDrol (and HD its way cheaper)
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I was sort of thinking the same thing.... I suspect that hdrol would be just slightly more toxic, but I doubt we could prove that :think:
 
GotTest said:
Protodrol clone fo sho!
Methyl Sten...hmmmmm.
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The problem with methyl sten as I have stated alot of times is being able to have the raws test out for quality. You can have the same raws tested in 3 places and get 3 different results. No one seems to be able to agree on the testing methods.
 
But does hdrol poses the same properties to hepatic ketone production plus studies that show it? And provide the fat burning properties at 20-40 mg like anavar does?
From the lack of studies on it ill have to say... No
 
A legit ph of anavar if possible would rock the facking world, it is so hard to find legit var at an affordable price. I used legit var a long time ago and it is a miracle drug even at a low dose the high dosing is due to ****ty raws. Although who knows if it is even possible, var is so expensive im sure a ph wouldnt be much diff
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
The problem with methyl sten as I have stated alot of times is being able to have the raws test out for quality. You can have the same raws tested in 3 places and get 3 different results. No one seems to be able to agree on the testing methods.
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Ok -we'll just settle for the Tshirts for now:)
 
DerickVonD said:
A fully functional female robot, that is almost as good as the real thing and will do whatever one desires. That would be a good product.
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i'll take 2 of these, along with a couple of hoodies. my choice is a orastan-a clone. i've had good results but found it very pricey to run for the right length of time at an effective dose. either i had to cut back on doses or cut cycle short, either one sucks. would love to be able to run a 6-8 week cycle at effective dose of orastan-a. mmv2 is 2nd choice-the new version by lg is not up to par, imo. i loved the old version of mmv2 but will not waste my time or money on the new one.
 
a 3AD clone would be VERY nice. Maybe leave out the Picamolin if you wish.

It's one of the better compounds to use in a stack with..as it is as mild and as strong as Bold..but doesn't kill the libido like Bold.

I would go as far as to say it's probably the BEST secondary product to stack with.

*Doesn't need to convert.

*Great for mass or cutting

*Mild

It goes well with anything..m-drol, p-plex..e-stane...ESPECIALLY e-stane. A E-Stane 3AD stack is unbeatable when it comes to gains v.s potential sides.

The problem that AX had was that they had it severely overpriced. It would have been way more popular if it was half the price, or even 35. 60 was waaaaaaaaay too much. If you take out the Picamolin, it is not far fetched to believe it can be sold for 30-35.
 
slow-mun said:
1.) A Promagnon-25 clone, dosed at 25mg, and bottled at 90 capsules.

2.) A OTC, proprietary blended, dopaminergic supplement to help control prolactin.

3.) A Methyl-Stenbolone clone. See below-
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i would like to see #2. this way..people can worry less about delayed gyno when using compounds like tren/epi.

brown
 
I have had a brief look through and not seen this suggestion so apologies if I missed it but your willing to produce clones of exisiting banned Designer AAS and prohormones so why not the real thing - an Oxandrolone (anavar) "clone" would be wonderful lol.

Current UG anavar is imo underdosed - I knew guys in the early mid 80's taking pharma grade and they needed less than half the dose that is currently required to get the same results. A "clone" with correct doseages would be unbelievably popular.
 
dav said:
I have had a brief look through and not seen this suggestion so apologies if I missed it but your willing to produce clones of exisiting banned Designer AAS and prohormones so why not the real thing - an Oxandrolone (anavar) "clone" would be wonderful lol.

Current UG anavar is imo underdosed - I knew guys in the early mid 80's taking pharma grade and they needed less than half the dose that is currently required to get the same results. A "clone" with correct doseages would be unbelievably popular.
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There is nothing that we make that is banned.
 
Sorry I am sure you know much more than I do on the technicalities, and maybe my use of the word banned was not the best phrase to use. I understand the "grey" area that exists to allow PH's and DS's and was genuinely trying to put an idea forward that I believe would be a very popular product either an anavar "copy" or a compound that is very similar, maybe Iam well off of the mark though? Hdrol is a precursor/prohormone to oral Turinabol and is very effective - would it be possible to produce the prohormone to Anavar??
 
Any chance you guys could source the raws to produce 'THE ONE'? its such a shame AN discontinued it, a clone would be great IMO
 
As mentioned above, an Anavar or Winstrol PH would be great. Something that would be great for cutting. Even a mixture of these 2 and maybe even a third.
 
Quite a while ago my friend- but AN have recently discontinued it.... the molecule is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine – 22.5mg
 
Random181 said:
Quite a while ago my friend- but AN have recently discontinued it.... the molecule is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine – 22.5mg
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Not talking about the product itself(im well aware of the product myself.:D), just the fact that AN discontinued it.:think:
 
dav said:
Sorry I am sure you know much more than I do on the technicalities, and maybe my use of the word banned was not the best phrase to use. I understand the "grey" area that exists to allow PH's and DS's and was genuinely trying to put an idea forward that I believe would be a very popular product either an anavar "copy" or a compound that is very similar, maybe Iam well off of the mark though? Hdrol is a precursor/prohormone to oral Turinabol and is very effective - would it be possible to produce the prohormone to Anavar??
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I am not sure that a ph to anavar technically exists.
 
mbAET

mbAET is very very similar to Triolex (Triolex is ehynyl-bAET and mbAET is methyl-bAET):

New steroid Triolex boosts immune system

The American HollisEden Pharmaceuticals is doing human tests on a new steroid that is distantly related to DHEA. Scientists at the San Diego based research company recently published an article in Autoimmunity Reviews. The researchers think that their new steroid, Triolex, does what DHEA should have done to the immune system: inhibit inflammatory reactions. Triolex may be a medicine that helps rheumatism and MS, and it may also be an effective anti-ageing drug. After all, when it comes down to it, ageing is a cascade of inflammatory reactions.

HollisEden is the company behind Neumune. Neumune is the same as 5-AD, a DHEA metabolite that used to be sold as a prohormone. The American army did tests with 5-AD in the hopes of finding a medicine that would protect Americans in case of a nuclear attack. This was part of the Bioshield project.

When Bush outlawed a number of steroid hormones in designer supplements in 2004, 5-AD was taken off the market. The supplements industry was not to be put off however, and that?s why the current designer supplements contain a series of 5-AD analogues with a hydroxyl or carbonyl group on the seventh carbon atom. These are mainly found in products that stimulate fat burning, according to the manufacturers? claims.

One of these steroid compounds is remarkably similar to Triolex: mBAET. But enough about designer supplements; back to the article in Autoimmunity Reviews.

The researchers write that DHEA has a positive effect on the immune system of mice: it inhibits diseases in which the body?s own immune cells turn against it. These are diseases like rheumatism, colitis and MS. However, researchers have not been able to demonstrate the same effects convincingly in humans. This is probably because mice, unlike humans, convert DHEA into 5-AD, the active ingredient in Neumune. HollisEden prefers to use the abbreviation AED, from the chemical name 5-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol.

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Of course, you could give humans AED, but you need very heavy doses. So heavy that the conversion of AED into male and female sex hormones becomes a problem. You can avoid this by choosing 5-AD analogues with a hydroxyl or carbonyl group on the seventh carbon atom. As, ehem, the supplements industry already did about eight years ago. These 7-substituted analogues cannot be converted into active androgens or estrogens.

The most effective compound that the researchers found at first was bAET, which is also an ingredient in supplements. The disadvantage, however, was that you needed huge amounts. In animal tests the HollisEden researchers injected doses of 120 mg per kg bodyweight per day.

That didn?t get anyone anywhere.

The most obvious solution is to add a methyl group to the molecule. And ehem, designer supplements manufacturers came up with this idea a few years ago already as well. To do this, in good supplement industry tradition, they ripped off an existing patent. A company like HollisEden can?t afford to do this. That?s why HollisEden decided to add not a methyl but an ethynyl group to the seventeenth carbon atom in bAET.

And thus: Triolex was born. Scientific name: 17alpha-ethynyl-5-androstene-3beta, 7beta, 17beta-triol. In cells, Triolex probably doesn?t react with a steroid receptor, but it does react with an as-yet unknown receptor on the cell membrane. As a result, the cell probably produces more of the inflammation inhibitor eicosanoid 15d-PGJ2, the researchers think. If Triolex does indeed do this, it could turn out to be a pretty interesting anti-ageing drug.

A hundred people were given Triolex in phase I and II trials. No side-effects were observed.
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And there are interesting studies about that compound:

TRIOLEX may represent a novel, first-in-class insulin sensitizer that Hollis-Eden believes acts by modulating inflammatory pathways. Recently announced interim data from the Company's on-going Phase I/II clinical trial with TRIOLEX demonstrate that the compound is safe and well tolerated to date, and that it significantly improved insulin sensitivity and lowered fasting blood glucose, insulin and triglyceride levels in obese insulin resistant subjects treated orally with the compound for 28 days when compared to placebo-treated subjects.
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JBerto said:
mbAET

mbAET is very very similar to Triolex (Triolex is ehynyl-bAET and mbAET is methyl-bAET):



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And there are interesting studies about that compound:



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mbaet was in the old retain formula IIRC. Honestly with BAET (B-triol) in Suppress C I don't really believe there is a market for methyl baet. From user feedback and my personally experience, favorability is with transdermal baet.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
mbaet was in the old retain formula IIRC. Honestly with BAET (B-triol) in Suppress C I don't really believe there is a market for methyl baet. From user feedback and my personally experience, favorability is with transdermal baet.
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i agree, suppress-c is very good.
 
My chemistry knowledge is very poor so you'll have to excuse my ignorance but technically it should be possible to "azine bond" Oxandrolone as Dymethazine is to Superdrol. If that is indeed a possibility it could be called Oxandrazine lol. I'd test it!!
 
I've heard some broski feedback on a mATD in the past. Any real deal feedback on this?

The mBeat v. btriol discussion got me thinking about that :think:
 
dav said:
My chemistry knowledge is very poor so you'll have to excuse my ignorance but technically it should be possible to "azine bond" Oxandrolone as Dymethazine is to Superdrol. If that is indeed a possibility it could be called Oxandrazine lol. I'd test it!!
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Yes, it's possible. You can add an azine bond to any hormonal with a 3-keto.

Oxandrolone hava a 3-keto, so Oxazine is a possibility.

And you can even make "hybrid" roids bonded by an azine bond, for example you could make a PH/DS like this:

Oxandrolone + azine + Turinabol
 
Jberto as said I 'd love to test an Oxandrolone hybrid or clone, still a very very popular AAS and from my extensive "anecdotal" evidence from friends who used Pharma grade back in the day there is something going on with today's UGL anavar as many users need 80-100mg per day to see noticable results which was not the experience of people I know who used pharma grade.

Good to know that it is theoretically possible to produce a product though, maybe a company will step up to the mark.
 
@CEL

just wanted to say i like your products; great company

but also, this is a damn great thread - it makes me day dream like a boy about "growing up" to be a scientist :) some really good ideas and posts in here, keep it up!
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I am not familiar. Care to elaborate?
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They are peptides designed to release HGH
a company make a product Nutrabolics HemoTropin 90 tablet the ghrp-2 ingredients are
(GHRP-2 [D-Ala-D-B-Nal-Ala-Trp-D-Phe-Lys-OCH3]
also check out this thread on it
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By the way l really like the Tren and P-mag combo from you guys l have just started my second bottle of each in my cycle.
 
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MC Gun said:
They are peptides designed to release HGH
a company make a product Nutrabolics HemoTropin 90 tablet the ghrp-2 ingredients are
(GHRP-2 [D-Ala-D-B-Nal-Ala-Trp-D-Phe-Lys-OCH3]
also check out this thread on it
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By the way l really like the Tren and P-mag combo from you guys l have just started my second bottle of each in my cycle.
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I will look into that thread.

Glad that you are liking the cycle.
 
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