What products would you like to see us make?

I still think a -diol version of the dienolone / X-Tren compounds would be sweet. Should be about 3x more potent mg for mg with no chance of pre-conversion aromatizing. Also if the proposed ban would ever take effect it'd still be quasi-legal.


Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol :hammer:



Also a Methyl Dienolone Diol would fall into the gray area :think:

17a-Methyl-Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol
 
Ziquor said:
I still think a -diol version of the dienolone / X-Tren compounds would be sweet. Should be about 3x more potent mg for mg with no chance of pre-conversion aromatizing. Also if the proposed ban would ever take effect it'd still be quasi-legal.


Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol :hammer:
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Yeah! that would be great!
 
Ziquor said:
I still think a -diol version of the dienolone / X-Tren compounds would be sweet. Should be about 3x more potent mg for mg with no chance of pre-conversion aromatizing. Also if the proposed ban would ever take effect it'd still be quasi-legal.


Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol :hammer:



Also a Methyl Dienolone Diol would fall into the gray area :think:

17a-Methyl-Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol
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Would 17a-Methyl-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol have effects comparable to trenbolone??
 
Ziquor said:
How about Cheque Drops in a PH diol form :)

7a,17a-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol
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I would kill for that!! :woohoo:


BTW, technically could be possible to make 7a,11b-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol (a PH to dimethandrolone)?
(I've read 11beta prevents aromatase from interacting with the compound and is less toxic than 17alpha)
 
JBerto said:
I would kill for that!! :woohoo:


BTW, technically could be possible to make 7a,11b-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol (a PH to dimethandrolone)?
(I've read 11beta prevents aromatase from interacting with the compound and is less toxic than 17alpha)
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I wouldn't be surprised if raws started to show up for such a best. I'm sure there's a little china-man somewhere concocting it.
 
it would be cool if you guys could make a 2-Androstenol clone. would you guys have to license that out from anabolic xtreme or matt cahill? or can you just make it and you dont have to license it out at all?
 
grila jujitsu said:
it would be cool if you guys could make a 2-Androstenol clone. would you guys have to license that out from anabolic xtreme or matt cahill? or can you just make it and you dont have to license it out at all?
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The 3AD product? There's already a company making a clone. I'm sure anyone can make un-methylated phera with the added ester but if AX had a patent approved, the exact formula with the same ingredients/doses couldn't be copied. Though the new clone out is the same 3AD formula with a little caffeine added :o

It seems with 'grey area' hormones, when companies try to seek patents it almost seems pointless. If companies do make clones I can't see the originator complaining to the gov't that another company copied their semi-legal steroid that's 'unapproved for consumption'.
 
I think it'd be cool to have a clone of just the 2-androstenol acetate in 3-ad. I don't care at all really about the other compounds in there.
 
Ziquor said:
The 3AD product? There's already a company making a clone. I'm sure anyone can make un-methylated phera with the added ester but if AX had a patent approved, the exact formula with the same ingredients/doses couldn't be copied. Though the new clone out is the same 3AD formula with a little caffeine added :o

It seems with 'grey area' hormones, when companies try to seek patents it almost seems pointless. If companies do make clones I can't see the originator complaining to the gov't that another company copied their semi-legal steroid that's 'unapproved for consumption'.
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thats exactly what i was thinking!

there is no clone of the new 3-ad. there is 1 is the 11oxo version
 
grila jujitsu said:
thats exactly what i was thinking!

there is no clone of the new 3-ad. there is 1 is the 11oxo version
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A near exact clone of 3AD (with added caffeine & tribulus) just came out for $29. It's called 3 Alpha Androsterone by Sports One - they came out with a handful of hormones just recently.

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving 725 MG
2-Androstenol Acetate Ester, Androsterone (3a-Hydroxy-5a-Androstan-17-One., Methyl Picamillon, Ethyl Propionyl L-Carnitine,
11-Alpha (11 alpha 2, OR-Hydroxyecdysterone 20%),
Anhydrous Caffeine USP, Tribulus Terrestris (Saponins 45%)
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3clipseGT said:
I think making it methylated would make it on the border of not legal although they are DSHEA compliant as of right now, the androsterones that is.

You could do a 7a-methyl 1,4androsterone and im pretty sure you would probly bypass the toxification of a 17aa.
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and i believe it will block aromatization.....?:think:
 
crazyfool405 said:
and i believe it will block aromatization.....?:think:
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Yea im not completely sure to be honest with you. Id really like to see more companies get wittier with the hormones and not just throw SD in a cap. I personaly would much rather run something like bold or halodrol and not super or phera. But thats just me, i like lean and mean, not puffy and bloated. :woohoo:
 
JBerto said:
I would kill for that!! :woohoo:


BTW, technically could be possible to make 7a,11b-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol (a PH to dimethandrolone)?
(I've read 11beta prevents aromatase from interacting with the compound and is less toxic than 17alpha)
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i believes it prevents binding to the AR in the prostate.... and the anything on C7 C4 blocks aromatization along with the C11
 
Ziquor said:
A near exact clone of 3AD (with added caffeine & tribulus) just came out for $29. It's called 3 Alpha Androsterone by Sports One - they came out with a handful of hormones just recently.
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u are right and i am wrong. i am sorry i doubted u sir. in all honesty i dont trust that company. i would trust cel if they made it, but Sports One i think not.
 
grila jujitsu said:
u are right and i am wrong. i am sorry i doubted u sir. in all honesty i dont trust that company. i would trust cel if they made it, but Sports One i think not.
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Woohoo, 1st time I was right in years :)

Agreed - the shear mass of companies making otc hormones makes me doubt many of them.
 
I think we all are looking for the same product from CEL:
- Great Muscle Mass Gains
- Easy on our livers
- No back pumps
- Very few side effects
- Reasonable Price

You make this and we'll all be devoted customers!
 
x 2 from me :)

mclucas said:
I think we all are looking for the same product from CEL:
- Great Muscle Mass Gains
- Easy on our livers
- No back pumps
- Very few side effects
- Reasonable Price

You make this and we'll all be devoted customers!
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crazyfool405 said:
what about methylating something on the first position. well anything that allows that,

definetly easier on the liver.
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I really don't see us custom formulating any hormonal compounds anytime soon as the obscure cost and work that goes into it typically leads to a high priced hormonal product which these days won't sell good with the high availability of cheap, effective hormone products.

Obviously educated, informed people like many of the fellow AM'ers here would go for such a product but we make up a very small percentage of the market. The other side, or huge majority unfortunately, are the uneducated people who don't research stuff but simply buy whatever cheap hormone their fellow teammate on their HS football team used to gain 10 pounds of mass :o
 
JBerto said:
The 1-ene version of Superdrol :)
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the "ene"s were the ergos and pheras sir, not superdrol.

Ergomax-LMG was both 1-ene and 2-ene (both isomers are aisomer and bisomer of 2-ene)

Phera was 100% 2-ene all aisomer

most of the phera clones are 2-ene but a ratio of the a and bisomer ususally still very much so in favor of the aisomer.... I think CEL does pretty well at matching it and exceeding the 10mg dose def takes care of it in case the ratio is a little low. But many think b-isomer means way less strong, whereas its still very strong but has more androgenic sides.

can you tell I am a phera nut????
 
poopypants said:
the "ene"s were the ergos and pheras sir, not superdrol.

Ergomax-LMG was both 1-ene and 2-ene (both isomers are aisomer and bisomer of 2-ene)

Phera was 100% 2-ene all aisomer

most of the phera clones are 2-ene but a ratio of the a and bisomer ususally still very much so in favor of the aisomer.... I think CEL does pretty well at matching it and exceeding the 10mg dose def takes care of it in case the ratio is a little low. But many think b-isomer means way less strong, whereas its still very strong but has more androgenic sides.

can you tell I am a phera nut????
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He may be talking about Superdrol with 1-ene added which is Methyl Stenbolone (what Mass Tabs 'claim' to contain).

But I'm well aware of your love for the Phera :) BTW our newer batches of P-Plex are now 10mg instead of the old 15mg capsules and are still 97%+ pure 2-ene - isomer A :D
 
grila jujitsu said:
u are right and i am wrong. i am sorry i doubted u sir. in all honesty i dont trust that company. i would trust cel if they made it, but Sports One i think not.
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:goodpost: and a no comment. (And thanks for the positive words for us, but I was agreeing with the other part)
 
I am checking on sourcing alot of the ideas from this thread. Some are doable, many are not.

Keep the ideas coming because we are definately paying attention.
 
I really don't see us custom formulating any hormonal compounds anytime soon as the obscure cost and work that goes into it typically leads to a high priced hormonal product which these days won't sell good with the high availability of cheap, effective hormone products.

Obviously educated, informed people like many of the fellow AM'ers here would go for such a product but we make up a very small percentage of the market. The other side, or huge majority unfortunately, are the uneducated people who don't research stuff but simply buy whatever cheap hormone their fellow teammate on their HS football team used to gain 10 pounds of mass
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DUDE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR US! YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE OBSCURE SUPPLEMENTS AS A POTENTIAL SALES FAILURE BECAUSE IF THEY WORK WE WILL PIMP THEM FOR YOU. :bb:

CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE DAT DANG OLE WORD O' MOUTH WHEN IT'S COMING FROM THE JACKED DUDE IN THE GYM.
 
LSU Gladiator said:
DUDE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR US! YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE OBSCURE SUPPLEMENTS AS A POTENTIAL SALES FAILURE BECAUSE IF THEY WORK WE WILL PIMP THEM FOR YOU. :bb:

CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE DAT DANG OLE WORD O' MOUTH WHEN IT'S COMING FROM THE JACKED DUDE IN THE GYM.
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Sweet, then tell all your friends about M-Drol. And if any have children, tell them!
 
Could be legal to make any "modified" version of methyl-hydroxynandrolone?

MOHN is 4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4ene-3-one but that is banned.

Would be possible to alter the formulation in some way to make it legal?
 
I think any legal form of 19nor-diols would be great.

4-hydroxy-19-Norandrost-4,9-diol
17a-methyl-19-Norandrost-4,9-Diene-3,17b-diol
7a,17a-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol
7a,11b-dimethyl-19-Norandrost-4-ene-3,17b-diol
 
JBerto said:
Could be legal to make any "modified" version of methyl-hydroxynandrolone?

MOHN is 4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4ene-3-one but that is banned.

Would be possible to alter the formulation in some way to make it legal?
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I'd love to see something similar to M4OHN as well. Highly anabolic, yet somewhat milder. I wonder what alterations would manifest if there was an extra double bond added. Typically this increases anabolism even further. So instead of being a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Nandrolone it would be a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Dienolone.


4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
 
grila jujitsu said:
which ones are doable? i really hope the furazadrol is doable!!!!!?
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I should have worded my one previous post differently. In reality nearly all of these are 'doable'. It's quite amazing the availability of even the most obscure anabolics available as resources.
 
Ziquor said:
I'd love to see something similar to M4OHN as well. Highly anabolic, yet somewhat milder. I wonder what alterations would manifest if there was an extra double bond added. Typically this increases anabolism even further. So instead of being a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Nandrolone it would be a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Dienolone.


4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
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I would love to see this happen!
 
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